Padmapani

what you start out with is secondary. sometimes it's kick then bass, sometimes it's a melody, sometimes a chord progression with some atmospheric sounds. i used to start out sequentially and go from intro to outro, but that for me doesn't work out so well. along the way i have different ideas that don't really fit together with what i've created, resulting in a track that isn't coherent at all. now i just make loops and different loops to go along with them. like cybernetika said, you build on an idea and sometimes that leads to new ideas that are infinitely better and replace your old ones. along the way you'll have ideas for breaks and builds and the like, so after doing that for long enough you'll have way more material that fits together than you can fit into a track. so it's time to start sequencing the whole thing. at least that's the way i do it. another plus about working this way is that you can start your track by just copying an element from a track you like and you'll end up somewhere completely different... for the track i'm currently working on i copied the lead of paragliders - oasis, made some atmospheres with a chord progression to go along with it, thought that the progression was going too fast so i streched it over twice the length, made new melodies to go along with that, and in the end nothing sounds like oasis at all

sorry bout that. still, since you heard something different before, i'd appreciate if you shared with me what it's really supposed to mean

ice and headcleaner are essential progressive albums, but blue planet is pure goa. concerning newschool: what about the blissful moments compilation from 2003?

sometimes i have a hard time understanding people even when it might be obvious for the other party. exactly. the other instruments aren't noticable at all in the mix. exactly. no worries, i could have been more clear by quoting your paragraphs individually. agreed. especially if you work similarly to me and like to keep everything in midi until you bounce down the finished track. you know, there's always a bit too much resonance on one synth and some fucked up automation on another you'll only notice in the final mixdown sure, any new daw is daunting at the beginning, but it also depends on what suits your individual workflow. when i want to get down a quick idea i had, the thing that takes longest is logic loading all the plugins and the template file. the rest is selecting the right channel, pressing records and playing the pattern. what gets really complicated in reason (and is a matter of dragging around some regions on most other daws) is the whole arrangement or playing longer more complicated patterns in sequence, but of course that might be different now - the last version of reason i know is 3.0 while i can recommend getting a mac, i wouldn't recommend logic if you don't already know it or it if really fits the way you work. it's well.... not exactly the most stable piece of software i know... (which is particularly annoying if you were so occupied with working on your track that you forgot to save in the last half hour) only one core? wow, that's really not acceptable for 2015 at all. isn't there a daw made by ex-steinberg employees where they tried to fix everything that's wrong in cubase? reaper?? i think i've got the same thing with my audio interface. it quickly went to the trash i have no idea about fruity, it's not avaiable on mac. but for instance artifact303 only uses fruity iirc. so i guess it's good enough, if you like it. isn't protools geared more towards recording in a studio rather than producing electronic music? i know what you mean. i tried ableton once and didn't like it at all. if i cannot have a good overview of the whole track and quick and easy access to the pattern editor in a seperate window, the daw quickly becomes confusing for me. from what i've seen cubase and logic are the most similar daws out there. according on what you read in different production forums logic's and cubase's summing engines are both better than abletons, but it's not like you'd notice a huge difference (or any difference at all if you don't have something to compare) with tracks produced with ableton. logic has become cheaper with the last 2 releases or so, and the copy protection is also weaker than it had originally been 3 or 4 major versions ago if that's what you mean but apple isn't that nice either. with logic x they dropped support for 32 bit plugins, so i'm using logic 9, which has this funky "32-bit audio unit bridge", which likes to crash every hour or so. and if you run logic 9 in 32-bit more, you'll quickly run out of memory on large tracks, making it somehow impossible for logic to save the file you were working on (wtf?!? seriously!).

interesting, you really don't notice anything in the context. why not? but i work with logic and mainly use u-he synths. so it's pretty unlikely that we can agree on that don't get me started with reason. it's nearly the most confusing piece of software i've ever come across. all those cables, different pattern editors and the lack of a overseeable arrange view that's also working for more complicated tracks and the peculiar automation controls nearly made me quit trying to produce for good. it's only when i discovered logic that things "logically" came together

they make some really nice dub, but when i saw them live once they only played something that sounded more like electro. apparently they wanted a more danceable version of their music and seriously overdid it...

"people mystical paradigm, not now!" apparently it means "Don't go mystic or paranoid on me now", but i don't hear that (shakta - silicon trip, btw)

you didn't burst any bubbles. it was so close to the original that i considered it, but the lack of artifacts from timestretching (when going from 140 to 100 i'd have hear some when i do that in logic) and the lack of remnants from the original track made me wonder thanks! i do remixes from time to time, but as long as i'm not really satisfied with the result, the public won't hear any of it . currently working on some original material, but i have plans for turning fullon classics into newschool goa... no idea if that'll work out as well as i imagine, but it'll sure be interesting to try

how did you do the main lead? it sounds a lot closer to the original than anything we got in the reproducing known melodies thread.

don't worry. if the psytrance you're dancing to is psychedelic enough, it (arguably) looks a bit less scary

trip tonite remix: "each neuron etangled with... an electric penis"??? i still have no idea what it's supposed to mean 3:20

less and less rather. i've definitely become more picky in the last years, so i'd rather fly a good goa festival once a year than go two mediocre darkpsy/progressive festivals near me

since the other thread is already 2 years old, why not start a new one? the lineup looks very nice with a good mix between oldschool and newschool goa trance. is anyone going this year? i just booked my flights.

i've had no problems updating from slow leopard to mountain lion. with a few adjustments (there are guides on the internet) you can make everything look and behave just like before the update (except that the scrollbars lose their arrows). now i'm holding out with ml until i'm forced to update again (iirc updating would force me to switch to logic x, breaking compatibility with all 32bit plugins, yikes!). so far, i have not run into software that didn't accept mountain lion as sufficiently advanced.

i don't see the penis really. or rather, if you know someone with a penis like that you should immediately send them to a doctor. for the next cover i'd rather suspect something that could be interpreted as ladies butts in leggings if you've been following his soundcloud, you know that there's at least one very interesting remix of an oldschool classic coming up

if i had to choose one, it'd be plastic at the moment. it might be vimana next week or maia or z-plane sunrise or asterope or alcyone or full mental jackpot or trip tonite or (indeed) time dilation... so i guess that's a top 9 list

no way. the really great ones are maia, alcyone and asterope. electra is good but not on the same level.

psytek or psytech is this sort of music: that track is rather minimal techno with psy influences.

i've heard that from people into darkpsy and also people who are into fullon. both are typically not that well suited for newbies to the genre.

with google deep dream turning pictures of white noise into a psychedelic landscape, i'd expect that the psytrance generator isn't too far off

i'm not disagreeing with your whole post, but with the point i quoted. an arp is not simply random melodies, it's a chord played in sequence. if it's done right you can make wonderful progressions unfold without sounding cheesy or "classical". but i agree that some goa producers (even the big ones; newschool and oldschool) sometimes create loops with melodies that don't have any coherence or storytelling and just sound like, well, random notes taken from an oriental scale put together just for the purpose of creating any (irgendeine beliebige) melody, just because goa trance is expected to have lots of melodies. i do see some purpse to some very few darkpsy fx (scatterbrain, psykovsky - last bus madras, lunarave (even if they're not really darkpsy)) and like the result, but the rest of the genre sounds as random to me as filteria or shakta sounds to the darkpsy nuts (i'm not saying they're free of guilt of just putting together random melodies. but it's not the majority of their material)

acidic goa to trancy morning goa not nearly as dark as cydonia or u.x.

as a goa guy i strongly disagree. i will never just load a preset and play it. every patch i use will either be a variant of my own presets, a preset tweaked until it has absolutely nothing to do with the original, or (most often) a newly created sound started from scratch. the closest to darkpsy i've ever made was putting effectrix on a sustained fm sound and pressing random a few times. to me it sounds indistinguishable from a standerd darkpsy lead (they really sound very much alike), but i'm sure that to a darkpsy connoisseur it won't sound like that at all. it's a matter of perspective. it's just that from my perspective these random piercing noises are just random piercing noises.

this one is actually surprisingly good: the mai mai and gamma goblins remixes are pretty fine too. the dancing galaxy remix is not my taste at all.

have you tried out different schools of psychotherapy? as far as i know (i have friends who are psychotherapists) client centered therapy seems to help nicely in the long term for many people. cbt donsn't get to the root of the problem and rather helps for specific situations than for general well-being. medication wise, there is tianeptine, which has a completely different mechanism of action than all other drugs used for anxiety/depression. it also has a little opioid-receptor activity, but that's not the main mechanism (as far as we know now). it might be worth a try if it's available in your country.