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Cool! It took me approximately 1,5 years here on the new forum to get 1500+ posts, so in approximately another 1,5 years (a bit less maybe) I'll have my custom title

oh no... you, know ... this video reminds me of my trance times back then where I was an ignorant prolet shithead ... all normal trance music nowadays reminds me of it and I don't want to be reminded, you know? That's why I'd blow my head off myself if I will once land again in such a trance environment - even if they play psy it would be very shit for me. Just a psychological issue

*head shot* ... *head not found*

Well ... music-wise it's kinda " " ... But samples are good. And I liked the video! As a soundtrack the music is not even thaaat baaad... The political and conspiracial statement I like

It depends so much on the situation and the mood. For me in my everyday life the rather slow tacks are more suitable ... okay, not too slow, but around 120 to 135 bpm kinda. Makes some progression and pushes gently. Ideal for running this is. I really love the stuff that is not so fast, I guess it's just my biological rhythm, there are tracks which have so great non-fast bpm I could run forever to them (sadly they are rare for it's not only the bpm that counts). And at home I also prefer the more housier and progressive stuff, not too fast but just progressive, that's ideal stuff for me! Sometimes I'm not at all in the mood for any beaty stuff too! Sometimes I just want to hear chill out stuff. Or sometimes metal! At parties the music can be faster. On some occasions I really want to get into a kind of trance and not just shaking to the rhythm if you know what I mean - although for that I'm sometimes also in the mood. Depends. The mood on a party sets itself not in minutes but rather hours and many things can happen in that time. The Nommos for example - I do not or only very very rarely listen to that stuff at home (too fast and too much "screaming sound" at you), but if they came here I'd probably go to the party, because for party this could fit.

this is a joke, right?

Goa trance. Where it stands now? It's torn to pieces. Now it might be called psychedelic and merged with other musical styles, but overall seen it's like that: There's a "full-on" part, a "dark psy" part and a "prog psy" part. Somewhat. Yes, I know that is a very rough classification, but if you want to come to the root of the goa-plant of nowadays you must take this approach somewhat. Full-on is liked by the young generation that is new to the sound (if I would be a n00b right now and would not have found this forum here (thank god I found that in the past, otherwise I'd probably have ended up listening to Skazi and Arsetrix and ... )) ... other people like progressive (where I think the age is pretty balanced, young as well as old) or dark ... the advantage of both of those is that you don't get it thrown at your face like Skazi Fullon when you're new to the scene, that is good as new listeners of these styles already have a little of a basic knowledge of what's out there. And then there's the oldschool - and rather the older generations prefer this oldschool sound (exceptions there are several of course, but I'd describe the trend like that), which does not exist anymore today. Yes, you can twist it and turn it and argue, I don't think oldschool exists anymore in a big manner (so that I would count it in as a "part" above) - and there are too few people making efforts in the direction of re-vitalizing it, so it won't reach major audiences soon. Of course there might be labels (Suntrip) and producers and parties ... but it does not qualify to name for we don't have to look at psynews, we have to look at everything in the scene and you might like it or not, oldschool is not represented much. So far to the state of Goa Trance today.

indeed ... that is very much the right style, fits well ... thanks Ode To Arcadia's darkness is too "massive". But WAIT! I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING MYSELF! Talla 2XLC - Is Anybody Out There (DJ Taucher Remix)!!! Man, I had already forgotten this track ... this was such a long time ago. LOL, I think this was one of the first trance tracks I got over the net as I got internet! Man ... but it's perfect. Perfect! These synths are absolutely what I want - not scary, but lonely, abandoned ... and yet peaceful! Yes, yes, yes! These are the synths I want! It's a bit cheezy-touched towards the end, but very good! That's what happens when you dig through old files

thanks again for recommendations Yes, this is kinda what I want! Especially Beilon Pepti ... rest is again not quite as synth-melodic as I seek... Didn't blow me away so much like Neoris, but still, pretty good and definitely in the right direction with the synths ... aaah, finally no mad effects, but peace, that is gooood And now, to top it all, that Beilon Pepti track is on the Refresh Comp too! Man, this compilation is getting better and better, seriously Yay! That is somewhat what I look for indeed! This has the dark "post-nuclear" music synths ... even a bit creepy ... good stuff! Although I won't be able to run to it for it lacks the progression, hehe ... but nevermind, still very good dark nuclear stuff for late night creepiness at home! Thank you Xenomorph's Qlippoth I have already on my checklist And the dark ambient I will check when I'm in the mood...

Yes, yes, the Neoris one was the best recommendation so far I also checked the comp ... looks promising with Setherian, Human Blue, Blue Planet Corp., Nuclear Ramjet ... and some of the other samples sound promising too! Silent Hill I know ... and I love the game because of the soundtrack The Pig stuff isn't my cup of tea though

oh yes, I am already a little sorry somewhat, you good guys giving me so many recommendations and I'm so picky ... but I know I am ... very picky and also very picky in little details all the time, I always was, it's hard to satisfy me, I so know But Penta is also not what I'm looking for Penta is dark, but also far too driving. Less beat and effects and more synth melodies would do the trick... Well ... this kinda industrial stuff might be good when I'm in the mood, but it's already too industrial-ish. I mean, I know some other Skinny Puppy that are kinda dark ambient-ish ... but ... it does not quite do the twist. Some songs are ok, but generally it's too industrially deranged and I hate that screaming singing... Could it actually be that this style I seek, with dark synth melodies without being too psychedelic or having too many effects but still being progressive is somewhat of a hole in the market? There's either the driving dark stuff with the weird effects or the harder prog stuff. Or you go completely for dark ambient. But in between there's only very very few? Because that would be a point to start with own projects ... if I could make music

Oh, no BOTFB please ... that is too scary for me! And too "psychedelic". I don't want it psychedelic. Schlabbaduerst I know a bit of ... but that's also too driving...

Yes, we are all developing, aren't we? I also am much more into chill now than I was for example a year ago. But I don't think I would just focus on chill anymore one day, that's impossible, what music should I run to then? Chill is still getting better and better for me. Mostly because the upbeat stuff makes me more and more nervous when listening to it. That is good when I have to work something or want to work out or to dance, but when I'm just at home I tend to listen more and more to chill too...

euh ... well, that is, to be honest, absolutely not my cup of chai ... hehe ... I expected some beautiful synth melody and certainly not this That is the problem. Most people connect dark psy with dark bass, dark effects and squishes, progression, darkness ... that is all well, but I do not seek this kind of dark psy. I want synth melodies. Somewhat melodic dark, hehe ... but not too melodic either. The Neoris track was a very good suggestion for what I am looking for I checked other Neoris and they are not quite as good as the Submarine ... still, the synths are good in Dolphin's States for example too...

Thank you very much for the recommendations MOS, Terminator or Spirallianz are good, but not right the stuff I want ... but thanks anyway I didn't know Ghreg before. It's actually good and very dark stuff. But it's too blowing for the stuff I am seeking here. But I'll definitely keep it in mind, because sometimes I'm in the mood... Hey ... is that your own project? Nice clear sound, good production! Although the sound is not quite what I look for. It's progressing and rather dark, but the "abandonedness" in the synths is missing unfortunately. It's the same thing that goes with most other recommendations too - good and dark, but too focused on only progression without synth melody... Yes! Those are some great recommendations - except maybe the Freaking track, this one I don't like so much... But the NEORIS one is perfect! Absolutely perfect! Finally this one has got those peculiar "post-nuclear" peaceful synth melody that I am looking for and also the progression! YEY! Really really good! Listening to the sample already for the fourth time And the Audiobelle one is very nice and grooving ... I like it also very much, although it has rather a warm background synth than a cold, dark, abandoned one, but I like this progressive style and thus it's still a very good track to me And the Karavena is ok too. Dude, I don't know what you define as "post-nuclear", but this definitely is aimed in that direction. The deep bassline, the semi-dark somewhat uncomforting synth and then the sharper, also uncomforting dark synths and the effects over it ... fits perfectly to a dead city with black-windowed empty grey houses towering to a sunless sky full of clouds and fog everywhere and many signs with "attention, radiation" and such... Of course ambient would capture the uncomforting peace even more, but I don't want ambient now, I want progression. But ... nuclear ambient? I know dark ambient, but not nuclear ambient? ... Is that another sub-genre? hey ... I already know the first track ... it's by Wrecked Machines I'll probably listen to the full thing later... Eeeh ... why Dr Tropical ??? Not a bad track BTW, but ... I ... again ... miss the loneliess in the synths ... well, kinda, I didn't get much to listen to them in the sample, they were there in the background at the end ... must make myself a clearer picture of that. I also checked a few samples of the Intelligent Manipulation CD ... not bad, but what I heard wouldn't make me wanna get it. Thanks anyway

Yes, I know of that. I even got myself some songs on mp3 back then. It's good stuff. NIN did a great job! The pieces are rather dark ambient-ish (at least the ones I dled) though - except the theme. But thanks for the recommendation

Hmmm... Opsis is ... strange stuff ... not my cup of tea. It has a rather industrialied sounding to it occasionally ... but it would rather remind me of the horror game Silent Hill (especially the track "Opened And Examined") than of a fallout scenario. The disturbing peace is missing, you know? Nuclear Ramjet is somewhat better. Hits the spot better "Operation Northwood" has kinda the peacefulness in the synths that I want! But the beat is too fast. And the other songs by Nuclear Ramjet are ... again not what I seek. The Delta I know something of. Is their "Send In Send Back" album like the Thing? Because this track has a wonderfully peaceful-disturbing synth part in the middle, but then it again gets so ... ewww ... I guess I just don't want this kind of bass and beats. That's why I don't checked out more of The Delta ... because I think they will have this beat in their other songs too and singe the Thing is something people refer to as unique I don't think their other stuff comes close ... will check though... (now I checked and it's as I said ... not the stuff I want right now ... I'll put it on my list though, it's good...) Noma I know ... he did Prex together with S-Range. But Noma or S-Range alone don't quite do the trick. Noma is too prog and too fast and S-Range too fluffy for this kind of dark music I seek. Also, don't be misled by other Prex tunes. S4 is the only one of them I know that hits the spot! Also Beat Bizarre I know ... I have almost the complete Lewd album from back of my download times. But that's not quite what I search for either

First of all thanks for recommendations I checked samples. Voice Of Cod: that sounds okay, but it's too psychedelic ... feels like a layer of transparent fractals put on the pictures if you know what I mean... And besides I can hear Colin's voice in it and you know, it reminds me of the one of a radio moderator and that doesn't contribute to a darkness feeling ... hehehe ... Synthia System: that sounds actually like a good track ... this one I will remember ... but it has also not the "nuclear-ness", this dark kind of peace of abandoned cities... Time Lock: hmmm ... the effects are somewhat too razor-sharpish for me in a way to enjoy it... I would want something with darkish synths, but not too many and not too sharp effects over them... but thanks anyway

Okay, I got a request. I want some dark stuff. But the point is, I want dark stuff the way I want it ... I checked out the last "Dark Psy" thread and the artists mentioned there (those that I knew) are way too aggressive to me ... too "psy", you know? I seek dark psy that is not really psy ... and still though. Can't explain it very well, please read the description. Let me describe it: I want some psy that would fit as a soundtrack when you run through an abandoned city after a nuclear incident. Something that captures the atmosphere. I want it dark, but yet not psychedelically disturbing, because in empty cities there's nothing aggressive and disturbing - there's in fact some strange kind of peace there, but it's a deadly, uncomforting peace. I want music that has this atmosphere but is still progressing (meaning I do not seek dark ambient!). Somewhat "post-nuclear psy", you know? What tunes would you say fit in such a situation? (Yes, I confess, this IS inspired by those images of the abandoned Tschernobyl area...) I have only one example for the music that I'm looking for: Prex - S4. Dark music, but not too psychedelically dark, rather somewhat psychic dark if you know what I mean ... but not too dark yet, it's just ... the right stuff. Any recommendations? Please!

you people made me curious Concerning the genre I have to smile, for I have been thinking of that the synthesis of prog-psy and house will come already for more than a year and a half. And it's actually something I appreciate ... the groove is a very good contrast to the full-on and other aggressive blasting psy music of nowadays. I always have been on the prog side ... you know, it's good to run to. And I checked out D-Nox & Beckers (didn't know them before, seriously!). What made me curious was that Paul Van Dyk mentioned a track of them in an interview and now I see people on here talking about them and saying it's a merge between prog-psy and house ... sounded not uninteresting. Ckecked out their track Jet Lag Slave. And it's not bad. Indeed a merge between housish music and some prog ... yeh, not bad. Will check out more. (I KNEW I'd switch into more housy directions one day! I KNEW! I frecking KNEW!)

old news Jam & Spoon ... Jam & Spoon ... my goth, it's a looong time ago asI last heard those names... I can't remember anything of them ... must dig out the last remainings of my trance CDs...

dude, the live artist lineup list is longer than my list of artists I have seen live respect! have fun there

Seconded!

this might interest you ... it's much to read, but take a look: http://www.psynews.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=30703

Yep, Country Woods was the name ... and you're right about Rocky Pass / Summit too Genre description ... phew, that's hard indeed ... I'd say it's trance merged with synth-electronic ... somewhat ... but neither psy nor trance would define it exactly...