Lemmiwinks

well actually, "entheogenic" is a more "refined" term for "psychedellic" (drugs) so I think the artists were thinking about something else when choosing their name... SMI²LE

oh man I checked out a few tracks and they're killers indeed!!! Thanks for your recomendations!! It's a welcome change to all those israeli clones... SMI²LE

I think you forgot the most important part in D-Dave's statement, r2d2: "I dont use drugs today, I dont need to. " why not think about that? SMI²LE

well, I guess we're all entitled to our own opinions BTW I'm just listening to the new MWNN and from everything you've mentioned, I found that the track Visit to the Moon comes closest to that oldschool feeling yiiihaaa!!!! SMI²LE

"Twerps like you deserve all the insulting comments there are, make no mistake. Twerp. " how mature of you well, OK, taking everything you said... you call "blasphemy" the fact that I draw parallels between the states described in buddist books and states attained when under LSD... I really wonder why you get so upset about it? First of all, I suppose you've never tried LSD so you can't know what I'm talking about. Second, judging by you negative posts (not just this in topic but oin general), I think it's obvious that you've never reached those states described in buddhist books either... So then how can you judge me??? Not only that you're not in the position to call it "blasphemy" but you're not even in the position to tell me anything on the subject, except your own opinions based on your own suppositions (something I did in my initial post with all the "IMO"s). But I guess that's all the vodka talking... you really should try some acid for a change ;-) SMI²LE

aha, thanks for clearing that out, and nice to see you're posting regularly again ;-) SMI²LE

well if you don't give a shit about budhism then why do you spend your time criticizing people talking about it??? It would've seemed obvious to me that somewhere in your head you adopted budhism and felt an outrage to see that people talk about it so lightly... but now you seem to say that apart from a bit of objective knowledge on the subject (like your course at uni) you don't have much to do with buddhist beliefs... so then what's the point of all you insulting comments??? You need help bro... SMI²LE

Yeah with that attitude, Eminem would say he's a buddhist too... "I'm a buddhist mother fucker!!! Don't fucking say that I'm not a buddhist or I'll fuck you momma in the ass and I'll fucking stab her in the back 50 times and cut her fucking neck in front of your eyes, you mother fucker you!!!" Yeah sure... I strongly suggest you re-read your course in buddhism then... believe me, what you feel on LSD is a LOT closer to what's described in buddhist books than your attitude. Yes, I DO happen to know a few buddists, I have taken some meditation classes and meditated on my own so I DO know what I'm talking about... well at least it seems to me after reading your agressive posts that I know a bit more on the subject than you... I don't know what's in your head? Do you think buddists are some war-hungry freaks who go around insulting and killing people? Maybe you mistook the word "buddism" for "US Army"? No really, I'd really like to know what's going on in your head cause I'm pretty confused... SMI²LE

oh and after re-reading these posts, I'm getting the feeling that non-drug users who posted here seem to have some inferiority complex which make them become agressive to drug users in their posts. Let me make it clear now: people who do take drugs, simply say that you're missing out on something big, but they don't in any way say that they're superior to non-drug users. You are NOT a better person if you feel the music differently, you just have a new experience, but of course, that says nothing at all on your qualities as an individual. As a parallel, a person who has a car is in no way a superior person to someone who prefers using a bike. It's just different, that's all. SMI²LE

BTW it seems to me pretty logical that Starship 202 be released under the name Etnica since Starship 101 was released by Etnica too, not Pleiadians. So I guess that a Crop Circles album is out of the question then... SMI²LE

well for it it'd be at max 6 times a year... add to that the fact that sometimes I'm not in the mood for LSD (problems in my personal life, feeling down, etc...) and the number goes down to about 4 times a year... that's why I cherish those moments so much SMI²LE

yeah I now what you're talking about, it sucks IMO. Maybe try Battle of the Future Buddhas and Flying Scorpions? Menog is good too SMI²LE

"drugs are only shortcuts, only short term solutions, and after a while you (both your body and mind) will hit the wall, or a hurdle you won't be able to jump over because you are falling apart" of course of course, but how many people our days have the time to go on top of a mountain and meditate for 20 years?? Like Maak ku Paax said, "Every excess is bad for sure. Moderation is the key." If you start doing 1500 micrograms of acid every day, then yes, you'll be fucked for life, but take, say, 75 micrograms every 2 months and I doubt you'll ever get any damage whatsover, you'll certainly get a lot less than smoking weed and drinking alcohol every day... Now the main aproach IMO is to try psychedellics, see the state of mind you're in when high, and then try to consciously attain the same state of mind when clean. It's not easy, but it's possible, and a LOT easyer (since you already know how it feels when you get there) than trying to reach it without ever doing drugs. Actually if you read Carlos Castaneda's books, you'll see a similar aproach: in the first books, he takes mescaline and such, afterwards, his mentor explains to him that that was only one very direct way to reach those states of mind because he was so hard headed, but that he could've got there by other methods as well if he was more "acceptant". That's also the reason why IMO you get posts from some people saying that they've been high for like a year or 2 and that now they can dig the music in the same way when clean. I sure hope I'll get there too (again, I'm not adocating drug usage, I'm merely pointing out an example, but whatever floats your boat is fine) SMI²LE

listen to that Starship 202 track first, thaigeta, you'll be surprised SMI²LE

"trying to take drugs while listening to music just to see if it feels better,is too risky and dangerous(health and legality) especially for the one who never took drugs" of course Dark clouds, I totally respect your opinion, I'm not pushing anyone to take anything. I was merely saying that you should try it before giving your opinion on the subject. So you can either try it and give your opinion or not try it and not give your opinion. But I don't imply in any way that people who've tried drugs are somehow "superior" to people who never did and don't have the intention of doing drugs. SMI²LE

"But now, all of a sudden, you're the fuckin' reincarnation of Doctor flippin' Hoffman, with all this world-embracing neo-hippy bollocks with plasbhemy towards Buddhist beliefs on top? Haha, pathetic gimps don't get much more pathetic than that." now here's an example of someone who listens to psytrance and obviously never done psychedellics... see what I mean? ;-) SMI²LE

"psychedelic lovers don't use drugs. Never!" he he he yeah sure, that's why it's called PSYCHEDELLIC I suppose that Hallucinogen never used any hallucinogenic substances either... me: I try to limit myself to one "dose" ever 2 months. By "dose" I mean anything, ranging from one or more Es to one LSD blotter or E + LSD at the same time... But say, if I did only acid this month, then I won't take anything else in the following 2 months, be it Es or acid or whatever. Am I making any sense here? SMI²LE

Etnica - Starship 202!!!!! which, as the name suggests, is a return to the roots of Etnica... You can find it on the Holographic Memory compilation. No new Pleiadians/ Etnica aside that, from what I know But it's good to see that they're coming back to their roots and abandoning that progressive fad. SMI²Le

well, related to the topic below... IMO psytrance doesn't have as much to do with religion (especially buddhism) as psytrance on acid does. Because acid and psychedellics in general make you feel all the concepts that buddhists talk about: oneness with nature, love for everybody and everything, loss of the perception of time and space, etc. But this has more to do with the drugs than the music, IMO a person into, say, heavy metal and acid is more inclined to adopt the buddist beliefs than someone into psytrance and clean. SMI²LE

"there are some people who go to parties only to take drugs and dance..they dont listen.. i have met that kind off people..and if some time the don't have money to take drugs..the just don't go... at their home the dont listen psychedelic music..you know what am i talking about? " ah yes, now that's something completely different indeed. I too know a lot of people listening to Eminem and shit when "normal" and only listen to electronica at parties when high. Indeed I'm not very fond of people like that, although I guess we're all free to do whatever we want... SMI²LE

and the roots of this music and parties go further than the 60s actually... they climb all the way to shamanism and the way they took psychedellic substances and then watched an open fire and had the shaman sing songs which influenced their trips. This is something that's been with us since the beginning of mankind. Goatrance is only the "most refined" form to date. Didn't you ever wonder why only goatrance has so many "feelings" to it: some is dark, some is happy, some is crazy, some is mellow, etc. It's ment to influence your state of mind, and it influences a lot more when you're high. The whole structure of playing dark music during the night and melodic when the sun rises comes from the death- rebirth experience that again was used in sects and mystical societies for ages (try reading some stuff on the Hashishin sect in the 11th century)... Psychedellics aren't just a fad, they've ALWAYS been with human kind and always will be, and without them, human kind would be very very different, believe me. SMI²LE

well, with everything that soliptic and Daniel said, I can't think of another argument without giving the feeling that this conversation is turning around in circles... I just reaffirm my statement that you can NOT give your opinion on something you've never tried, I don't care what your arguments are. You can't say that driving is no big deal if you've never driven yourself, you can't say that being a pilot isn't so complicated if you've never been in a plane cockpit and so on. If you REALLY want to give your opinion on something, first try it out and then give your opinion. Untill then all you're doing is talking nonsense. And yes, like soliptic said, I wasn't saying that you can not enjoy goa without drugs (I thought that was clear when I said that I listened to it for 6 years before I did psychedellics...), just that your whole perception of this music changes dramatically and yes, I find it a lot better. Not only that, but then when you're sober, you can recall the way you heard the music when high and see why they made it that way (I'm talking about GMS for example...). Now I'm not some freak who takes acid every day, I only do it about once every 2 months and yes, in between I still discover new music and like it very much. just that when high it's a completely new experience. SMI²LE

"Who the f**k are you to say that?" I'm someone who's been on both sides of the fence. I've been listening to goatrance for 7 years and I've tried psychedellics less than a year ago. Yes, I did apreciate this music a LOT without psychedellics but I can tell you that when you're high, you really feel like it's the first time that you really HEAR the music. Like I said, take an E and put on your favorite album and see for yourself. And yes, people who haven't tried something and tell others that it's not a big deal really piss me off. How can they say that if they haven't tried it themselves??? I'm not just talking just about drugs, so-called "experts" on sects who've never put their foot into one but write books on how their guru is very evil and shouldn't be trusted piss me off too, and I have more examples... too tired now and going to bed, but I'll come back with more tomorow SMI²LE

what a bunch of crap!!! I so hate this "the music and the vibe would all be exactly the same without psychedellics" argument!!! Let me tell you something: acid made the 60s revolution, without it you wouldn't have had so many people talking about peace, love, unity, respect. I mean, sure, you'd always have people thinking like that, but it would've never been such a mass phenomenon. And that's just for the attitude, now let's talk about the music: psytrance relates to psychedellics in 2 ways: first of all, it's a continuation of psychedellic music of the 60s, of course it's very changed today, but the whole concept of multi-layered songs which seem to "take you on a trip" comes from back then. No acid would mean that a lot less artists would've tried to make such music. Again, I'm not saying that NOONE would've thought abut the concept, just that it wouldn't have been such a mass phenomena. Second of all, psytrance comes directly from the hippies that installed themselves in Goa: they listened and promoted the music and artists got their inspiration from the music played there. Without all this, I suppose that talented artists would've still made some interesting form of electronic music, but it sure wouldn't have been goatrance, I assure you!!! And before explaining to everybody how this music is the same with or without psychedellics, I strongly advise you to take a few Es or acid, then go to a goa party, and THEN tell me what's the difference. Before you do, shut the hell up cause you don't know what you're talking about!!! You sound like someone who's never taken a course of physics in his life talking about how Einstein's theory or relatvity isn't such a big deal... SMI²LE

Arabic Warrior is very good!!!! Rest are pretty mediocre though... have any more? SMI²LE