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ollylovesgoa, the linked videos are pretty good, the Darshan one, I do not dick the Chi AD a lot, it is too loud and distorts when playing. I said above, that I am not sure whether RAmmstein is aggressive or intense, I would put it more into the direction of intense. So which is why I think MFG is not that far away from it.

and how would you define Rammstein - Sonne? Would you define it aggressive? maybe I should change the topic title. Sonne is somehow aggressive, but not too much, it is very atmospheric. MFG - Why is excellent and in that direction.

Tandu and Pigs in Space are not that style of music. Tandu and Pigs in space have odd rythms and melodies, which is not like Rammstein. Rammstein, altough atmospheric is very harmonic, as far as i can remember there is no harmony in pigs in space or Tandu. Oforia is also aggressive, but Oforia is different, it is rather dark adn sad, not like Sonne. But honestly I don#t think there si anything as atmospheric in Goa Trance at all. it was a friend of mine, who wanted tme to burn him some metall and some Rammstein on a cd for his car. I burn4ed the discs and came accross Rammstein and I could not believe my ears, the atmosphere was so intense, it is like all your sences wake up. But not like Pop, which is euphoric and straight forword, Rammstein is intense and makes the world look better. Some people say it makes you feel free and exactly that is what it does. Rammstein, instead of writting some aggressive and violent metal songs wrote something very beautiful, I am wondering if that was their intention.

so after listening to some Rammstein I almost think his songs are a bit more beautiful than Goa trance, The extreme atmosphere you can hear, the emotions, it is such an alive experience, goa Trance somehow can't give me such an experience. Especially the track "Sonne" by Rammstein is sooo beautiful, it gives me so much warmth, energys, atmosphere, I do not have the words to describe it. Sonne from Rammstein is aggressive, but not overly aggressive, it is very similar to Goa Trance melodywise and I get the same feelings when listening to Goa Trance, howeve sonne gives me those feelings many times stronger I think powerful is the word to describe his music. It is very powerful. right now I can#t think of any tracks that have that energy and power as Rammstein and especially Sonne, do you know any Goa Trance tracks, that are that strong? Tracks with a lot of power in Goa Trance for sure are MFG - Experience MFG - Illumination MFG - New kind of world album Anything else?

this is a real masterpeace, the music is really storytelling and let's you travel a deep journey into the world of feelings. this album helps the imagination. My favourite tracks are LSD, Alpha Centauri, Dark magus and Fluoro neuro shponge. fluoro neuro Shponge is a unique track.

I meant that, but it is a shame someone like him needs to make money to keep his label alive, considering his beautiful last shpongle album, he released.

he wants to make money, which is why he would go to progressive. with the lfew listeners of psychedelic elektronica and the even much less buyers of the tracks he surely does not make enough profit from it. but unfortunately most people would prefer Pitbull over shpongle.

Rainbor spirit Sangeet - sirius shuttle Now this is a twisted goa track.

I am wondering if it is not one of the Rain mixes, he was a member of this forum during 2005 - 2006 period, but I am not sure about that. As far as I remember it was called Rainmix, but I don't think it is your mix.

I wrote them the German way

I have read between the lines. you meant that I have had a faulty birth, which is why I behave like that, don#t you think i would at least understand "dropped as a baby"?

Technosoomy. somehow it is wrong to say that I have droped as a baby, because I do not enjoy newschool Goa trance. There are people who think the way I do, and you know what. I would like newschool Goa Trance a lot, if it was similar to oldschool.

you are right, any tband is unique. But the newschool tracks I have heart unfortunately sound totally different to the old names, unfortunately.

your attempts to embaraze me with such comments do not work. it probably is you who does not get my points, do you? do you think music should be judged by random factors or at least partly be judged by the complexity? And one more think ionIzed. Knowing stuff like key changes, complex melodies and so on is one thing, being able to operate the host and see everything infront of you, even without midi controller is another thing. I can not produce tracks that are as good as oldschool goa trance withou many years of learning and getting experience, maybe I never will be able to. But knowing the "forumula" as you call it is something different

ollylovesgoa, new school would not be a downgrade or is not, some people enjoy it a lot. However it is a different style and it is not the time that makes the music, it is the music that makes the time in my opinion. If the artists would produce tracks that sound like oldschool Goa Trance people would appreciate it more, some of thm at least.

I like old Asia 2001 a lot, I hope that album will sound like that aswell.

OMG, what a fucking masterpeace, the track is increidlbe.

Aktually I listen to such music aswell.

It is quite unbelievable, that someone who shares a different opnion on a certain subject is classified as ignorant in this forum. I have indeet not heart a lot of newschool Goa, but how many newschool releases are there anyway? i have probably heart cutouts from more than 30 albums and they all sounded according to my descritpion or similar, so I do not understand how someone can say my knowledge about newschool Goa trance is very little. indeet my knowledge is not the best about that subject, but in fact I have listened to many releases, and those I have heart mainly Suntrip records do match my description. ionIzed, I do not need to proof you what others have said about my tracks. Let's just say I have recieved good feedback about my tracks from some friends and on the music forum KVRaudio, both of my new and of my old tracks. And anyway my intention is not to make some tracks that sound great, but my intention is to make some tracks that sound oldschool and I think I managed that. And about the other subject; A mate of mine who was called feathers and was in this forum earlier, he listens to all kinds of music and he likes complex music. So helaughs about a lot of Goa tracks regarding them as simple copy and paste music, even the tracks of many artists that are present on the forum. He demands complex musical structures, complex melodies and keychanges in a track, like some very complex metal tracks he listenes to, he also is able to play electric guitar. He laughs a lot about the newschool tracks I post him to show him what is being liked in this forum. He enjoys complex shpongle tracks and likes some of the more complex goa trance tracks, for example by hallucinogen, he liked some Boris Blenn tracks a lot. So I hope I did accurately answer your questions and erased your doubts about me and the suspection of me lying. About tnewschool should be evolved from oldschool. No I have been using objective terms to describe my points here in the forum, but I find this is a big bullshit. Since aktually there are a lot of people who want new goa trance to sound like old goa trance!!!!! Do you think there are endless oldschool goa tracks so that you will never be able to hear all tracks? No, you will manage to hear most tracks you can get and then you have tolisten to them gain and again, because of some people like you, who demand the style to not be the same as old goa trance, but to be "new" Is this why Pop artists and other artists are making the ssame style of music for many years longer than goa even exist and have success with it? But you will say that Popl artists "e3volve" and change". Artists can evolve and change, however that should not be demanded and decided by the listeners, "who want the music not to sound like old stuff" since there are a lot of people who aktually want to hear the same music, even 50 years later, I am really at the edge not to be using some insultive words, but this is something very stupid, to demand evolvment, because we advance in time. Tell me, if you think evolving is so important. Why the fuck do so many people listen to old music, even as old as being classical? Do those people want changes in classica, do they want new classical that has absolutely nothing to do with old classical? No, they don#t want that, they want to hear and enjoy Mozard, Bethoven, Franz Schubbert, tschaikowsky and many more, When I was young I learned to like and love Oldschool Goa Trance and I want to hear new oldschool like Goa trance even nowadays. I would rather hear progressive trance with some goa elements than newschool Goa Trance, since good Progressive has more similarity to oldschool Goa trance, than newschool Goa, it is just a bit dry. Now about the other point you made, you said that a track can not be analysed with an objective method, because it is about taste. to some extent I agree to that. soem people might like the sound of simple tones to be fascinating and they have their right for that, as I have the right to like skinny girls. But we can analyse a track objectively and see how complex it is and what structures it aktually uses and so on. And I am someone who cares to some extent about that and my friends do even more, so they listen and analyse if a track has enough key changes, if the musical structure is complex, if the melodies are simple or complicated, if the intro is good, if the layering is well. so it is very dissapoitning to hear a track that is built up by a few strings, one melody that is alterated during the track and one simple bassline, that does not change even one time during the whole song and read others say it is a godlike masterpeace, like some stuff by Ethreal. My tracks altough they are so damn fucking awful to the people here, at least feature key changes, several basslines in a track, several entirely different melodies, several stringlines. Now I hope you don#t start againa nd say I praise myself, I do not, but we should be realistic and look at what we have. A track where one bassline plays 8 minutes through the track and one melody, that has a few variations, can that be a masterpeace??? Ofcourse I am ready for newschool goa trance aswell, however I mean newschool Goa Trance, that sounds more like the old stuff, if anyone can link me such stuff, I would be glad to hear it and to share my positive opinions about it here, if wanted.

it is not about the scales being used in the tracks. I think you don#t get it, do you? The melodies used by Astral projection and MFG are not the same melodies used by the newschool artists, if you fail to hear it I suggest that you are on crack. The melodies on Astral, MFG, old EU, Man with no Name, The Infinity Project may have eastern scales, but they do not sound orientalic. Astral Projection and MFG used to produce very uplifting and emotional melodies, that would not sound like a fast version of an orientalic track at all. The newschool stuff sounds more or less like a fast version of an iran or arabic track in my opnion. if you listent to a lot of newschool Goa Trance and compare it to Astral Projection - Unbelievable Technology or Virtual booster you will not find a lot of similarities between those songs and newschool goa Trance. if you interpret my posts as ignorant or not is your choice, however my reactions to newschool goa trance have gotten a bit rougher, since after many years this style still is far away from oldschool Goa Trance and not varried enough.

The track is very good, it has no sign of newschool Goa trance, nor does it have any full on elements, I like it a lot, very atmospheric and fresh, something that is between Twisted and the Lone Deranger in stuff, well done Mr. Godford. There was another great track by him a few years ago, Strangled cat, I liked that track a lot. That track did not even have one sign of new stuff and you would think you play a track on a pre 2000 cd. jayex, ofcourse man. His work on the collaborations is very good. the latest shpongle outcome is very good, it is very psychedelic and musically great, however it is not better than the old shpongle stuff, like the second and first shpongle albums.

Richpa, main melody of Mahadeva 99 starts at about the third minute. ion1zed, based on your outcome of the oldschool artists, telling me that you don#t want me to mention them I think it is a wise suggestion from me to change your profile name into a newschool Goa track you appreciate, since Ionized is one of the artists you do not want to be posted. I don't really like the insultive post against me, since it is nothing personal about you, did I offend you, no. I said what I think about Astrancer and when I say something I mostly conclude it with other people, before posting it. Because if you want to talk about something, you have to look for several opinions to see what others think of it aswell, which are outside the Goa scene, and that person would refer to the Astrancer tunes as way too long and not changing enough. so when I post an anlys on a track it is based on several people's opinion. And about newschool in general, I really have a hard time accepting that it is so different from oldschool. The heavy use of eastern and orientalic melodies, instead of typical uplifting goa melodies is the most annoying thing about newschool goa trance and besides a few exceptions most newschool Goa artists use those to me unacceptable orientalic melodies. I could listen to Arash - Boro boro and even that track has less eastern melodies than newschool Goa Trance. Personally I do not have anything against people from eastern countries, but heavy eastern influences in goa Trance are very annoying to me. There are other points about newschool goa Trance like the used synthesizzers or the speed that we talked about earlier that matter aswell, so newschool goa Trance unfortunately is not a comparison to oldschool Goa and I would rather play MFG - Message from God, having a little full on influence, than playing anything from Astrancer and similar.

that are some bad news, but it is expected and I do not expect any new Hallucinogen album but I had a little hope still, now even that will vanish. It is very dissapointing that even once loyal goa trance lovers have turned into progressive lovers and all they want is progressive trance. And the more I read about old artists being forced to produce stuff like Progressive, the more I think the goa trance scene is dead and that it will never be like it was. there is also little hope that newschool will become what real goa was.

Richpa, Nice try. this track indeet has mor than just one melody playing the whole song, with alterations. There are some very good melodies to behart in this track and many changing elements. However this track is way too long for what it is in my opinion. It is more than 10 minutes and I tell you that only very few hardcore newschool goa trance fans can listen through the whole track without skipping forword. it is because the track is overloaded and the listener does not get a break or something he can prepare for, it is one melody, than the next one, then a break, then another melody, than a break, than the same melody as in the beginning, also the track lacks an intro in my opinion. It starts right away and allready in the first mintue you hear one of the main melodies. this is nothing like Astral, MWNN or MFG or EU, you are supposed to listen to 10 minutes of melodies, without places of break. this track has very good melodies, but the structure is not the typical evolving structure so people who are not goatrance lovers will hardly be able to listen through all of the track.

do you know of any songs or samples available of that album?