Padmapani

i still do it with basslines with octave jumps at 150 bpm

maybe that because he's he is good technically but usually just making boring empty track that don't have much style of their own, so the original style shines through in every remix. agreed. the acidline was better in the original.

i have one channel per note of the bassline (sometimes plus extra-channels for notes overlapping with the kick) all routed to one bass bus, which is then routed to the knb bus. i often do a boost at the second harmonic and a cut at the fifth on the bassline. if the notes change these eq bands are off and the sound isn't as clean. thanks for mentioning keytracking. i haven't really thought about that before for the bassline.

not only phase issues. but it'd be a lot more work and much more prone to error. even when doing a typical "jumpy" fullon bassline that doesn't change with the chords i use 3-4 channels with different eq for each note. that'd be pretty much impossible with automation.

i was coming from freetekno back than. if you're used to having just a fat kick playing at 180bpm with a few weird sounds on top you have a different perspective. my cheese threshold was way lower back then. i was at the time looking for sound like talamasca - leo, but music like astrix - day dream was fresh and new and played everywhere. for most tracks i liked the first half but couldn't stand the climax at the end nowadays i have no problem with electric universe - peak (though it's still not among my favourites), but i would have hated it then i do agree on that point about progressive. just listened to the sensations album the other day and it's really a gem. most new progressive doesn't come close.

maybe it's going back into fashion soon. at least there's a recent remix of it that captures the essence of the track pretty well (even though it's from captain hook).

that track is in the playlist currently running in my car i started out a little later, so i only dissed the sort of fullon that had basslines changing according to the chord progression, thinking it was way too cheesy for psy. little did i know what we were going to see from electro sun and the like a few years later

two new tracks are also up. quite different from old chi-a.d. but somehow still with the same spirit. production wise they do sound a little like new ux, but where ux gives us industrial influence, hannah gives us something floaty and melodic.

thanks for putting that effort into this. and i must say it does sound better than my first attempts at making goa trance. i especially like the second one. nice melodies and groove there in the beginning. reminds me of early 2000 progressive. though for me the bassline (/progression) really seemd to want to go back up to the "root" after two bars. the first one almost sounded jazzy (wasn't there are thread about jazz influenced psytrance somwhere on the forum?). this one lives on the border of what can be called psytrance imho. but i guess it would work fine as a downtempo psy track. the third one got dissonant fast (as recursion already said, there was dissonance in every one of them). anyway, it's nice to hear a new perspective and i can understand your point better now. btw: for that minimal offbeat sound check out some releases by panzar productionz. though sadly they seem to focus more on hard knb rather than musical aspect of the sound in the early 00s. rtp probably is the most knowledgable about their best releases.

i've finally found a captain hook that that i like. nice modern production and true to the original without any bullshit.

really nice track! cosmic sound is always appreciated.

cool, it will be interesting at the very least. it seems recursion loop is right and the only answer to "what are you missing in psytrance" is to make that music yourself

i did try to steal from tool too but failed in the same way. even when using the general idea of the gorgeous melody from lateralus as a guide it ultimately sounded too happy and cheesy.

this thread is even marked as "hot" with an orange bar. i think i've never seen that before.

agreed. i had to sell my soul to psytrance to advance and now be able to step to the stars. it was a hard decision but ultimately worth it

sadly, people are really getting careless now (i also understand it a little. i too want this shit to be over and finally go to parties again). right where i work we are austria's hotspot now. and almost daily people are coming in to ask for directions to the corona test station… that's a definite possibility (just to be clear, the virus has to be gone from the body, but the immune system does keep some memory even if it's not enough for complete immunity). with some other coronaviruses you can get infected by exactly the same virus again after a year or two. maybe the only reason they aren't as serious as covid-19 is that we all have aquired a bit of immunity because everyone has already come in contact with them as children? who knows?

damn, i wanted to challenge you to make a psy track that actually sounds good and uses an epic progression from some sort of prog rock track

ah, then i'm sorry. i misunderstood and though you were arguing for the op's point of view. so we agree that a kick drum and some weird sounds can be enough to make a classic that stands the test of time?

the thing about remixes is a red herring imho. if a track still rocks the danceflor unlike most other and gets the new generation asking for the title of "that great track" 20-30 years later, even though the original obviously doesn't conform to modern production standards, that's more of a testimony to its iconic nature than any remixes. i know a few tracks from the 90s or early 00s that still get praise at freeparties newadays and tick those boxes, but wouldn't satify the criteria of you or the op for containing signature melodies or hooks.

you do not produce psy i suppose? once you go in with all these rich chords, progressions and concepts that work for old music and bring it into electronic dance music you almost inevitably end up with an ultra-cringey cheesefest. i've had the same idea a while back and wanted to bring some of the magic that i know from my prog rock background into psy and the results have all been despicably bad. the only way i've found to do harmony in a tasteful way in our context is to use sublety. lots of it. if you want to hint at a chord, you might for instance use an arp-like melody and play the chord defining note a single time in a whole bar, you might as you mention use delay, you might use a reverb tail of a heavily filtered note, you might use the resonance of your filter to emphasize a particular frequency while playing the root note, you might use a pad that uses a waveform that emphasises a particular overtone… if you want to go deeper and more complex and don't want to risk ending up with unlistenable shit, you go deeper and more complex with sound design.

the whole point of the op can be easily refuted with a single word: Techno.

about three evenings per week. and 1-2 months.

both talamasca and eu started out with goa, but switched to fullon pretty early. talamasca's beyond the mask is pure goa, musica divinorum is something i'd count as early fullon (not quite fullon as we know it but leading up to it), and zodiac is a almost a genre defining fullon album imho. that might also be because it was my introduction to fullon . too bad talamasca has turned to making predictable cheese soon afterwards. electric universe did make goa up to the unify album, but cosmic experience is a fullon classic, especially with tracks like the prayer and morning star.

thanks. the hamburger menu disappeared when i maximised it (though i don't get why it would switch to mobile when it's already a large window that covers 80% of the screen at 2560x1600). ah, i just found it. i just tried manually setting the page zoom to 100% for psynews and now it looks normal again. i have no idea why it only display it zoomed way in for the last week, but i hope it's solved now that i set it to be at 100% all the time. thanks again.

safari 13.1 on mac os 10.14.6. neither do i see an option to choose the version. i did not change anything recently, so i also suspect the forum software to make the mistake here.