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Dirty Motion's track is insane! Kode Six is great. And I agree that Twisted is good, but not their best. I agree in everything else.

The Polyphonia track is one of the best darkpsy tracks ever.

The MMC cover looks like Pollock on acid!

That was too easy, huh?

See? I knew it! I remember reading about it in a review some years ago. Ok my turn. Which is the most famous goa troll?

1) Trilithon indeed are revolutionary, but I can't see what their style have to do with CM. 2) Sandman music is and remains revolutionary, but apart some metalic/dark sounds I don't see any resemblance with IM. 3) I already told you like a million of times that ther reason CM is revolutionary isn't because they added synths from a popular genre of music hundreds of years old. Dracul doesn't even have any piano line or other classical organ in it, except some symphonic synths in the start, yet it's the only real classical psy I have ever listened. Bye , bye now.

I know that man, don't worry. I'm not attacking you either. Sorry If I sounded harsh. The reason I'm asking which are your revolutionary albums is to trying to understand what's the definition of revolutionary psytrance album according to you.

I don't see any reason to break down Classical Mushroom into details. Because details never been revolutionary. What do you expect me to say? That CM is revolutionary because it used a different hi-hats pattern or because it had flawless mastering or something like that? No, I already said why CM is revolutionary for me and it's a pretty strong statement. Can you give me some examples of revolutionary albums according to you?

You know what? That's right. IM only had better production. Oh yes their music is similar to MFG or Tarsis. How didn't I see that before? And GNOTR. Yes GNOTR and IM are one and the same. NOT! :wank:

So for you revolutonary is the album that first used hi hats? Cause according to that theory NONE goa artist is. Goa/psy trance is a specific genre. Diversed sure, yet specific. What is revolutionary psy or not, is what is revolutionary inside this genre. I guess for you revolutionary is only: 1)The first artists that are responsible for the creation of goa trance (which I agree) 2) An album so revolutionary that changes every given psy formula. Have you ever thought then that this album won't be psytrance anymore then? And to answer your question. Classical Mushroom is revolutionary cause it adapted classical elements (elements not samples) in it, without changing the fact that it remained a psytrance album. No one did that before, yet many did (or tried to do it) after. This is what is revolutionary for me.

You just described Classical Mushroom.

This is my last reply in this thread because there's not use to continue this discussion. After the ''creation'' of a music genre onc in a while an artist/group releases an album that differs so much from the norm. This is what IM did IMO<-See? I wrote IMO. Back in 1998 (the year bwhale was born) when the Psycho track was released it was something so fresh and original that no other (at least known) goa track sounded similar. When the Gathering was released more of the tracks in there were something new. Not because of the 'IM sound'. Every artist back then had his own sound. But because it changed so much the goa formula that most ppl (including me) don't classify Gathering as goa. Its melodies didn't have the oriental feeling of most goa tracks, but they had a more classical sound in them (check out the whole Montoya (remix) track) or the final part of Return Of The Shadows. One year later they released Classical Mushroom, which it was something out of the blue. Not because they added some classical samples in th tracks. Big deal. But how they created a new Classical psy theme. Check out Dracul for example which is the closest I can think of a Classical psytrance without adding any real organs! (Except some symphonic synths in the start). bwhale dislikes IM, which I completelly understand and that he believes that IM are copycats. Just because I dislike some albums that doesn't change the fact that these albums created their own unique sound, leaving behind the classic goa formula. Planet BEN-Trippy Future Garden is one revolutionary album, but I never really liked it THAT much. Xenomorph-Cassandra's Nightmare is one revolutionary album, but I know many ppl who hate this kind of dark stuff. Does that change the fact that is revolutionary? Just my 2 cents, bye bye now, enjoy fighting with the troll

How do you manage to do that? It's impossible for me to have an unopened cd in fron of me.

Hey trollguy! The reason that Classical Mushroom is revolutionary is not because they added classical parts in the music. Is how they fitted the whole classical concept into the psychedelic genre. They didn't just add a piano line over a psy bassline. Nor some violin notes along with the synths. Go listen to Dracul and Bust A Move and tell me if you have ever listened to something similar before. No? Then it's revolutionary.

Ok, if Classical Mushroom is generic for you then I quit.

And btw. Taste has nothing to do with our opinions about what is revolutionary or not. Here is an example: I never really liked Shpongle, I like them in a normal amount and only specific tracks. But that doesn't change the fact that Are You Shpongled? is revolutionary and I agree with that 100%. I can't deny it, why? Because it was the first of its kind. Classical Mushroom was revolutionary. Taste has nothing to do with it.

I don't think anyone said that IM are responsible for the creation of psychedelic/goa trance. You got it all wrong. And if you think that pioneers are only the early artists then I respectfully disagree. Even post 2000 there are pioneer and revolutionary albums. And just because we said that IM are pioneers doesn't mean we believe they are the only pioneers. The fact that IM released an album so fresh and new in 1999 actually proves how much pioneers they really were. When goa trance first ''created'' back in 1993/1994 everything sounded revolutionary and new, since there wasn't an existing similar music to compare. But in 1999, 5-6 years after the goa trance ''creation'' and hundreds of albums and thousands of tracks IM released an album that sounded like no other. If this not the definition of ''pioneer artists'' then which is it? They did the same thing again one year later with the even more revolutionary Classical Mushroom. And when ppl accuse IM for not being pioneer plz use valid examples of copying.

No, seriously Sandman that I can understand. A bit. Hallucinogen ok. Maybe. But the rest.... I don't disagree that they may inspired by these artists, but their music has nothing to do with them. BTW If Classical Mushroom isn't a pioneer album then nothing is. Simple as that.

I can understand if someone doesn't like IM, but... IM never copied anyone! Why ppl keep saying that? Tell me one artist, just ONE before IM that his music sounds anything like The Gathering or Classical Mushroom. The Gathering, Classical Mushroom and even B.P.Empire (which I don't think is a masterpiece) are three revolutionary albums that didn't copy any other artist before them. They're so classic that after so many years nothing similar ever happened. And here is the reason we bash IM. They were not just another great band, they were pioneers! True pioneers and now they make the most uninspired music. It's just sad

Of course.

Psychaos-Keyboard Widow

You are all lonely producers, aren't you?

No, I meant Midnight's Children. The ambient/downtempo tracks were good, but I found the dance ones pretty boring.

Second album was kind of a letdown though.