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Wavs are wavs for sure, but cd is something else, isn't it? I too have IFO in wavs, but I'd reaaaallllllyyyy like to a have the cd too. Original or reissue.

I always found the kick and the bass to be the canvas too, and everything on top of them are the colors and the shapes. Nice example

Because none label besides Avatar re-releases old stuff (there are some other re-releases in other labels, but they're rare). So let's make a re-release IFO petition, sign it and send it over to Avatar!

Exactly, but do you really think it is? Like I said I can understand that in a track with a loud kick or in track more minimal, but IMO in most dance tracks out there, from commercial House to experimental stuff the kick is not the dominant element. Maybe I'm wrong.

Well only a few ppl have really answered to my question. The topic is why they only listen to kick.

No they're not! Ppl said the same about Borat, yet they never checked how many lawsuits ''the supposed to be extras'' filed against the producers. The only scripted material on Borat was the Pamela Anderson abduction , since Pamela knew about it. Her bodyguards and the other people there didn't though. Plus Sacha Baron Cohen played with ''real life people'' way before the Borat movie, check the Ali G in NBA videos for example.

They are similar, no question about that, but this topic is not about that.

Personally I can't hear any similarities at all between The Gathering and Hallucinogen.

That reminds me of the classic question that people who listen only to music with lyrics have: "When the singing is gonna start man?" There's no singing. Then what are you listening? Actually this is one of the thing I love in beatless ambient

I've never said that Ambient is a non-trance music. But like I said before this poll is about dance music only. And yes many ppl can dance while listening to downtempo or ambient, but that's mean they are dance music? Anyway ther's always the other option.

It seems that my topic has slightly been misunderstood. First of all this is not a topic only about psytrance, but about all dance music. Second of all this topic is not a complain that ppl that don't listen to dance music find all dance tracks to be similar. That's a fact and pretty normal. When you don't listen to a music genre then you can't find major differences between the songs (mostly because of the lack of experience with that genre). For example I found most of the Death Metal songs to be similar, but my best friend who likes Death Metal can hear all the different elements. This topic is about the boom-boom problem, not about the fact that some people can't aprecciate dance music. It's about the strange(?) habit for non-dance listeners to simply hear only the kick drum! It doesn't matter if it's Goa or Darkpsy or Techno. For them everything is boom-boom. So the question is: Why the only focus on the kickdrum? When I listen to Death Metal I don't focus to the drums. And damn the drums are wild and pretty similar in all the songs. I completelly understand for a 50-years-old guy who grew up with classic rock or a 15-years-old pop chick to dislike psytrance for example or not to be able to hear any difference between Kindadza and Derango I'm not that paranoid, but why focus only on the kickdrum? Why? It's repetetive yes, but move on! So many things happen to the tracks, why focus only on that? I could understand that in a Gabber track with a kick loud as hell, but they even complain about soft Trance or something. Let's talk about that.

What about the Goa Trance albums by Klinik? http://www.discogs.com/Klinik-Sonic-Surgery/release/43466 http://www.discogs.com/Klinik-Dark-Surgery/release/306009 Anyone heard those?

No it can't! I have tried many 'experiments' trying to prove to my friends and relatives that not all dance is the same. It has a 4/4 kick? It's all the same. Another thing that I have noticed is that they can't really understand the dance more complex melodies. I had an argument (again with my best friend) about really melodic music. I remember I put for him a Pleiadians track from IFO (Maia I think) and he didn't find really melodic. I guess they have used to listen to more simple melodies.

That's what I mean. They don't even give the music a second thought or even a doubt that it's not just kick-kick-kick. I agree than when you're not familiar with a music genre it really sound all the same but! When I listen to Jazz most of the songs sound the same (I don't like Jazz that much) When I listen to Soul most of the songs sound the same too(I don't like Soul that much either) But I can hear the difference between Jazz and Soul. They can't tell a difference between Techno and House, Trance and Electro, Darkpsy and Goa, because they only hear the kick! I mean wtf?

that people that don't listen to dance music seems to always refer to it as boom-boom music? (boom is the kick drum obviously). It seems that the kick drum is the only thing they can hear in a dance track. There was that old dude in my work today and he started talking about the old days and how good music was and blah-blah and eventually he started talking about the modern dance music and that it's all the same, just boom-boom all the time. This argument comes every time when some guy who's not interest in dance music talks about it. My best friend who is a metalhead but digs some dance music believes that all psytrance is pretty much the same, because apparently they are all boom-boom. I mean you can add multiple melodies, dozens of layers, hundreds of effects, hats, snares, pads, crazy bass, anything but no! All they can hear is the kick! It's like saying that all rock music is boom-tski-boom-tsa because all I can hear is the drums! FAIL :wank:

That review is funny as hell

That review is funny as hell

It's not out until tomorrow. I will def gonna watch it. Borat was great and painfully funny

We still have no life Did you buy the new Shift T2M? What do you think?

I'll post a comment on the 'early comments thread' for sure. So far sounds...strange.

I would really love to know too. Worst idea ever!

If we're talking for tracks then nothing is more perfect for summertimes than California Sunshine-The Deeper The Bluer (Oforia rmx)