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7% but they are bound to fall I think, they are to stupid to handle this publicity. Out of which obviously the "true" neonazis are much less. Anyhow it was the first time we had a leftist(not stalinist) party get 18%.

Lol ?

This, plus keep in mind procyon not everyone has to follow the german model or way of life. Also keep in mind that Germany has its blame about corruption as well (towards the south). I am not talking only Siemens here but also the fact that you loan money to someone and with these borrowed many he buys your products ... So you both take a big part of your loan back PLUS he owes you the money ... This is not 'corruption' technically but I think this shows that things are not black and white. As far as "respected" and "economist", it sounds like a joke when these 2 words are adjacent.

That's total bullshit for the most part of it, Ormion is right. I think you should stop paying so much attention to the media when it's about to form an opinion.

Not liquid % Future jazz&drum&bass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2SO_VqJClw

Liquid :

buy here : http://ka-sol.bandcamp.com/ New Ka-Sol album out of old exhumed unreleased material -)

Hah I totally missed that too I would only vote for Battle of the Future Buddhas - Diggin' Mud and D-Dave - Pleading Insanity though

I listened to it, I have no idea what it is and it doesn't sound like goa or psy at all, plus I think it's really bad hah why would you want to recognize that ?

Veracohr I like Botch a lot, some of the best hardcore really. Converge is a classic band in that genre as well : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeYfpFwJO0A

What about post-metal/sludge ? ^ Straight from Belgium, beatiful expression of ugliness Also, metalcore/hardcore/mathcore :

^ Nice Morphem - Out of Focus , whole album

I can agree for hiphop ... Still that 33 Funk is released 2012 and I consider it innovative, however I recognize it's the excpetion to the rule. Plus we have other fusions like glitch-hop experimental etc. About Rock that's a pretty superficial comment although excused since u haven't dug deep enough ( just look at how many fusions/sub-genres exist ). I brought the example of techno as well. Well, let's just hope psy will evolve in the future and it's just a phase... Let' see Hehe, then that's innovation by definiton, no ?

By rock u mean classic rock like Scorpions? Or use rock as an umbrella term for eg hard rock,psyrock,punk,metal etc? If it's the latter then it's obviously wrong. As for hiphop there has been innovation there as well at least until 2000. The answer is yes. Goa,dark,forest,suomi,minimal,prog, all are psychedelic trance. X-Dream mixed techno with psytrance and that was called tech-trance. If something has many elements of a genre it might be called like this.But even if it's not that genre, what does it matter? I agree. Never got into Talpa and this new song is below average for me sorry As much as your perception about psy being alive is subjective. When did I claim any objectivity?It is needless to say anything we speak is based on our own individual perceptions. It's dead for me and alive for you. Now that's contradictoy.At first you say it's not about innovation but the amount of releases that stand out. Meaning you don't have a problem with releases that follow the same formula as long as they do it well, but then you say you can't dig something that follows a 10-year recipe so you look for something different. I still listen to music I listened 5 or even 10 years before and I don't have a problem if something new follows the classic goa recipe for example but is executed well.Neo-goa is almost like that actually, with different production but I haven't found much stuff executed well.

Hm Anoebis I get your point but for me it was mostly the opposite. At first I liked pretty much specific sound (I was a sucker for melody), for example when I heard GMS - No Rules for the first time I was like what the fuck is that shit but now I like the sound. It's certainly true that the more music you hear the more critical you get but at the same time I get more diverse and open as well and that makes things complex and chaotic and more interesting hehe. Tatsu I will respond to u laters, for now I will only comment that 'innovative' is rather self-explanatory. To give an example most of the big psy/goa pioneers have been innovative one way or another at least a couple of times, and as for more recent examples, Derango,Electrypnose,Psykovsky and even Kindzadza as their started were for sure innovative.

Nice reply I liked that ) I have thought if I would ever get the skills to make a fusion of post-punk/hardcore/post-hardcore etc with psytrance. One's forms with other sounds etc. PsIDM or IDMpsy would also be interesting. I think only Electrypnose has been in these realms a bit with a couple of tracks from his innovative "psychill" (much more than that) album Subliminal Melancholies I am talking two tracks here, "New Wave" and "This is the beginning". Too bad none of them is on youtube, I might upload laters. Here u go : This was innovation back in 2006 http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwtKyr2qrLs http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P0jg7oIOHA Bluetech also did something similar in some of his most recent albums, a fusion of his usual chill sounds in IDM forms. The result was nice enough.

Is Psytrance suffering from fatal illnes mate?

Will check the tracks out soon-although neither used to be my cup of tea from what I've heard of them-, until then maybe that's a proof it's not dead, although the tracks are not 2012 but maybe even going back to 2008 etc with maybe some new tracks. EDIT# Which means it's not really a proof against psytrance fatal illness huh. But I just recalled it was a nice set and even slightly impressed me. http://soundcloud.co...rie-saint-bruno More on topic, I would love to see some discussion and opinions on my last relatively long wall of text. Prove me that this forum doesn't suffer from fatal illness too mates.

^ I think this is rather not necessary as a distinct sub-genre. I call Colorbox goa trance and I call MFG goa trance too, or cosmosis even which is even 'softer' than both MFG or Colorbox (@ Walkabout )

Also he mentioned psybreaks (which has like what, 10 albums?) but not dark psy or goa trance ....

I think he tries to get the psytrance point across more mainstream audience. But Grin.... Nice text otherwise

You forgot dark/night goa like Cydonia,UX,Kundalini and some Battle of the future buddhas & Schlabbaduerst Rekkords in general tracks

No worries mate -))