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Of course I agree 100% with Rotwang. Especially in this Darkpsy artists who used demonic, satanistic and other emo stuff in their music is like the 10%. The other 90% is about space, technology or ritual stuff. Plus I personally don't see something wrong with darkness or a bit of evilness as long is not emo. Anybody remember Schizoeffective? It has a skull in the cover! The Thing track was filled with cliche samples like baby crying etc. No one seems to say something bad about that. I'm nost bashing Schizoeffective, I personally love it! But let's see the whole picture. Yes artist with names like Bloodpsy or Satan Dance are emo, but that's the vast minority not the opposite. +1 To that I have to say that from all the scenes today darkpsy is the only one together with Goa that still has the old hippie attitude spirit. You know the shandu stuff, the ohm words etc. Is this old fashioned? Possibly, but still has it. Unlike Full On or Prog parties that look more and more like the nth typical neighbour party. I even believe that the day that we have to wear shirts to get in a club to listen our favorite artist is pretty close,

No one disagrees with that. And I'm gonna say two more, not so musically wise. Artists photos in the covers Artists treated like pop stars

This is where we disagree. Darkpsy didn't appear from nowhere. It evolved from psytrance, even from Goa. At first it was Parasense and Xenomorph who were for me the godfathers of darkpsy. But even Parasense were influenced by earlier darkpsy. Even by Absolum's Wild or Delta. Then this early darkpsy staring to become a bit more complicated and furious. Parvati's First Step was one of the first comps of 100% darkpsy. In the years that come darkpsy changed, but this is happening with any music. People who are into darkpsy since its beginning know that darkpsy came from psytrance, it didn't appear from nowhere. The same with Ticon and Son Kite (I still considered them as psy). Unlike D-Nox & Beckers for example who never were a part of the psy scene, there just came in the scene from somewhere else.

fixed edit: If this is not psychedelic, then what is? Not only it's psychedelic in the crazyness meaning of the word , but in the literal (soul confession) meaning too.

I was talking about the old good Delta

Ok first of all, I didn't say not discussing darkpsy, but let's not focus the discussion only to darkpsy. Second darkpsy is not my beloved genre. SA psy is. Darshan are great but not dark, they are dark-ish. After all why darj must only be one of a kind? The Delta is dark, but Savage Scream too. And of course macabre FTW!

+1

Are you talking about all darkpsy or artists like Morax and Infect Insect (aka 200 bpm artists). Cause I agree that some darkpsy artists sound more and more like gabba/noise, but that's the minority. Anyway. Instead of darkpsy discussion, maybe ppl should write their ideas about the problems/cancers/crappy stuff about todays scene. Peace.

But Simon does.

I'm not bowling! And I'm not a lawyer of darkpsy artists. Look of course is your taste and good for you that you find darkpsy as the most disgusting thing ever. But do you really believe that darkpsy killed our scene? How? If you said cheesy full on I would understand. Cheesy full on is soooo popular, but darkpsy is not popular. Not even close. And people would disagree don't know what they are saying. The sales of darkpsy albums. The amount of ppl going to their parties. Not popular. How is possible to kill a whole scene? Unlike what happened in 2000 when suddenly almost everybody switched from colorful, complex psy to minimal techno-ish stuff? Ok, replace the word cancers with problems.

If you're talking about me amphiton, I have to tell you that I never lost my hope to psytrance and I never will. I like todays scene. I love todays scene. This thread wasn't for bitching, but for discussing.

Once again darkpsy is the bad guy. Stuff like D-nox & Beckers isn't. Iboga records isn't. Minimal house promoted as psy isn't. No darkpsy is the EVIL! Music made for young chavs, so stoned that they don't care for real quality. Just a bass and random sounds. But back in 2000 when some artists decided than Psy is not interesting anymore, why not put some minimal techno in it? didn't kill the scene. When Ticon and Son Kite came from nowhere and become the new trend everything was fine. But darkpsy is bad. It's fast, it's dark, it's hard=it's shit. I know I sound harsh, but not liking darkpsy is one thing and saying that darkspy killed the scene is another. How darkpsy killed the scene? It WAS never a popular sub genre, NEVER! Not even today. Please check the Psyshop charts, this is the shit that killed the scene. Music made for mykonos bars. Booty shaking dance stuff... yeah right! Anyway, I don't want to start a war here. All of the above are IMO. But once again darkpsy is the bad guy.

I don't get you.

You mean me? Darkpsy killed the scene? Go check the Psyshop charts.

I can imagine Simon laughing while his followers still waiting for Hallucinogen 3.

Just write anything that you think has ruined or still ruining the scene musically-wise. Note: It's not a war thread! Just a personal opinion one. My thoughts: Full On Basslines I like full on basslines. Especially when they are aggressive and furious. But when 90% of the new tracks a have a full on bass then it's a problem. Minimalism How the most colorful, intense, complex dance genre has become such minimal-styled I will never understand. Shame. I don't hate minimal. It's just not my taste. But everything leans towards minimalism. Like it's the future of our scene. Whilst over-the-top psy is regarded as a b-grade music, music for the few. House, Progressive Techno, Tech House etc. influences Why? No melodies in Darkpsy I love Darkpsy. But why most Darkpsy artists don't use melodies? It's like a cliche? Ethno-cliches in ambient We have enough, don't you think? The same with all these dub stuff. Where's the spacey psybient? The trancey melodies? Why everything must sound so earthly today? Extreme bpm's 150 is good, 160 is good, 200 not like. The same with 120 bpm dance tracks. No thanks! Obsession with Goa And this comes from THE Goa fan. I love Goa more than anything, but Psy is more than that. Obsession with Simon Serioulsy, this is getting ridiculous. Vocoding samples Too many of them and most of them annoying as hell. Especially in cheesy full on tracks. Plus anything ''I love you'' clubby, shitty sample. Plur has nothing to do with that. No liquid sounds Everything sounds so ''rough'' today. Why? People afraid of Trance Damn you X-Dream! Damn you Radio! I don't know, but there are times that I think that trance today is like a forbidden word. Like Trance=Cheese. Why? Count me words. If Spiritual Healing was released today, it would be bashed as a cheesefest. IMO Write yours

No one?

For me B.P.Empire is a very good album, but not their best. The Gathering and Classical Mushroom are masterpieces! B.P.Empire is a bit too minimal for my taste, but DWK is the shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is a shitty remix that I discovered

EMP-Attack Of The Moose RPA

Best cover I've seen in a while.

Instabuy!!! :posford:

Correct of course

Ok TIP is correct (the track is High Insert for those who wonder), so it's my turn. Name me one psy artist/group that comes from Argentina and one that comes from Malta.

TIP-Mystical Experiences