Padmapani

i like this version better:

flugschaukel is nearly as good, but yes, pilzvergiftung is genious. my definition of minimal psytrance.

+2 but most of the time, i don't even stay at the floor for more than a few hours. the artists playing music that i like (or music that is ok) is too often interrupted by darkpsy at night or by minimal at day. for me that's time better spent at the chillout, camp, foodstalls or whatever.

thanks for the info. finally i'm able to join in in time for such an event

i also voted for auricular, but i must confess that i like the collaboration of his with the artist name auricular more than anything he did as shiva chandra.

i wouldn't classify ka-sol as darkpsy. it's forest, sure, but rather "forest psytrance" or "forest goa" instead of "forest darkpsy" like derango and all the others.

^ pure power. i like. but it's ime best in small doses like those darkpsy tracks from around 2003. still i'd rather dance to this than highko, furious and the like.

i'm not interested in a guide, but i'm definitely wondering how you do all that without it sounding horrible and disjointed. it sounds like a awesome way to mix techno or something, but (good?) psytrance usually has some sort of a linear, flowing structure to it where i imagine it's difficult to jumble the parts up in a way that still has some consistency. even with normal DJing psytrance (as opposed to other genres of EDM) is played one track after the other in most cases.

my point was exactly that for making great music it isn't necessary to edit details of some fx for hours. i don't doubt that most of the darkpsy artists spend a lot of time on exactly that and there's also nothing bad about that (i myself spend many months on a single track, which is definitely excessive and probably detrimental to the whole thing), but anyway, i'm just wondering why people are most often discussing darkpsy (i mainly hear that on other forums) like "he must have spent hours tweaking these fx" like it's some kind of dick sizing contest about the amount of time needed for tweaking all those details. with other styles you more often hear things like "whoa, this euphoric melody takes you right to outer space" or "great melancholic atmosphere" or something instead of "man, he must have spent hours microediting those fx". i'm not trying to diss darkpsy. i do not enjoy it and i hate how it has stolen all the nighttime on the parties, but i think the regulars know that already, so i guess i'm just trying to understand the mindset needed for enjoying it there's no doubt i'm missing that mindset. putting effectrix on a noisy sound and pressing random ten times or so will turn up a pattern that's for me indistinguishable from any darkpsy, but that's just my perception. i'm dead sure, that you'll say "what kind of noisy crap is that" when confronted with the result

didn't they call anything with more energy "full on" back then in the 90s?

what about "hard electro house"? it's like electro house but harder, and the term hard electro house sounds as boring as the music itself

this is actually pretty ok. you can surely tell a nice story if you integrate that in a psytrance/fullon set, but a whole set would be a bit much. it's kinda like the darkpsy i liked when i first got into psytrance: this one has atmosphere, melodies and well thought out use of fx. all that with no screechy noise overload. i bet most darkpsyheads wouldn't classify it at darkpsy now, but it definitely was darkpsy back then. what i don't get, is why everyone keeps talking about how much work a darkpsy track was. i don't care if it was a lot of work or if the artist did a lot of "microediting", as long as it sounds good. no amount of work that has been put into that music can make it sound different to my ears than just hitting "random" a few times on a plugin like effectrix that's been put onto an fm lead. there are numerous examples for great tracks that probably can be done in a few hours. try this one: (imagine this one pitched up to a reasonable speed) it's nothing more than a beat with a simple acidline and some modulation thereof. but it's a acid classic and one of my absolute favourites at that. btw: that midimiliz track is great. an almost ideal combination of psytrance and techno-aestethic, complete with atmosphere and melodies

i could stand darkpsy (includes forest and other variants for me too) for 1-2 hours too if it wasn't psycore. so maybe we can compromise with darkpsy around midnight (23:00-1:00) and good music afterwards?

this needs a poll

i absolutely love dancing in the night, which btw is my favourite time of the day. but i simply cannot stand darkpsy, so i'll just be chilling at the tent or at the chillout. going to sleep so early is not an option, so i regularily miss all the great artists who usually play at sleep time (6:00-12:00). having the nights dedicated solely to darkpsy at almost any party is what made me hate that genre passionately. a perfect example from the recently posted timetable for the first night of sun festival: cosmosis is playing a retro set at 6:00. 6:00?!? cosmosis' old tracks are definitely night music to me. i just don't get why anyone would want energetic, weird and acidic music like that to be played 1 hour after sunrise. a similar example was koxbox playing at 12:00 at ozora last year. seriously, what were they thinking? the great majority of psytrance is night music, so why do we only have the option of listening to one single genre from a great multitude when it's dark? [/rant]

doesn't that photo of summer never ends festival look like the mainfloor of every other psy festival of that size? the deco is surely better than at the small ones here, but nowhere near ozora or boom.

i have heard tavi and luna nova. tavi was way to nitzho for me and luna nova was medocre; the only track from that compil that cought my attention was faxi nadu and i wouldn't classify that one as goa really.

well, you get a tolerance over time. what used to be fiery hot then only gives you a light prickling on the tounge, so you'll have to add a bit of extra chili to get the full taste again. if you use the right amount it doesn't cover up the taste of the rest of the food. the bad thing about this is, that this only applies to your mouth. so if you inadvertently rub your eye on the same day you cut up chilies, you are defintely going to regret it. the thing about not tasting anything only happens when you seriously overdo it, but then it isn't even hot anymore. i do not reccomend.

i have never felt the need for timetables at parties (and in fact found it a bit silly to put the name of the dj + the track currently playing on the visuals, as has happened many years ago on the dnb parties i went to). but i will not download a dj mix if there's no tracklist (except from a select few). one main reason why i listen to mixes is to find new music, but those nice tracks you hear in a dj mix are nearly impossible to track down without a tracklist (or the lost tracks forum here).

yeah, klopfgeister made some pretty awesome progressive back then. too bad they're doing more minimal/electro than psy nowadays.

i'm not really into hot sauces (or jalapeños, they have a weird taste and are totally mild), but i love fresh hot chilis. i got about 30 different capsicum plants with everything from bell peppers over various different annum and frutescens cultivars over thai chilis to habaneros (these imho have a nice flavour, much fuller and fruitier than the jalapeños, i'd like them even if they weren't hot). i'd also like to have a bhut jolokia plant, but haven't had any success in finding seeds of plants. there's just no way to make a nice curry (or one of those countless other asian dishes) without adding some hot friends i have also substituted bell peppers with an equal count of habaneros once, when i had none of the former at home, but i'm not going to repeat that very soon

yes, you have to be careful with them, but as you said, just having them at home helps and sometimes even is enough

happy birthday neogoa!

@rtp welcome to the club at least in our language it's the right word for what you describe. i myself am lucky enough to get serious ones only every few years or so. having a prescription for benzodiazepines for such occasions ime helps a lot. antidepressants are something i wouldn't touch, but a friend of mine has the same problem and tried various ones and each time the medication made the whole thing worse rather than better. they do help for some people, but that seems to be a minority as far as i can see.

i have listened to some of that album a few years ago and found it mediocre at best. i tried again just now, but that didn't change my opinion. besides i don't find it overly psychedelic at all. the only thing this has in common with psytrance is the name boris blenn. for jazzy, loungy music (which i'm not that much into btw) i go to the (imho) masters of the genre like saint germain or tosca; and if it tends more towards dub instead like thievery corporation, zenzile or dubblestandard im all for it. but anyway, have fun listening to that album if you like such music. but why not check out other artists too? boris was a master at acidic, monotonous goa trance and melodic, goa-influenced fullon, but imho this genre isn't his strength.