D-Dave

I'm not arguing with you, I agree it's hard to do well. No one would be happier than me if more people actually refrained from trying to make, and fail to do, such music.

Uff. Yes, some BotFB tracks have the horribly loud bassdrum, I know, and I'm sorry. I'm quite relieved however to say that Primetimeslime is not my track, it is made by Magnus. And yeah, Reversed Vertigo is pretty much a standard full-on crap one note bassline, but there are sounds in it you would never hear from any progressive/full-on/minimal/darkpsy producer so I cant be too bothered. Even though we try to go our own way, it's hard to not become influenced by where the rest of the genre is going. When you play live and you constantly have a weaker kickdrum than everyone else, you kind of have to adjust that. But our influences does not come from a single band or musical style so yeah, you will hear all sorts of things in our music. There are funky buddha-tracks, there are techno-ish buddha-tracks, there are minimal, maximal, morning music, night music, progressive, goa, psytrance, scary, noisy, industrial, breakbeats, australian-style, psychedelic, melodic, blissful and just plain stupid tracks. You can tell the individual songs apart, which is more than you can say about most full-on or darkpsy acts. If any of you call BotFB darkpsy btw, I'm personally gonna haunt you for a hundred years... And isn't it funny that BotFB coined the term forest trance as well? Founders of forest trance someone says. Or not, since we learned everything there is to know about music in the forest by Dj Jonas (Stone Age Records) and Ulf from Örebro, but yes, many tracks should be played in the forest, with 4 stacks of speakers that let the music meet in the middle of the dancefloor. No bouncing sounds from any walls, no limit on the effects you can put on the sounds or even the entire mix. Can't be arsed if you call BotFB goa or psytrance though, to me it's basically the same. Yeah goa may refer more to the old school style of psytrance, I dunno.

This is the first time I heard anyone call UX "Dark Goa". I'd call it psychedelic trance, or simply night music.

We basically agree, it's just a matter of semantics really. So let me try to be a bit more exact and clear and explain myself instead of just ranting. Whenever you copy something it becomes something that is not as good as the original, right? The copier tries to achieve what the original does, but will inevitably fail. Hence, the X-dream and GMS copies failed to sound as good as the original. The only way to go is to produce something of your own really, and that takes, if not skill, then at least innovation. No doubt there are more blatantly obvious GMS copies out there, but what I also refer to is the interest in the production style of X-Dream. Why did everyone suddenly raise the volume of the bassdrum after X-Dream entered the scene? Because everyone tried to emulate that phat kick of X-Dream that you mention, but they did not have the production skills, so the only way to go was to raise the volume to try and get the same effect... In that sense, almost every psytrance act since has tried to copy the production of X-Dream. Check the psytrance of 94-95 and that of 98-00. Huuuuuge production difference, and not necessarily a progression towards better music, nor a better feeling, mood, atmosphere. It is still quite easy to produce a loud kickdrum and a simple bassline - the one note bassline obviously being ridiculously simple... Thats the X-Dream influence. Add the GMS influence, some rhytms and some squeeky, squelchy fart sounds and you pretty much got the psytrance of the noughties... I can't help but think what would happen if X-Dream had not had that huge production influence on the scene. Personally I prefer when the midrange, where the melodies are, plays a prominent role in the production, not the bassdrum.

You are quite right. But to clarify. I could very well do with that kind of music during the night time of a party, cause it would fit perfect during, say 1-3 am. But not during dawn, and certainly not during the morning, and definitely not at any point or place for 18 hours in a row...

I dunno man, some of the early stuff X-dream did was great, and groundbreaking but it turned out in a bad way in the long run. Some of the early GMS stuff was also great, and as you say they evolved into something really shitty. The GMS style has been ridiculously copied, because it is really easy to just copy. Kick, bassdrum, rhytm and fart sounds. X-Dream did write way better songs than GMS, but X-Dream also "failed", despite making classics like "We created our own happiness" etc. What X-Dream did "wrong" was to have too much focus on the production side of the music. You could also hold the likes of Transwave and later on the "progressive" (nothing progressive whatsoever about "progressive" music though...) and minimal producers (Ticon and all sorts of swedish stiff shit) responsible for the terrible focus on kickdrum, bass and the GMS-style fart sounds. You had those people arguing that 44kHz 24 bit master files of tracks were inferior to 44kHz 32 bit files. It's close to impossible on a molecular level to tell the difference, but they were elitists. Clean sound > a fuzzy but magical melodie... Mastering with spectral analyzers instead of actually listening to the music... Around 1998-2000 people focused on the so called full-on side of trance, with the production (a loud kickdrum basically...) being way more important than any song writing skills, surprising twists and turns, invention, melodies or harmonies. The latter being, you know, the vibe that made up the old school goa music, both night and morning music. As someone stated above, cracked software lead to a lot of people being able to produce a psytrance track. And what was easier to copy than anything else? GMS and X-Dream. Admittedly everyone who tried failed and turn the genre into a repetetive nightmare with no progression, no journeys, no stories being told. And you're not gonna like this, but the big names also dropped the psychedelic drugs and started doing cocaine and alcohol and the music became even shittier, ie darkside, dark-psy, whatever, started to show its ugly face. Sure you can rock a party with X-Dream and Delta (for 1 or 2 hours), but you can not continue to play the exact same kind of music for 18 hours in a row if you want to have anything to do with psychedelic trance. My 2 not so humble cents after 17 years in the scene.

Now selling ALL Schlab compilations again, at varying prices.

Oh dear. There has always been the distinction between night and morning music in the music played in Goa. It all comes down to making a journey, music wise and also psychic wise. During the night there is supposed to be heavy and dark (...) music, which gradually turns to lighter and more melodic music, which is timed with the dawn and the morning. What you refer to as goa is generally morning music. When we (BotFB) entered the scene in 1994/95 we started out with making quite melodic, yet twisted music. (Check the BotFB facebook group for free wav-files of tracks from that time!) But we were drawn to the night music, being very inspired by Psyko Disko and other australian stuff. We made a lot of night music thinking there was not enough proper night music, but we were definitely not alone. There were hundreds of artists making dark music right from the start, but all the big names were the more melodic groups and artists. Neither X-Dream nor Parasense was the first to make dark psychedelic music. Maybe "darkpsy", whatever that means. Here's a list of artists and tracks I labelled as night music in my DAT-book from 95-97. Some of this might not be labelled as night music nowadays, but it's about the general feeling, and the oomph of the bass and the bassdrum. Also a general lack of melodies makes for a good psysical night track. Bear with me now, I'm on a roll and I'll just write down a lot of music that may be completely mislabelled, but it may be interesting for someone. Shaolin Wooden Men -NN (No name lol, great start) Ubar Tmar various tracks Alcaloid Sandman - Nostradamus (illegal mix) Ka-Sol - Professor Mephisto, Tracy Snake Charmer, We don't know etc etc etc Loads of BotFB, Church, Marchaos etc. Insearch - Spiritual Essence Cosmic Energy - No comprende Alienated - NN (man Alienated rocks, fucking kick ass hard stuff, with the right feeling) Nucleus - Dark Horse Cydonia - Frontline remix Indiadrop + Purple Oz (Tim Schuldt?) Sephalpod - Eliptical Orbits Neuro Electric - Elgar Pan - Qualia GMS - Jaws Alphanaut - Neurozap Planet B.E.N. - Questionmark and Trippy Future Garden (my ghod this still rocks my socks off) Reflecta - Itchy Witches of Androgenetica UX - Masters of the Universe Parasonix - Warp Phase Psyko Disko - Deep Brain - Special Go Man (or Brainman Go Special...) Mandragora - Whiteout (Johann Bley) Insectoid - New Wistas (Ray Castle) Rhytmystec - Plutonica (also Ray Castle) Juno Reactor - Millenium Mental Sparkle - Smells Electric & Greasy TIP - Noises remix Virtualizer - Dolphins Fata Morgana - Code of Consciousness Gravity Kills - Guilt Juno Reactor remix (still so insanely hard this one) Man - Children of the Night (pure evil) Greenhouse Effect - Spawn (Sandman?) Use - Exorcism Sun Project - The Suburbs Process - X1 The Visitors - Tiny Little Engines Manmademan - Scien (?) Squid - SXS Gangguru - Fear in the Dragons Forest (brilliant stuff, still unreleased iirc) Antedeluvian Rocking Horse - NN Excesshead - Chama (?) Lorenzo - The Fly (if anyone can find this one for me I'd be very grateful, my DAT-tape is destroyed...) Quirk - Dimension Disco Technossomy - Wet Textures (amazing raw first mix) Syb Unity Network - Limited Access to the Files (one of my favorites) Frequency Generator - Strange Days (brilliant, brilliant, brilliant!!!) Spect R- Tripbyrd (Tim Schuldt?) 4 Cary Nuts - Weird Egg (Tim Schuldt!) Deranger - Astral Rip van Hippy - Elemental Spirit Sandman - Nostradamus (some DAT-remix, not the released stuff) Deflo - Mono (lol, insane) Nervasystem - Stardust Proton - Starscrew Yeah well that's the interesting stuff. Then we have shit like Delta - As a child I could walk on the ceiling and other boring stuff. X-dream and GMS and their clean production and fart sounds destroyed the scene. /rant off, over and out

She's always been disappointing. Even back in the days (95/96) she made music to make money.

Ghost Story is out of print. Christer was making those, and he is too lazy to print new covers. BUT, I can offer you ALL Schlabbaduerst compilations again. To a lot higher cost though. I have to make single copies of Schlab 1,3,4 and 5, which makes everything a lot more expensive. I am soon out of copies of Schlab 2 and that will be forever, so I am continually going to raise the price of those, since I am sick of seeing people selling Schlab CDs on discogs for 50-70€ and I have only been charging 10€... So here goes a new price list. Schlab 1: 30€ (the cover is black, very annoying to make, and it doesn't become perfect, but this is what you get.) Schlab 2, 3, 4 and 5: 20€ Schlab 6 and 7: 12€ Shipping is about 2-5€ only. So contact me either by pm here or by an email to battlebuddhas@hotmail.com

It's hard to pick just one. There are many brilliant Ka-Sol tracks. A few of my favorites are: Summon the spin, Earth, Professor Mephisto, How did the fairytale end?, Puke in the dust, Hjärntvätt and Sunblock.

Oh and by the way, I still have copies of Schlab 2, 6 and 7 for those of you that want to order. Also Twin Sharkfins, Demonoizer and Psychoactive Scandosounds 1 and 3.

Send me a mail at battlebuddhas@hotmail.com Have Schlab 2, 6 and 7 for sale atm. Can possibly make copies of Schlab 3,4 and 5 as well, we shall see.

I suppose I should spread the word. Schlabbaduerst is still around, and we´ve got two groups on Facebook where you can find some unreleased and old tracks. On the Schlabbaduerst ReKkords group I have posted a DJ-set, and some Freak Brothers tracks etc. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12107835483 In the BotfB group you can find old versions of various tracks, as well as unreleased material. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Battle-of-the-Future-Buddhas/116409421764915 I´m finding it much easier to work on Facebook, since I am there all the time anyway. Cba with myspace or other stuff. More unreleased material will follow. Various fans have also posted different DJ-sets and mixes, so go and check everything out. Personally I have also started making music again, got two new tracks ready for mixing and mastering, called Idioti and Dante. One cute morning track and one mayhem night track. Also, we´re cooperating with an old friend of mine, DJ J´aime, who has started Abhasa Records. The first move of Abhasa is to re-release all Schlab releases, including Ka-SoL Ghost Story. Two compilations with various artists and a lot of Buddhas and Ka-SoL tracks will then be released and then we plan to make the move to Beatport so we can release stuff digitally.

Athens rocked everytime we were there. Think we fucked you up quite nicely down there. Was mental.

Awww stop being so fucking melodramatic! Its not exactly the end of an era, quite contrary there will be loads of unreleased tracks out there for you soon, only not released in the cd album format. Got at least 3 nice offers now and will take a closer look at what can be done during next week. And I havent said we will never make any new music, we probably will. Even tho it may not be recognisable as Schlab. Whatever that is. Can upload the industrial downtempo shit too, and it would be cool to get midi-files and samples from you for remixing. BTW, I am gonna work on remixing a heavy metal band soon.

Greetings fellow trancers, fans, freaks, retards, wankers, spankers and prankers! Its not often that I hang out on this forum any more, not really related to the scene much. Buddhas havent made a new track in a year and Ka-SoL is doing a little but it ends in ideas and not completed tracks. Its kind of that you come to a limit when you have made the same kind of music over and over, you run out of ideas. And personally I am really happy with some of the tracks we have produced over the years. There were some ideas I always wanted to create and after actually having done that rather perfectly there is no point in going on making copies of those tracks. Im personally thinking of Demonoizer, Master of Deception and Orebro Freak Factory (which already are kind of similar) as the quintessence of what I ever wanted to create. And almost every single sound and note in those tracks are exactly as I want them so...its done. What one has to do at this point is to create something new, or remix stuff, or produce others. I have indeed been experimenting with other kinds of music, mainly slow industrial electronic body music mixed with trance and techno elements. But thats not Schlab and not Buddhas. As of Schlab 8 and 9, its doubtful that they will ever be released as intended. We have some material and some unfinished tracks that we could release, but not as full compilations. :/ I am also thinking of publishing all unreleased tracks just somewhere on the web for everyone to download. Its better that people hear the music than its gathering fragmentation on my hard drive or dust on the DAT tapes. So if anyone have some web space and/or would like to make a download portal for this, let me know! Let the freak flag fly!

Im sure it started to go wrong when he started doing cocaine. Much like the other "stars" who started making shit music, but still thinking they are great.

Hahahahaha!

OMG, when were u born ppl? Of course its possible, of course a lot of bands have made music on acid, of course a lot of DJs have played their best sets on acid. Ffs, already The Beatles made music on acid. In the 90s it was more a rule than an exception that the artists took acid.

You HAVE GOT to listen to SHANGO by Snake Thing, it ALSO makes everything new sound old and tired. THE peak track imo.

Hehe use Paypal or transfer the cash to my account. Dont need any updates for that. Updating site now anyway though.

You can order the lot, in a few hours when I updated the site.

Yeah and its a real bastard of a track. We recorded the sounds from Marchaos WV Jetta, hence the name, which sounded like total shit. We got the fan, the doors, the engine, the radio, the vipers and ourselves screaming through the recording. And on top of that some Skinny Puppy samples and a lot of industrial sounds. Its pretty fucked up. Marchaos has no inspiration sadly. He tries to start but cant finish anything. However we started working on another Döda Hundens Kyrka track a few weeks ago, it may turn out to be something.

You´re wrong. It got nothing to do with this track, its Procs and Ifan, the first non-Uppsala artists to be included on a Schlab compilation. They just spewed this one out and it sounds a lot, as Ukiro hinted at.