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well actually i can 1) go to a pstrance festival 2) stand in front of the speaker. 3) listen to the music 4) take some lsd 5) wait about an hour 6) go listen to the music again theres your proof. also, as mentioned above. i am NOT promoting use of LSD or other drugs. in fact. dont take the above seriously. but those who have will understand what i mean. im not saying its good. im not saying its bad. im just saying it is.

exactly. blatant drug use is actually giving the whole scene a bad name. if you need to do it, dont be blatent about it. and people who promote it are stupid because thats not what the scene is about. do what you need to do, but the whole world doesnt need to hear about it. its because of blatent drug use/distribution that our parties all get crashed by cops.

yes, that is an excellent description. and very true.

im sure you must have had a good time, but it could not have been a psychedelic experience, as you do not do psychedelic drugs. taking the drugs doesnt spice it up. it enables it.

no. it changes your perpective, and the way you think for a few hours. so you can look upon situations and see them totally differently. this is not necessarily the right way...however....you now have the same situation but from 2 different perspectives (sober, and tripping). noticing the difference between the 2 perspectives is where the truth lies. lsd doesnt teach you anything you already dont know. it simply shows you. "hey, have you ever thought about it like this?"

exactly!!! thank you, thank you, thank you. you need to see how far out you can take your mind. and once youve been there. you will always rememeber it. and your mind will in a way always be able to semi-revisit that place. but if its never been there, how is it ever gonna revisit it?

thanks for you comments. i think "better" was in inadequate word. i think "fuller" is a better one. it is a fact that when you are on psychedelic drugs your perception is hightened. i.e. you can see "more" and you can hear "more". imagine if your brain was a broadband line. 512kps. when you are on lsd, your brain is probably a nice fat 2mb pipe. therefore experiences whiles on it (like listening to psy, or doing whatever) seem deeper, fuller and more "nutritious". in a way. there is no doubt in my mind that listeing to psy while high (hey that rhymes!) definitly sounds fuller and deeper. its supposed to.

thanks for that captain obvious

ok im a little put off by this to be honest. "these who take drugs will always say" as if we are over a different line, or different to you because we have taken and you have not. speaking as if we are all misled, because we have taken drugs and now everything in our lives revolve around it. the bottom line is: you dont know. and youve already made your mind up and thats fine. but people on the forum are mature and honest ive noted. we are not going to promote drug use in a "crack-addict" type fasion. we dont promote it in anyways. we only state our personal opinions (btw. LSD is practically non-toxic and non-addictive. just so you know). you do not need to take psychedelics to have a good time....but you do if you want to have a psychedelic time...which is usually a very good time. and you say, if you can not experience something without drugs that it doesnt exist. exactly dude, who the hell said something has to be real for it to be fun? so long as you KNOW that its not real. there is no problem. taking psychedelics at LEAST ONCE, is sort of a right of passage into "the other side". everyone who has been there, understands what it is. and they get it. if you havnt done it, you dont get it. and youll never get it. as simple as that.

exactly, it would be for scientific evaluation and experimentation. and not for recreation. this way we would be learning something from it. and it wouldnt be a "druggy" thing. it would be for "closure" and for an educated and founded discovery of the truth. i am keen

well...yes. you are. it is impossible to experience psychedelia without psychedelic drugs. especially if you have never done any psychedelics before. i find that writers who use drugs for inspiration (and a LOT of them do, try some of Hunter S Thompsons stuff) is VERY profound and thought provoking. taking a lot of psychedelics "strips away all the bulls1t" from your perception and you start to see things for how they really are. of course you run the risk of becoming clinically insane, but thats a risk a lot of people take for the truth.

i think thats the best suggestion ive heard all day. no better way to resolve an issue than sitting in a circle in nature,having a grownup discussion, twisted out of our fragile little minds. im there like a bear mate.

...what? the only reason XTC is dangerous is because it is poorly manufactured in someones bathtub. not in scientific conditions. if manufactured correctly and dosed to each individual person correctly by a doctor. it wouldnt be half as dangerous. Music being the drug of the future? i seriously doubt that. music is great, and it does effect you. but not nearly as much as pumping designer chemicals into your body. unless the music is going to get me so fcuked up that i cant walk, the walls start breathing and my best friends head keeps turning into a goldfish...id rather stick to what works thank you....

For me, its even MORE about the music. psychedelic music works best when you are on psychedelics. it sounds better. fact. which is why i do it. its the only way to really experience the music. you hear in a much wider range. you can hear every sound crystal clearly. its just sounds way better when you are on psychedelics. and thats not even a matter of opinion. thats just the way it works.

true. if they legalise most drugs. new underground illegal drugs will come out. there will always be illegal drugs around. its such a large business that they will create new drugs when others arnt being sold because they are legal i was watching a show in london about that they might legalise ecstacy in the future. but it would be pharmacutically produced (clean of all rubbish chemicals) and it would be dirt cheap. ecstasy is sold on the streets for around a 1000% profit mark up. cocaine is sold for around the same influx in price. if it was "goverment issue" a gram of coke would only be like £5 instead of £50.

umm....No. psychedelia is a feeling yes, but this feeling is brought about by psychedelic drugs. any other feeling is not a truely psychedelic one. if you can obtain a fullblown psychedelic experience WITHOUT drugs....then my friend....i think you need to see the doctor....

exactly. i hate it when people think that taking drugs make you cool. in fact, even though i have dabbled myself. taking drugs is NOT cool at all. the fact you have to put some foreign chemical into your body to have a good time is pretty sick really. its all down to what-makes-you-happy. if you like being on drugs at parties, do it. if you dont, dont. it doesnt make you better. it actually just means its more difficult for you to have a real good time, because you need to take something im not preaching though. i am very guilty of this myself. but i know that its not a good thing. i just know HOW i want to have fun. and i do it my way. i dont judge others so long as they dont judge me. i have a lot of very close friends who dont take drugs at all and they have a f**king field day at trance parties..

in my opinion, having fun shouldnt be difficult. it should be the easiest thing possible. i have been to psy festivals and have been clean, and i know what you mean when you say, you feel like a child having fun. running around, playing, laughing, tossing a frisbee around. yeah. you dont need drugs for this. true. you do not need drugs to have an absolutely wonderful time. i do it everyday. however. if for you, fun is.... 1) euphoria 2) wonderful colourful, humourous hallucinations 3) synesthesia (when all your senses mold into one, seeing music, hearing colour etc... 4) complelte shift in perception and thought pattern 5) general feeling of being pretty wasted then my friend, you need to consort to drugs. because those symptoms cannot be obtained any other way.

which is why i cant understand why some people get very upset with me when i say that drugs play a very important role in the psychedelic trance culture. they are all "its not about the drugs". true. its not about the drugs. its about the psychedelic experience.....but to access the experience.....you need psychedelic drugs. *duh* flame me to death. whatever. that is the truth. some people just dont accept that. its true that once you have accessed that experience, you may not need to access it again. because you "know". but if you have never experienced true psychedelia (and yes, unfortunately that means, if you have never taken psychedelic drugs)...then in my honest opinion, you may think you understand what its all about. but you dont.

i agree, but we are talking about a true "psychdelic experience". if the user has convinced themselves that they have tapped into this perception without the use of psychdedelics, whatever he/she is experiencing is NOT a "psychedelic experience". even though they may think and beleive that it is. and we are talking about an actual true psychedelic experience. not what someones own unfounded idea of it is. it would be like believing a lie. you cannot obtain a fullblown psychedelic experience without the use of some kind of psychedelic drug. through years of training and meditation and sensory deprivation and fasting etc. you can actaully start to "live" in a semi-psychedelic state. but even then, it wouldnt compare to taking a single dose of LSD for example. ...and that is why drugs cost money

i wouldnt even have bothered with the "Errrr...." theres nothing to think about.

i disagree. their own personal perspective would not be a true psychedelic one. perfect in its own way. but not truely psychedelic. you can only know what psychedelia is once you have experienced it. and sorry folks, unfortunately, you DO have to take drugs to do this. sorry

dude, i stay in the UK too, and its true, decent psy events are hard to come by, but there are loads if you look hard. go to www.accessallareas.org you can see listings of a lot of psy events in the uk. you can even purchase tickets for it. thats where i find out about parties. that and if your in Camden Town at all in London. visit the Pychedelic Dream Temple. they have loads of party listings there. hope that helps.

....*tear*....i didnt know you cared..........thats very romantic of you....

lol eleria! are like "the oracle", when it comes to this kind of stuff. as for achieving the same state psychedelic state without drugs....im not so sure about that. if we could do that....well....none of us would use drugs would we?