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Just like goa trance died in 1998 when X-Dream released Radio

Virus does some things which Spire can't do. Virus TI2 has a full-blown wavetable section with some unique wavetable FX, global unison, cross-oscillator FM Also there are sonic differences, like Virus sounds bigger/fatter/darker, with much more midrange presence. You can make Spire sound like that with some extra processing if you know what Virus sounds like and what you should aim at, also you can pull off some Virus-like sounds from wavetable synths like Serum and Parawave Rapid, but Viurs is Virus. That "the distance" track (you know that track) was made with heavy use of Virus (and also Microbrute, so I think it's like 50% hardware, 50% software)

That was the same ratio of good to bad back in the 90's. People simply have rose-coloured glasses and think that the past was always better, and forget that they are cherry-picking their favorite tracks from an entire year of goa-psy that was "meh" quality. I can honestly propose 10-20 tracks from the entire 90's and then decide that the 90's were better... What is missing? Music. No one dares take a risk anymore. We have managed to recreate mainstream society within the rave scenes. We reward conformity, punish eccentricism, etc. Everything is about some Big-Assed-Mafia-Festivals and their copy-paste lineups that are all based upon obvious sycophantry and court intrigue. But what is mostly missing from ALLLLLLLLL of electronica? Music. People study "electronic music production techniques" and I'm pretty sure that there are University courses for this new field. What is missing? Music. Am I referring to Music Theory? No, although you WOULD think that it would be useful for our thousands upon thousands of producers to be able to communicate effectively with trained musicians. Am I obliquely implying that the trance musical public is musically ignorant (aka, went from Pop or Rock directly into Trance, and thus have never left shallow-cool-kid superficial musical concepts behind, which is why most people think of Skazi or Infected Mushroom when you say "guitars in trance"... what if Segovia or Sabicas were to be a trance producer?) Yes, I suppose that I am insinuating that we are an ignorant scene who gets what we deserve, LOL. What do we want to do about it? How many damned posts must I read in which someone seeks something that copies 90's music ("is there anything that sounds like X-Dream or Etnica etc?") The very idea of asking for copies of greatness ignores what made that music great in the first place: it's originality was certainly part of it. We are basically glorifying the idea that it's possible to a achieve a formula that isn't formulaic. Sorry mate! It doesn't work like that. Death to the formulas. See those funny black and white keys on that keyboard? Those are "notes". Despite the Biggest Names Ever insisting that technology has rendered "notes" redudant, I can assure you that not only are they ever-relevant, but that there is an order and structure to how these notes are connected to each other! This structure is obvious to any serious musician or MUSICAL composer who has studied their relationship. Believe it or not, any semi-competent musician or composer from NON-ELECTRONICA can tell in 1 second if you know what you are doing with those "notes" and the sad fact is, most producers are NOT even semi-competent at MUSIC, but they still proffer this idea of technology or a plugin being able to fix that. I hold out hope for the fusions achieved when actual musicians start playing with technology and making it a tool in service to music. What we currently have is music in service to technology. We need to up our musical game a bit.

Electric Universe is damn near as close to a Guilty Pleasure as I can think of. Boris is awesome

i still think Peak is his best track cause thats really kinda what he wanted to do with most of his tracks; and he defined it and boiled it down to the essence of his post-goa days with Peak. Ultra cheese and Ultra climax and Ultra Leads. i think that was his dream all along. and thats only half humor i actually really love this track btw we need radis input if we are gonna talk about boris blenn feels like we are talking behind his back and i dont like it

This just popped up in my Facebook Memories Feels prescient...

I remember those times. Hard to believe it was 15 years ago. Life has changed a lot. Hoping to come back a bit more often. Though I think I said that a few years ago too. Hope everyone is doing fine.

Silly me, I wrote a long discourse actually replying to the video that started this thread. I now realize that absolutely no one watched the video, and they merely turned this topic into another argument about which trance from when is the best. The video actually had a totally different and coherent point, but then folks who won't watch the video, considering it "clickbait" will be happy to expound on topics that are NOT in the video the OP posted.

I think it's a well-thought out proposal: a SONG (has a signature melody, the chord changes/modulations under it, the name itself implying ones ability to SING the signature melody, which I consider less important as I will describe) can be done in a Polka version, a Psytrance version, a Bossanova version. I'm sure you can picture "Happy Birthday" done in a million different ways, yet still retaining that signature melody. You will even EXPECT that a jazz version will alter the chord changes while still allowing the same melody to be contextualized over it! It's true that mere sound-design accompanied by "contemporary rhythms" (as you say) will not have any CONTENT to be recontextualized. Melodies are sequences of notes. Notes are ostensibly "pure tones" with a base root principle frequency, which is a lie, of course, as we understand that even a single note on the guitar string will have an entire correlated frequency system (harmonics/partials) related to a central main basic root frequency (tone), nevertheless, as all physical vibrations follow the physics of the harmonic series, regardless of medium, we will perceive a coherent "note". There's some debatable degree of cerebral processing involved beyond the physical mechanisms of the human ear and the frequency "bins" it can perceive activity in. (resonant single-frequency sensors) but one can expect some memory of patterns here, and so one may expect some characteristic and unique "sounds" to be readily identifiable, regardless of their musical content. You will recall that being able to recognize the roar of a predator likely precedes music, lol. Additionally, much as the sense of smell is pre-cognitive, there is also pre-cognitive auditory function, and I'll not go into this at this juncture. What are the limits of human-recollection of distinctive sounds and how does this compare as far as broader definitions of a melody? I'm going to go out on a limb here and also note that the vast bulk of dance music is a beat and bassline, whose primary purpose is to make physically impressive sound waves when projected over large sound systems, such that one feels suitably impressed and one feels like moving and dancing in response, as surely such an overwhelming force can be the equivalent of darkness in the discoteque, aka "normal" folks who would "normally" be embarrassed to dance and prance around do so with great abandon and alacrity. Rhythm and characteristic sequences of this are an equally viable conduit to memory, however. Our societies are biased against a rhythm-centric approach, but it's interesting to note that that 3/2 ratio is both a basic unit of cross-rhythm syncopation, and, when sped up, is the musical interval known as the 5th, which your fellow Greek, Pythagoras, is credited with noting in his studies of the tuned string and harmonics and musical intervals. Ask any Punjabi about the Bhangra rhythms and if one can remember them as distinct musical patterns of some kind. Or, those characteristic 60's and 70's funk soul motown etc drum-grooves, such as Clyde Stubblefield (James Brown's drummer) and The Winstons "Amen" grooves that are featured in countless hip-hop and electronica songs. (or rather, "tracks" as we know that they aren't songs, lol...even though a track is like a single instrument recording (1 or more channels, but commonly characterized as a single mixer "channel" even if there are 6 channels stuck inside, as in the case of 5.1 surround, lol...) Alas, all 4 on the floor disco-based dance music styles bring absolutely zero to the table on the subject of rhythm. Future people will not be quoting our beats, lol