Spindrift

I already said, I think the idea tekk have with a folding comment system would be the way to address the problem....if there was a problem. Considering that 80-90% of the reviews with comments fit on one page i fail to see how anyone could justify putting in the effort into making such a system. As it is now it would just give the impression that the section is quite dead IMO. It would for sure be a lot less work to just be strict with moderation if some people cannot be asked to scroll thru the not directly relevant posts. For me personally when I look at a review also the short "this is crap" or "very nice" comments is just as valuable as the main review. I usually scroll thru all the track by track descriptions anyway. Even when people been making reviews with my own tracks I can't hardly be asked to read the many times quite nonsensical descriptions of how the track appears to the reviewer. There is exceptions with people who actually can write long and relevent reviews, but thats rare. So usually the chit-chat and comments is more valuable IMO.

A system that requiers zero moderation, thats of course a great idea. When you have that coded together there will be 1000's of forums, blogs and comments systems wanting to implement it for sure. I think your really on to something there

Of course a system like that would be great if there was a lot of posts. But considering that the review with the most posts on the first page of the 2005 section (shpongle) has 6 pages, and very few reviews have more than one page, is it really an area in desperate need for improvement?

Ok, then, if EP asked it to be removed he at least understood he was out of line and maybe need no warning, fair enough. The topic can be summed up very easily IMO: A storm in a waterglass. It's no problem if people say nice review if they like what someone wrote. It's not like the reviews have 50 pages of comments not relating to the release itself as it is now, so I really don't see what the fuzz is about. A system for reviewing the reviews would not be used that much is my guess.

I would be curious on what exactly I said that was considered out of line or offensive according to the standards of this forum and should actually have qualified me for a warning? Not that it's my business, it's your forum and you do what you like, ban and warn as much as you like. I just thought that EP's idea that "to avoid such situations a simple rule like keeping reviews clean from comments is a very simple and safe-proof solution" is incorrect and voiced my opinion. If you think you just add that as a rule when you sign up and people will follow it, then fine, but personally I don't think that will make any difference whatsoever. A moderator have to look for users that is making offensive and pointless comments warn and possibly ban them, and the line there will always be subjective. Maybe my comment about EP's continous pointless and non-constructive critisism against genres and artists he don't like was over that line, thats up to you to decide. I think most people here is very familar with that side of him, no matter if they find it funny or not. The thing it that it seems to me that that was exactly the kind of comments the old psynews review section was troubeled with. "so yet another kilarghhhhhhhh CD is about to see the light of day.... run, run for your life ph34r.gif" Maybe thats funny for some people who share the same disliking of an artist, but that can easily turn into a flame war, while it's a mystery to me it can happen with a comment like: "good review moni I'm a little impressed wink.gif" So if I ask to have travellers post deleted is he calls EP a drama queen again he will be safe from being warned? Sorry, but I fail to see the relevance. Again, I don't personally care if you ban traveller, EP or me. I just thought the situation looked really twisted and unfair and wondered why 100x more offensive posts never resulted in a warning discussion while travellers little comment did. Sorry if my perception of the situation is offensive to anyone, my intention is not to cause offense but since the situation seems unjust to me I say what I think. If that should be enough grounds for a warning, well....I can't honestly say I give a rats ass about if I ever can enter this forum again.

It looks like someone is getting prefered treatment here from both mods and owner. Thats always great for the community feeling. There is obviously people far more guilty for fueling up the arguement than traveller here I must say. When about the remarks that EP made to rain that later got deleted.....will he be warned for those as well?

I thought it was you who was one of the absolutley loudest opponents to moderation....what made you change your mind? I do agree that moderation is needed, but to take precautionary mesures by making some rules that you expect people to obey to does not work. Moderation have to be done by actually looking thru posts and see which ones is considered offensive. To be really fuzzy about if everything is 100% on topic is maybe better left to Isratrance. If you like that style of moderation why not sign up there again under a new nick? I remember the problems in the old review section, and it was certainly not that there was too much praise of the reviews themself that created the noise. Niether was it actual critisism of the reviewing style. It was people that liked to piss on genres and artists they did not understand or respect and like to argue about pointless things. Very similar to the kind of anti full-on comments that for example SOLO, EP, Kris and HandA tends to fill this forum and isratrance with. The way to deal with that kind of behaviour is to warn and ban the user before the place becomes the No 1 playground for all the bitter and twisted trolls out there.

This is IMO the most original and psychedelic music that been released in a long time. It sure makes me dance like crazy, and I'm sure it drives the crowd nuts nightime in the typical forest/jungle party just like his earlier tracks. Listening at home to dark is not really my cuppa, and in that sense this album don't fare any better. If I play it loud I just want to dance, and as background when doing things at home industrial dance music just don't work for me. The depth and grit in the production is one step beyond everything else in this scene, and the basslines has their own style, something that is extremly unusual nowadays, both in "darkpsy" and full-on. It reminds me very much of my roots, and the roots of dark psychedelic dance music and acts like Skinny Puppy, A Split Second, Frontline Assembly etc. I know a few producers, including myself, that have been very inspired from those acts, but nothing I heard comes close before to match that very delicate mix of grit, power, depth and beauty. So hat's of to Ghreg. This release confirmed the expectations I expressed in the promotional thread. This is the best release this side of the millenium so far IMO. I never ever called something the release of the year before.....but with this one I could just keep going on about how extraordinarily good it is.

After an extended summer break there are things happening lately at http://www.resonantearth.com again. 4 new tracks have been added: Malice in Wonderland is an Austrian trio producing intense night music. They contributed the track "Cold Nights". Zalabim is a Swedish producer coming out with some very original and twisted music. Check out the tracks "Lonley Stranger" and "Hide And Seek". Last but not least Macedonian act Uminum. Their track "E-Rectum" is like a mix of old-school and soumi but with their very own touch. Truly psychedelic morning music of their caliber is rare these days and I can't wait to hear more from these guys. Enjoy

Hi Jeremy, I'm looking forward to check this out. Usually there is extremly little progressive music that I find interesting and psychedelic, but your stuff is an exception.

I don't see why mone have to get rich to be a sell-out. Imagine that you make just enough to pay the rent and eat from producing and touring. Thats usually how it is for a successful full-on producer. Now, maybe you one day really feel like making an old-school album. You look at the maket for that, you notice that thee is no labels that can afford to give you a decent advance and get a decent number of copies out there. Probably not many of your current fans will not like it, and getting gig's would be a lot harder. Many people will rather cling on to carrying a star status flying aound the world playing full-on then getting a dayjob that pays about the same. So they adapt to the market, even if it doesn't make them rich. Same with the label owners. Usually they initially just like to release the music they like. But if you like o make a lving out of it, you are either a very mainstream person or you adapt. Forget about weird psychedelic night music or old-school and go for house or full-on to be able to live of running a label, o get a dayjob to have money to pour in to the label. Anyway...on the topic: Labels is nothing more than a PR organisation for artists in this scene IMO. Traditionally labels was a lot more important. You just could not record a decent record without the support fom the label, and no-one would hear your music if they didn't plug it to the radio for you and got it out in the stores. Now everyone have a studio at home themself and there is alternatives to radio and shops to get music out to people. So labels as such is superflous, and they should start working more to fulfill the functions they still have, PR and management.

Thats the problem with most old analogues. The pro-1 tends to be comparativly reliable in my experience. The prophet-5 for example is usually totally hopeless. I bought one the same time as NI's plugin version came out. After A/B testing them against eachother I very quickly sold the hardware version since it sounded awful in comparasion. Old synths many times sound tired, thats the reason it's better to go for modern analogues when i comes to hardware synths. For digital synthesis integrated DSP solutions is much more reliable and convenient IMO.

The stuff I heared done with the Doepfer modular sounded really good and exciting. It's hard to compare a modular with a simple monosynth though, even if they would use the same components. I have no interest in an SH101 really, but the 100m system is a complety different story even if it sounds like the same oscillators, filters and envelopes. For example modulation of oscillators and filters with audible frequencies can sound very different on different systems in my experience. Have you used a decently sized Doepfer system and done a lot of FM and stuff like that? I only heared very positive comments on the sound and expressiveness of the Doepfer modular, so I'm a bit curious what you base you view on. I cannot agree too costly with real analogue synths. Most of the digital machines mentioned here cost as much if not more than a real analogue. Last time I looked you could get a pro-1 for some $350. The ATC-1 was like $700 new in the shop. The original microwave is not so often you come across, but i seen it a few years ago for less than $1000. A small Doepfer modular system is like $1000-1500.

It's indeed crap that the faders only output sysex. Also the faders seem to be very low quality. I tried a couple of machines which both had a few screwed fades, and that was some 10yrs ago. If you get an exemplar today I would be amazed if it still was 100% working, and it will be damned hard to keep it that way. And although I liked the typical Pleiadians lead, I must say that I was never so keen on the JD800. It sounds great on it's own many times, but it was very hard to get sounds that actually fits nice in the mix. Somehow the sound is many times a bit uncontrolled and bloated. It's the filters that is the problem I think. But sure, with a bit of work it sounds very good on some settings, but I'm quite lazy and rather go with instuments that I find pleasing to work with.

Saikosounds did not want to sell it Or they said they where interested, I sent them a demo, but never got an answer even after repeated enquieries. So you'll have to check it out on http://www.resonantearth.com