Lemmiwinks

errr.... you sure these sites are LEGAL mike? SMI²LE

Hallucinogen - In Twist??? SMI²LE

PLUR 4 in Belgium... actually it was you and Mugmez and Ka-Sol... I can assure you you gave me the most intense bad trip of my life!! fucking scared the shit out of me!! For about 2 hours I was so scared I didn't dare come back in the main room (and I'm not kidding!!) SMI²LE

hehe yeah especially since here they mostly get insulted and are made fun of... It's a really tough crouwd here on psynews SMI²LE

ah cool, that's a lot more reasonable SMI²LE

yes actually... If you scroll down a bit you'll see that one member of Ballt of the Future Buddhas anwers posts (D-Dave). Also regulars have included Elysium (EP) and Psysex (Mr. Hanky)... but they don't come that often anymore (or chose another nick to hide their fame) SMI²LE

LOL basically everyone who replied to my thread posted a different definition ranging from oldschool to eurotrance!! So what will it be? SMI²LE

hehehe D-Dave's idea of making "happy music" is inserting South Park samples between (very dark and evil) tracks in his sets... I've seen you at work Davie boy SMI²LE

OK progressive psy then... SMI²LE

Now this one has been bugging me for a long time... just what the hell is the term "progressive goa" supposed to mean? Is it minimal? Or is it the kind of music that starts minimal and gradually builds up to full on in the end (like Parasence or Human Blue)? SMI²LE

yeah Hashhead could you please re-post your message in the off-topic section? SMI²LE

Yes, Hels got it right 100%!! SMI²LE

yeah of course but it's still not a very nice thing to do... I mean an artist (especially a psy artist) is one thing and a mass market salesman is something else SMI²LE

true shpogled, but I find it a scam to release crappy stuff under an older name which is associated to a certain style just to cash in on former glory... If they stick to labeling it Joujouka it's no problem since most people already know the style they're into but don't release Joujouka stuff under the name "Prana" to sell more records... SMI²LE

hehehe I doubt you'll ever find 2 persons who agree 100% on a genre list... anyway, here's mine based on years and years of psytrance listening: morning trance: well, there are 2 categories in there... sub-subgenre 1 is the "real" morning trance as purists would say (call it "tribal" to make the difference), rather slow BPM, never above 120 and very relaxed airy feeling, with a lot of nature samples. examples: Feuerhake, Kode IV, Zorba, Bodh Gaia, Element, Son of the Light, 1200 Micrograms - Ayahuasca... (this is also what comes closts to the "original trance" that was played in Goa in the early 90s) sub-subgenre 2 (my favorite!!) , (also called israeli-trance cause most artists making it were from Israel, or simply melodic trance, although this is changing now) is more dancefloor-oriented, the kind of music that's played in parties when the sun rises: fast, between 130 - 150 BPM, usually very emotional and "catchy". Usually you go home from a party having that tune in your head. Examples: Yahel - Last Man in the Universe, Chi AD- Eye am the I, Astral Projection - People Can Fly, Zorba - Datora, Space Tribe Vs. Electric Universe - Alkaloid Experiement, Transwave - The Rezwalker, UX - Masters of the Universe, Ra -ROM, Dimension 5, Man With No Name - Teleport... (you can probably tell by the tracklist that this is what was usually called "goatrance" around 1996 by record labels that thought they coined a new "hip" term) 3D Vision-style/ Full-on (called like this because the label "3D Vision" specialized in this kind of music, but then they were copied by many labels): fast 140- 150 BPM, melodic but more harsh-sounding, more on the agressive side of things (and some would say "more E-oriented"). Examples: Talamsaca - Come On, Absolum - Drumatrix, Nomad, GMS, Alien Project... Minimal: more techno-oriented, a lot less "challenging" then the other styles, more bass-driven. You really have to pay attention to details to enjoy the subtle changes, otherwise it seems like a repetitive bassline and nothing much happening. However if you pay attention and have an excellent sound system that reveals everything that's in there (or take an E...) you will find this style very rewarding!! This style hit us around 1998, and some loved it and considered it was a welcome change to the usual melodic stuff, others found it had nothing to do with "psy". From 2000 to 03, about 90% psy releases were minimal, but this is changing now. Anyway, that doesn't mean you can't find artists that are doing good stuff... Examples: X-Dream - Radio (the one that started it all IMO), Shiva Chandra - Gecko, MOS - Drive, Ticon - Elt,... Psytekk: kinda like minimal taken a step further... it's even more techno oriented, hell some tracks are pure techno if you ask me, and (like techno) it's a lot faster and noisier than minimal. Examples: X-Dream - Thorazin, Kopfuss Resonator - Monocain, Son Kite - Driveshaft Nitzhonot - Well, most people will say this isn't really psy... it's done mostly in Israel and Greece and it sounds like kids playing around with cartoon-samples and melodic psy ideas, but not something very coherent. It's sorta like melodic/ israeli trance pushed to the limit of commericalism. Examples: Eyal Barkan, Holy Men, Cyan,... Industrial goa - Harsh, dark-soudning goa, with distorted noises, fast, indsutrial-inflenced. Examples: Battle of the Future Buddhas, Tim Schuldt - Single Collection, Ka-Sol,... Finish trance/ aussie trance/ Psyharmonics stuff: (called like this cause most artists doing it are from Finland/ Australia/ or usually release their stuff on the labe Psyharmonics): Very wierd trance, with a lot of crazy and innovative ideas, very random, doesn't seem like it's "going somewhere". Some love it, others utterly hate it. Examples: Texas Faggot, Haltya, early Space Tribe, Shaolin Wooden Men, Loopus in Fabula, Odd Harmonic... ... well, there you go, this isn't perfect, but it will allow you to clasify about 90% of the releases out there... SMI²LE

ah yes I see... well I liked that Leprachaun War Dub track you made, it would be cool to have a whole album of "evil dub" SMI²LE

yeah it's a pitty that one of the godfathers of goa decided to take "new directions"... well at least they don't copy today's goa style like 99% of artists who were in the scene from day 1... And actually there HAS been a "new" release under the name Prana last year!! Prana - Taiyo (Joujouka Rmx) on the compilation Sounds of the Sun... needless to say it was pure crap and had NOTHING to do with the original Taiyo except the name. And yes it was funky house During half of the track you have a dude with a voice box saying "Get get down get down, get get down get down..." SMI²LE

hey man I'm glad to hear that!!! Nice to see that Romania is slowly becoming an important part of the global scene SMI²LE

I mean AMBIENT SMI²LE

AMBIANT schlab??? SMI²LE

nah I have Midi Milliz and Spiralianz but I find that they don't even come close to The Delta's style... The Delta (well, the tracks I like from them) play a lot with dark atomspheres, Midi Milliz and Spirallianz have a more "shallow" music, more neutral and techno-oriented, it doesn't give me any mental images when I listen to it SMI²LE

OK so back in the days there weren't loads of videos by goa artists but still there were a handfull going around (AP - People Can Fly, Prana - Boundless, GNOTR - Rock Bitch Mafia,...) So today theoretically psytrance is a LOT more popular than it was in 96, and it's a lot more commercial... yet there are NO new videos!! (well, except for the BLT one which is what inspired my post So why is that? Don't tell me that it's for commercial reasons cause Alien Project is much more apealing to the masses than Astral Projection a few years ago... SMI²LE

"I'm sure there already are artists pushing back the boundaries" yeah well that's exactly it IMO, people rely on artists who broke boundaries years ago by hoping that they are gonna break new boundaries with their new release... but that's never the case... You always need fresh blood to do new revolutionary stuff... SMI²LE

well if this can comfort you, I personally found that the worst CDs I bought was new stuff by artists who used to be masters ie. AP - Amen, new Dado (Deedrah), new Christophe (Absolum), new Etnica, new Graham Woods (Blowfish), new MWNN, new Bilbo Bagginz (Mumbo Jumbo), new Total Eclipse, new Shakta... they ALL dissapointed me bigtime!! Actually I find it a good idea that an artist just stops completely when he runs out of ideas rather than merely make a mediocre copy of the stuff around today... at least that way their fans still respect them and they go down memory lane as true artists... Imagine you would've bought some CD with the name "Pleiadians" on it and thought it'd bring back the lost feeling of real trance only to see it's just another clone of the GMS style... SMI²LE

OK OK Astrix's Eye to Eye was pretty good back in 2002, even I praised it a lot in the reviews section (my reviewing alias is moondancer in case you didn't know). However the apreciation was mainly because at the time 90% of new releases were dark minimal so it felt great to blast out for once some happy melodies... but things changed a lot in the last 2 years and hoards of new producers are making almost the exact same sound so when you listen to it today it seems very mediocre... well that's my 2 cents on the subject SMI²LE