Padmapani

your standard uk psytrance. what it lacks in special moments that captivate your attention, it also lacks in annoying things that put you off. it has some nice effects and even a melody here and there, but that is offset by the usage of the same old cheap tricks with kick and bass to add some variety. it's perfectly fine music for the dancefloor but ultimately boring for active listening at home. the cover is pretty nice though.

the policemen look pretty normal to me. but that's not a politician, that's a toad

i like stimuli, noises from the darkness and feeling weird. but apart from those tracks it's all below average music imho. i agree about sphongle (though not at all for hallucinogen). it's just ambient to me. the thing about shpongle (which sets it apart from other ambient; some people with cherish shpongle because it was their introduction to psy) is that it's also accessible to people who are not into electronic music. but as i already love goa/psytrance that's not something positive and having a whole band and instruments is not a plus for me either. besides, the latin influences in way too many tracks are hugely annoying.

ah, sweet smoke. it's been a long time since i heard that one the last time. reminds me of this: another gem of jazzy, highly psychedelic rock music.

the best and heaviest guitar riff from sun project is in this track: all other good suggestions i'd have have already been mentioned. especially dark soho and tim schuldt.

i thought denshi-danshi was only a few old tracks together with new ones and deviant was new stuff? but you may be right. anyway, it is previously unheard music and sounds like more like oldschool than the rest you may still be in your teens, who am i to judge

exactly don't you dare call 30 years anything else than young that's only psynews. the scene isn't grumpy at all. as long as they can get fucked up and have a good time they don't care if psykovsky, neelix or alien jesus is playing. anything that sounds remotely like "doof-da-da-da-doof-da-..." is fine provided that kick and bass are dominant and there aren't too many weird melodies. ______ top 5 goa trance from last 2 years or so not counting re-releases or previously unreleased oldschool? off the top of my head i'd say (in no particular order) : e-mantra - nemesis lunar dawn - kolovrat oforia - read more mindsphere - presence va - the mystery of crystal worlds but since you like oldschool more than newschool i guess you would prefer stuff like: the world beyond denshi-danshi - fluid dymanics deviant electronics - the green room

there's absolutely nothing wrong with talamasca up to (and including) zodiac. time simulation wipes the floor with 90% of goa trance (not that it wouldn't do the same with >90% of fullon) and i've heard some tracks from zodiac turn up in goa trance mixes, blending in perfectly. @topic i wouldn't say i'm old. i was too young to party in the oldschool days. one can never be old if that's the case, right? .

i still don't know if i'm going, but if i am then i'll come on thursday evening. apparently i'm the only one of my friends who still has enough time and motivation for a full festival... is it just me or is the timetable especially horrible this year (even with a pretty good lineup)? most good acts are distributed evenly somewhere before noon and there's not a single night without darkpsy. so it's "force youself to sleep at maintime and get up almost every day for a single good set at an uncivilized time or unintentionally sleep through your favourite sets". /rant

hehe, i know. being uptempo is not it. i prefer goa but enjoy fullon and progressive almost equally and cannot stand 99% of darkpsy. the new robert elster album is great (even though the beat tends to be a bit minimal-oriented like 5 billion stars), so is john 00 fleming's or stereofeld's first. they're all not your standard progressive, but don't lack substance. i also have no problem with minimalistic progressive like shiva chandra. what i mean is that loud is making a step towards music like this. it's of course still very far from that, but i think it nicely illustrates what i mean. these people essential simply make bullshit, call it music, trying to do something different that no one has done before as their only goal without any regard to if it's any good. you can do a lot of things when producing psytrance that's different. but for instance fuzzonaut does it nicely here with lots of unexpected sounds and melodies, completely unexpected track structure, ... but in the end it all plays nicely together with one part leading to the next, telling a story. after listening to the whole thing you feel fulfilled as if you had a nice meal. with the loud album it's like eating gummy bears. you know you ate something but you cannot be full afterward. if you continue eating you go from hungry to sick (but still kind of hungry), if you excuse my crappy analogy but you're right, generally i prefer the trancier progressive. andromeda, human blue, e-clip, ...

can't we have anonymous voting? tbh, i don't think it's unfair at all. why should i need a justification for not liking something. no one would ask for an explanation if i voted 5/5. i just give a honest rating and not one that's here to please the artist or fans. actually, i wrote a few paragraphs in the other thread but my computer crashed (had to restart. wtf? i felt as if it was the 90s again) and decided that the album wasn't worth that much time to write a lengthy post again. so in short: first part of the album is boring, middle part is ok, towards the end it becomes boring again. loud tries too hard to be different and artsy. while the album is indeed different than the majority of psy, being different for the sake of being different isn't enough to make a good album. it's missing "the meat" so to say. if you want nicely done "diferent" album look to oforia - read more (i think eat static would also qualify. in this context it imho doesn't really matter what style it is). those have their own thing going on, but 5 billion stars to me is like new born's album — rather an attempt at creating something unique but lacking substance. there's no "own thing" here...

try gmo vs. dense - equation. why do you always have some seeminly arbitrary rules to your music recommendation threads, instead of asking for what's good? i know a few albums that are better in this department, but one has a psydub track and the other an ambient track. you're missing out on good music this way.

egorhytmia is progressive. no wonder you found it boring expecting fullon. chrostopher lawrence also makes proggy and the whip is an excellent track. though i find egorhytmia to be quite decent too... i second antic recommending hypnocoustics. both of their albums should be exactly what you're looking for. also yar zaa - light and shadows and master blasters - life changing experiences should also fit. besides that, raja ram's stash bag 5 was surprisingly good. sonic species - unleash the beat is also pretty ok (if a bit more standard than the above), and i think the latest two braincell albums could also be what you're looking for. if you're looking for the best of fullon regardless of age, go for releases from 2002-2004. try cosmosis, silicon sound, electric universe, talamasca, fractal glider, psydrop, cosma, protoculture ...

and those things i posted are only some of the warm main dishes. there are also cakes, … sounds like a great breakfast. chat masala? wikipedia doesn't help much imagining what it tastes like. dry mango powder? now that will surely taste exotic for me really? i've been there once and didn't find anything similar. all i got was "rice and curry", which of course is good, but in india you always could choose your dishes at the restaurants (with a huge selection), so having just one piece on the (non-western) menu was a bit strange… ah, sacher torte. i cannot imagine someone not liking that one. but to be honest my favourite cake actually comes from bavaria: most of the time you don't get it with veal anyway. the restaurants are too cheap and serve you pork instead. agreed. it really seems as if the more interesting (less boring) food is to be found further south. probably because most of the spices grow in warmer climates. the further north you go the more likely you are to find lots of meat stews (netherlands, uk, nordic countries). if you go just a little south from here you arrive in italy where they use quite a bit more herbs already. on the other hand we often use "root vegetables", sometimes pureed in a sauce like here: (but the dish on the photo is the czech version. we don't put sour cream on top and our dumplings are bit darker and more tasty )

no never. the nordic kitchens never really catched on elsewhere (even here in central europe), so i guess it's not that special anyway. the cliché says it's all rotten fish and rotten cheese austria on the other hand once was a huge empire (largest in continental europe), so we imported and assimilated the best dishes from all over central and eastern europe the most iconic is the (imho boring) wiener schnitzel: we also have gulasch (or pörkölt in hungary), which is basically the european variant (actually there are many different types of gulasch) of a (northern) indian curry. what's really special about austrian cuisine is that there are lots of sweet main dishes like palatschinken (filled, most often sweet soft pancakes as thin as a dosa) or apricot dumplings or topfenstrudel (strudel with soft sweet cheese)

the progression towards the end is one of the best moments in all of psytrance.

it doens't have to be a song at all. imagine having john cleese (from monty python's silly job interview) stuck in your head for days, saying "good night ringdingdingding" over and over again . it took a lot of effort to get rid of that…

i guess you find every kind of techno in berlin (and also london) over here in vienna we have just one club with regular events and there are about as many people as at the oldschool goa parties (something like 20-30)… glad you like it. maybe you'll find more in this thread? i like the raw warehouse atmosphere, but i'd prefer a straighter kickdrum and just a little less bitcrusher. i know i'm picky

it doesn't matter if your vitamin e comes from natural or synthetic sources. once you have the pure compound it's just vitamin e (well, of course it's a lot more complicated. there's a whole family of different compounds called vitamin e, but there is no reason why synthetic vitamin e couldn't be identical to "natural"). the point is there are hundreds or thousands of flavonoids, anthocyans, tannins and whatnot and many of those can influnce not only uptake but also the effects of your vitamin e. if you're deficient of course you can compensate with supplements just fine, but for valid health benefits, you have to eat the fruit. we've had an in-depth discussion, reviewing the current literature about omega-3 fatty acids, at university 2 years ago. again it doesn't matter that your fatty acids are extracted from fish; if you take capsules with only fish oil you get zero benefits. no one knows exactly why that is, but the studies have been done and that's the best evidence we have. if you want the benefits, you have to eat the fish. the good thing about science is that every hypothesis gets put to test in reality. the hypothesis that taking more omega-3 fatty acid should lower your cardiovascular risk was a good and logical one, but it's one of countless good and logical hypotheses that simply didn't stand up to reality. every time such a thing happens, nature is just more complex than we anticipate and i'm sure we'll figure out how to get the beneficial compounds from a fish-rich diet to work without having to actually eat (more) fish (than our oceans can support), but at the moment we have no clue. here in europe (even down here in austria) it's very easy to be deficient in vitamin d. especially with the indoor/work lifestyle we have. i know lots of people who are taking supplements. again synthetics work just the same as vitamin d from natural sources, as long as it's d3 there is no difference. we still aren't sure where the optimal level of vit. d should be. there are a few different recommendations. having higher levels than you'd get with the rda appears to have some cancer-protective effects. but in contrast to some other vitamins, a hypervitaminosis exists here, so excessive use can lead to serious side effects. according to my definition, if you use it for cooking it's food; if you take it in a capsule then it's a supplement or drug yeah, glutamine is very useful when your body needs to produce/rebuild lots of muscle or connective tissue. it's certainly useful when you to some extreme sporting or have had an injury or operation. magnesium is a nice thing as a supplement. your body takes it up when needed, but excretes excess magnesium by giving you the shits. so you can take as much as you want without serious side effects (as long as your kidneys are fine). it's also often used as a laxative for exactly that reason. (but i don't get why you put magnesium under synthetic. magnesium oxide (or whatever) is a mineral. how could it not be "natural". i mean to say that the distinction is pretty useless here.)

don't spend too much time on that. you already closed a few gaps in my knowledge and gave some pointer to what to look up. it's the same over here (the fears, not the exploding population). people fear they'll become a minority because of muslim immigrants (having way more than the standard fertility rate of 1.4). what they don't see is that the fertility rate drops to domestic levels in the next generation. but those that profit from spreading hate of course omit that piece of information.

ah, then it's clear. somehow i thought you were from further up north. they definitely do. it's nice and savoury and all, but not something i could eat every day. agreed, i have no idea why north indian food is so popular everywhere and south indian food nowhere to be found (except in a few places like singapore where there people of indian descent are mainly tamils). most people over here don't even know that south india has a different cuisine. we finally took the instant mix (rice flour and urid dal aren't too easy to come by), but went for the full masala dosa. it took a few tries to get the batter to actually turn into a dosa, but finally it worked out more or less . sadly neither the sambar nor the chutney turned out remotely as good as i hoped, so all in all it wasn't worth the effort. very easy and instant recipes sound intriguing for sure (and they're surely also better than some random reciple i'll find on the internet), but i'm doubtful if it's really easy or even doable without access too all ingredients or without specialised equipment (the owner from one of the indian restaurants in our city told me they couldn't even make dosa if they wanted because they have not enough space in the kitchen? though i'm not quite certain that he knows what he's talking about ) that looks interesting and tasty. almost like a mixture between dosa and austrian bread, though i guess it's pretty different in reality. and i guess teff flour is also pretty much impossible to get in most places.

great post. thanks, and no need to be sorry at all! it makes the whole thing a bit clearer now. i didn't realise they switched whom they favoured and have never heard about the first war of indian independance at all. in school all we learn about india is "there was the indus valley civilisation, we don't know much about them" ---nothing --- "the british came and conquered all of india" --- "gandhi fought for independance peacefully and succeeded, but fighting between hindus and muslism led to the partition into india and pakistan" --- end of the story. if i wouldn't have try to get a more complete picutre, i'd feel like the cliche american failing at basic geography

i don't believe in "high-tech" either. every few years (or rather months lately), new superfoods and supplements are heavily promoted. sometimes there's weak scientific evidence, sometimes there's none. but we've seen many supplements come and go. sometimes even because they're proven to be harmful (some time ago vitamin a was heavily promoted, but then people realised that taking vitamin a increases your cancer risk instead of decreasing it as people thought before. the next step was putting vitamin e everywhere, replacing the vitamin a hype, but recently a huge study found vitamin e supplements to do exactly nothing. same with omega-3 fatty acids). of course every hype lasts a few years and the companies selling these supplements make a lot of money in the meantime. the thing is many healthy chemicals (like vitamins or omega-3 fatty acids) only exhibit their healthy effects when you eat them in conjunction with all the other chemicals found in foodstuff. if you eat carrots containing vitamin a you'll decrease your cancer risk, if you eat fish containing omega-3 fatty acids you decrease your cardiovascular risk, but if you take vitamin a supplements you actually increase your cancer risk and if you take fish oil capsules it only decreases the contents of your wallet. this is all scientifically proven. of course if you have a diagnosed deficiency you should supplement until you're back in normal range, but outside of that the only effective thing you can do for maximising health benefits is: cook yourself, use fresh ingredients, eat a diet with lots of variety (including some meat). of course there are some foods with more benefits than others*: fish is good, so are eggs, greens, whole grain stuff, olive oil, coconut water, spices like tumeric, .... others are more problematic*: mustard oil, heated highly unsaturated fats, fats high in omega-6 fatty acids (there's an ideal ratio of omega-3:omega-6 to look for. eating saturated fatty acids is preferable to eating unsaturated ones with a ratio that's way off), high fructose corn syrup, old/heated honey, ... raffinated sugar is not among the problematic ones (as you commonly hear). at least as long as you know what it does (producing a short peak in sugar concentration leaving you hungry after a comparatively short time) and don't consume unreasonable amounts. after all, all carbohydrates have to be turned into the same few building blocks in your intestine to be taken up by your body. once these are in your bloodstream there's no way to tell if they came from raffinated sugar, coconut water, an apple or whatever. *i'm too lazy to look up any sources here; others might disagree. @starkraver you have dosa up there? i thought it was a speciality only really available down south. i loved dosa when i was in india. it's extremely difficult to get the ingredients over here. the restaurants say "we only have nothern indian food" and when i tried buying the components, i got strange looks "you really want to make it all yourself??? the only thing we have here is instant-dosa mix".

true.

nice. especially the first track from each post. so is non-softened techno finally becoming more popular again? i guess you'll know it from my own techno thread further down, but i think it fits here nicely: edit: thanks for posting this thread. those AnD guys make some seriously good techno.