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Write here all the stereotypes ppl outside the scene think/say about psytrance. Top stuff I have heard when I tell them I listen to psy: -I went to a psychedelic party once. Everyone there was on drugs. -The only way to listen to psytrance is to be on drugs. -It's easy to write this music. You just add random noises. -It's easy to write this music. You just program the computer to add random noises. (Alternative) -All I can hear is the beat. Boom-boom-boom-boom-boom... -There are no lyrics? -I have a friend that listens to psy. (They all have a psyhead friend. All of them. Apparently every friend of them that listens to dance music is psyhead). -I've been to psychedelic parties (=I've been in techno, trance parties) -I used to listen to psy too. Holymen, Cherouvim, Cyan... *facepalm* (that's for Greece). Write yours

I miss Miraculix.

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Look man the whole debate started when you wrote one specific phrase. This one First you assumed that I'm new in the scene and missed many of the old stuff. I never said such thing. I may be older in the scene than you (I'm not, but you didn't know it). But the most important was the hence your inability to tell the difference. I don't have any inability. And what's most important is that even if I had discovered psytrance the last year I would still be able to tell the difference. What your post pretty much says is that if someone is new to the scene is unable to tell the difference between full on or psytrance and only someone who was in the scene back in '94 can. Which is ridiculous. For many reasons. One of them is that back in 94 there wasn't any full on...or psytrance. Anyway. Then you said something even more ridiculous like a Twisted System track is so cheesy that ppl back then would throw a bottle at the dj playing this track, but let's say that taste is taste.

No one said it is.

I do agree that there are many arists that don't belong to a specific genre. Talpa's debut album is a perfect example. It's not Goa, Full On, Suomi or any combination between those. I just call it plain psytrance. But that doesn't change the fact that I also call the other subgenres psytrance as well. If a track belongs to a genre with an established name I prefer to tag is as that, since it's easier to find it.

Ok after the ongoing discussion in the Psytrance vs Full On thread I want to see how each one of you perceive/define psytrance. Apparently there are many different opinions, I added both nectarios view and mine. There is multiple choice option in the second and third question. If you don't agree with any option plz write your own views.

For labels I have to say Timecode, Nexus Media, MMD, Hypergate, Yabai (althought the latest release are a bit cheesy), Digital Psionics (most of their releases). For artists I guess they are dozens of them. Here is a mini list I wrote some time ago.

Just to clarify. I didn't mean that the Master Blasters track is not psytrance. Since for me full on is part of psytrance then it is psytrance. But if I had to classify it in a subgenre I would call it full on. Yes it's different full on than Painkiller for sure, but it's still full on to me. Ok here is a quick sketch of how I see the scene. First it was goa then a branch of it evolved into a new tree* that has its own branches that eventually grow smaller ones and smaller ones, but at the end they all belong to the same tree and both trees have the same root. Don't bother with the subgenres I just put them there to give my example, everyone can make his own branches. * I know that they were artists that produce psytrance in the goa days, but for me the biggest part of psytrance evolved from Goa in 1998-2001 especially in 1999.

We all know that most of the times a new producer touches a classic track it ends up bad. But there are always exceptions. Bliss' remix in Shiva Shidapu Area 51 is excellent IMO. It's goofy, energetic and replaces most of the cheese it can from the original with acid lines. If only there weren't any guitars... [media=''] [/media] Post yours

Although I don't get how you got the impression that I'm new in the scene or that the TS track is cheesy or at least cheesier than many Goa tracks or how someone who grew up with the classic sounds (like me) must like the track you posted or why someone who was in the scene back then knows more about psytrance than someone who wasn't or or or let's just say that we agree to disagree.

For me Barak is full on to the bone, not twilight.

I honestly can't see how the master blaster track is psytrance (as you call it), but not full on. It's 100% full on in my ears without the build ups and the main melodies. And I honestly again can't see how this track is more psytrance than a twilight track like this [media='']http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ny3E90bRoA[/media]

That's how I feel too. I was never a big fan of his and I was hesitating to buy this album because I was afraid of the cheese. But it is a huge sursprise! Indeed. Both Nexus and Timecode seem to not care about cda anymore. Although Timecode said to me on facebook that they will release cds again.

From a local cd store in athens. I have also bought cds from Psyshop and Beatspace before, both without problems.

I have this album, but I can't say I like it. Maybe you could try other Hadra releases, they have some descent comps.

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I decided to finally give a listen to the new Painkiller + Friends album I bought a week ago and I have to say I was blown away! For those who enjoy high energy melodic full on/twilight stuff you should give it a try. Two examples: [media='']http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGowDiBftlE[/media] [media='']http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQkOpwel5rg[/media]

Jaw Drops...

From new stuff I would say Dragon His tracks have an organic yet cyber feel at least to me. [media='']http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDnc0nPKCxE[/media]

Psynews has made a lot of steps forward from the 2003-2008 era. Back then if you said that you like full on or darkpsy goa and progressive lovers would attack you. It's nice to see that Psynews today still maintains its Goa core, but it's (finally) more openminded.

I like the idea. But we need a lot of votes. In the best of the noughties poll we had like 20 voters. Not cool guys, not cool.

I listen to everything except progressive.

Great album. Last 4 tracks are amazing.