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Yeah, of course, this is the main difference

I would add it ti the good points. I love this old rusty sound.

Actually I said that none of these genres (the majority) is psychedelic but they still are Psy trance genres. I'm sure you can see what I mean. Of course I see your IMO but I want to make clearly that this is not a bashing thread. After all I was born for aggressive full on.

Although I love Jake Stephenson's (R.I.P.) ambient works I never really liked his dance tracks (exceptions are Shamanic Tribes On Acid-Omnifarios Splifferous, Symbiotic-Forces Of Technology, Super Skunk-Marijuana Haze) Especially the STOA tracks sounded always bad to my ears (except the track I mentioned). But a few days ago I bought a comp with a STOA track called Speed Freaker. I already had this track and it was a crap, but now listen to it again I can that it's ok and different. This is sick! The melodies are really good and the only bad thing (at least to me) is the drum programming. Then I listen again to all the STOA tracks I've got and some of them sound better now to my ears. So what ya think?

I still listen Goa but how many Goa cds have been released since 2000? 10? 20? If we still love this music why we don't have more cds?

Bitching? Did I bash anything and I didn't get it? This is not bashing review this is about similarities. Telling that both genres are clubby for example ain't bitching, it's a fact. I already said that they are dozens of exceptions. For example I LOVE South African full on and yes! it's psychedelic but this is not the major full on style. About Highcosmos I consider it as Dark or if you prefer it hard-aggressive full on that typical full on style. I spoke about the majority of full on which is Israeli style.

It is very popular today to have a full on-progressive fights and this is something that always puzzled me since I believe that these genres have more similarities that differences. Before you read this topic keep in mind three things. i) This is not against any kind. I said it before: if you like full on listen to it. If you like progressive do the same. ii)I don't consider myself as a progressive fan, nor a full on fan. (I really love aggressive full on, but I dislike the Israeli style which is the 70% of the whole full on scene) iii)This is not for every full on or progressive artist, but for the majority of them. So, we all know the differences between these genres, it's time for the similarities: 1) They are both clubby music. 2) They are both non psychedelic music. Although they are still Psy trance genres they are not true psychedelic. (But as I said in (iii) there are many exceptions) 3) Both of them have a fan core that bash the other in a ridiculous way. They are many-many full on lovers that bash progressive music as boring shit and they are many-many pro lovers that bash full on as silly music. 4) They are both minimalistic compare to other genres (Goa for example). 5) The both have boring bass. The difference is in the speed and in the volume. 6) They are the most popular genres this time. Although full on is much more famous, progressive releases are selling incredibly well. If you don't believe me check out the charts in Psyshop. 7) Both of them were for a time THE popular genre in the scene. Full on from 2003 until today, progressive from 2000 to 2002. 8) They both destroyed Goa! If your memory is good you must remember that Goa dissapeared in 2000 when almost everybody went to the progressive,minimal, tech-trance sound of Digital Structures records etc. Suddenly no one liked Goa anymore and Goa went poof! Of course at the end of 2002 full on took the lead and finished the job. 9) They both have some of the silliest covers. Full on is like that and progressive like that 10) They both have many acts that use vocals in their tracks. 11) Full on is getting closer day by day to cheesy eurotrance, pure trance or pop trance for some ppl, while progressive is getting closer to House,Techno or progressive trance (not the psygressive but the progressive pure trance) 12) They both have parties that don't look like Psy parties. There are many full on parties that look like Tiesto meets Bomfunk MC'S and many progressive paties that are like Dimitri From Pais meets Ian Pooley. 13) They both have almost nothing to do with the original Psy spirit. IMO Ok there are many more but I think it's enough. I'll say again this is not a bash topic and I'm talking for the majority since they are many-many-many exceptions in both full on and progressive genre. The motto behind this topic is one: LISTEN THE MUSIC YOU LIKE AND FULL ON AND PROGRESSIVE LOVERS LET'S MAKE PEACE.

Yes! It's really nice. It's acid full on, different from any full on act you ever listen. Although I was waiting for more melodies and more climaxes it's really good. 7.5/10 from me.

10/10 Another World, Searching For UFO's and Mahadeva '99 are three of the best goa tracks ever. The rest of the tracks are great too especially Visions Of Nasca. Classic!

This is one of the releases I 'll buy even if the whole world tells me it's crap. I don't even have to listen to the samples. Your review DP is very nice but I feel sorry you didn't like the first track. I mean the Star Wars melody in a Psy track, wow! This must be named Twisted System-Ormion, since I was waiting for this one 2 years now every day, every night. Anyway I have to buy the album first to make more comments, but I couldn't resist.

Yey!

Thanks for the info guys. Of course I'm gonna get more RAM for my PC, but if my copy is bad than...shit! I wish I hope enough money to buy the original Cubase SX3 and 1G RAM but I don't . As for the audio files, this is exactly why I think that the copy is bad. I mean it crashes down with a single audio file wtf?

Twisted System is the best full on act ever. End of topic.

Agree. Both tracks are excellent. As for the Burning Up there is a reason why it is pure trance than Psy. It was made by AP and Trilithon, a trance artist who inspired AP for making music. There is also the Psychedelic Burnout mix which is even better, but less emotional.

I've only heard the Akira track and it's very good.

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Classic!

Yeah, Absolum for sure. And GMS debut album

Agree, agree. Toi Doi-Nuage D'Encens and Up Days Lotus Omega-100% Revital Free Rotatum-Phaze Din Alienated-Free Return some more

Okay I got it. Infected Mushroom-The Gathering then. It was something completelly fresh back then.

Well sounds a bit fluffy to me. I think the GMS rmx was much more furious

Mmm Mubali yeah... Gromit! What an aggressive track is that!

I can't believe I forgot Filteria! Navigate, Domestic Modulator aggressive Goa!

hehe Schlab yeah! Thanks for the recommendations guys, more, more!!

Chrysalid looks so hot! Great site guys!