Anoebis

If you use the philosophic argumentation, this statement is simply wrong: "so still no one has given an example of a benefit of religion that can not be had without religion." As humans always HAD religion in every culture in their past, it's actually you who should prove people without religion do things people WITH religion wouldn't do (because of their religion). If you would say this in university people would laugh with that statment. it is not following the rules of a debate. Anyway, I still will answer... And I told you already... The best benefits of religion and their influence on people: - more charity (Christian people give more away then NON believing people) - taking care of the poor/sick (typical Christian/monotheistic)! In most religions this is not the main thing (cfr Judaism & Hinduism)! Which is one of the big reasons why the western world managed to evoluate till what we are today. Also, so many organisations helping people are Christian! And 90% of the hospitals in Belgium (and 100 years ago it was 100%) - education! The idea of schools for everyone, is typical Christian and started in Christian society! In other cultures this was only for the rich people... and some funny side effects of being religious: - less depressions (logical, as they find strength in God) - people become older (because they have a resting moment once in a while) I can go on, I'm just curious how you will react. And don't say. "people wouldn't have done this too without religion" without arguments, examples,...

The Brasilian version... Even more crazy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gzHOMdNF2A

Happy birthday Where is the design of goatrance.free.fr ? I remember it was online somewhere

I laughed my ass off... Post more if you have some great ones!

So much to reply, so little time, aaah Anyway, it's not made to control the masses, religion is much older, and is even in the smallest community in the middle of nowhere active. of course it gives a group feeling, but that's human anyway... Religion isn't bad because some people took advantage of it to control... If you think like that liberalism is bad, kapitalism is bad, ... I agree, that the tool is abused. And Ouroboros. You said some things that are simply false... problem seems to be you are not willing to even think about it, and you only concentrate on the bad. Religions did bring things in society that wouldn't be there without religion...

An enormous evolution compared to past tracks! Congratulations, great release!

+1 +1 +1 this is one of the guys I never understood, playing on every festival, and I never felt something special when he was playing.

I am thinking of coming too... but is it indoor or outdoor?

You are from Brasil, and I am in Brasil now... just returned from Universo, and I can only say... Woow, Progressive is HUGE in Brasil, and not the melodic deep trancy, but the commercial simple stuff. The dancefloor goes crazy on parts without anything else as a offbeat kick. Neelix was the worst indeed... Luckely there was enough good music too, but I was surprised of the amount of really BAD and UNpsychedelic proggie. The progressive others told here are really good, but "old school" I guess the best now is Ovnimoon, Lyctum and some Meller for me... But they didn't play there

In Belgium it is 4 or 5 years, depending on subject/course, and 1 year to become a teacher on top of that

I think that is weird... There are a huge amount of books that proof there is no such things as universal values. Let me explain: To search for univeral values, you need to find different communities who were never in touch with eachother. So let's go back to 1500, when Spain discovered the Americas. Which universal values did you find there? To give some examples: humans were sacrificed, girls were kidnapped by tribes to have new "offspring", parents were killed once they couldn't work anymore, people couldn't even look at the kings because they were too holy... Also, some priests lived exclusively on human meat. That culture was total different from ours, far away from our values...! I can give you more examples... Samoa, Papua, Amazonia, middle Africa,... read books, you'll see What is interesting. Once our values (based on the bible/ten commandments) started to spread, they became accepted in most parts of the world because of the colonies. Now that they are part of most cultures, they became "at once" universal values. Woow, but here you are not right. There are loads of books written by monks with the healing capacities of plants. The most famous is Hildegard von Bingen. This mystical nun had a huge encyclopedia about healing plants... And she probably had her visions while using Datura by the way. That is one of the big mis-understandings of mediëval times... very cliché. Everyone thinks they were dumb, but they were not, in the opposite, they started with our modern medicines! Of course they prayed for health if the disease was unknown or not be found, but modern people do that too. Interesting. You are right at a certain moment the Arabic world was more scientific... Mostly the 8-11th century. And there it stopped. After that the mediëval Christian culture took over. The rapid change in science is a relatively slow evolution, it took hundreds of years... not caused by enlightment, but the search for truth. As written in my last post to Tatsu, this has to do with the beg-monks, who needed to look for right answers while preaching. You need to have a look how many important inventions were made by Domonican & Franciscan monks! It's because they were focused on "truth". (think "in the name of the Rose", a movie of course, but with hints of reality). Once people were more thinking like that, and they realised they had more power then the old school class system, the first revolutions/enlightment came. There everything became faster of course... But at that time Christianity had not a bad, but a good influence on that! The big wave of secularisation started only 50 years ago... Don't forget that Anyway, interesting discussions here

Interesting point. But without christianity there would be no educational system like we have today. Educating in the Roman/Greek times was only for the very rich with a personal teacher. The monastries were the ones that started to have more open schools for everyone that was smart enough (not only the rich!) It was the promotion of the brains... And the big change happened with the beg-monks... Because they had to preach, they needed a VERY good education to talk about religion on the street... They needed an answer for every critical question! There it all started... The search for knowledge instead the preservation of knowledge which happened before. This system is the basis for our modern scientific mind & school system. Of course you are right that all inventions were made by Christians as everyone was Christian back then... But I mean, all inventions were made by monks or priests. Not just regular Christians. (also a side note, in most of the mediëval times not everyone was as Christian as we think... But that's a long story...) For sure this had to do with their background and money, so you are right there anyway. But certain genuises in the mediëval times were NOT rich, not of a high class and managed to be top notch thanks to the "school" system! You are right... Of course official Christian channels will be against gay marriage. This is for several religious reasons. But, they don't say you should get killed or anything like that. That's what I mean with the most liberal/free thinking. They will keep their religious ideals, but they don't force you (anymore)! You are a free human being... Which is super important. No other religion is that liberal.

Cool Well, I think it's one of our stronger releases, so it deserves a review for sure... And I believe in a few years from now, Cosmic Dimension will be a respected name in the goa-scene

Interesting Well, it depends on the period of course. You can not say how it was for the whole of Europe during 1000 years... But to make things short... untill the 9-10th century it were mostly rich people going into monastries. But that period was relatively unimportant for the future. After that it changed a lot, and with the Franciscans and the Dominican-orders this was totally untrue... Much more "poor" people ended up in those abbies. You had a segregation at that time. The royal abbies for rich people, and the "normal" abbies for normal people... but even many rich people chose for poor abbies out of religious believes... And many rich even tried to force the rich abbies to more strict (Theresa van Avila, Francis again, Dominico Guzman,...) There are wild stories about Galileo, and his dispute with the church was not as bad as people think... Actually, the things he wrote were not "false", during his live pope (I forgot his name) said he had to change only a few things... And NOT the things where he is famous for today! Also, they say he was condemned to prison... Hell no, he had to stay at home, where everyone could come who wanted, so he was still free (relatively). As for Copernicus... he never cared too much. During his life his theory was only supported by a few guys. Only after his death it gained more attention. Then, the question why we are doing "good" in so many fields is a though thing... And we can write books about it. There are SO many reasons. The colony theory proved to be wrong. For instance Canada, Russia, Scandinavia,... never had colonies. Altough our capitalistic way of living is a reason for sure. We make the world change the way WE want it, which makes us stronger of course. But still... I don't believe in coincedance, and in anthropologic circles, scietists do say Christianity is one of the factors... To make things clear: in Christian (and Judeism!) countries the will to study the bible/thora was so big, schools became important. Also, taking care of sick/poor people was place nr.1, which made doctors & hospitals priority. This an evolution nowhere else in the world was found. Last but not least, this reminds me of one thing. I hear in Belgium people saying: the church is condemning gays... They do SAY things, but in Belgium many priests are openly gay. And the church it is OK, as everyone is equal. Also, there is no punishment whatsoever for people who are gay... While criticing the church, they forget only in Christian countries it is ok to be gay. I addes a map... have a look. Shocking, no? So I dare to say Christianity is the most progressive and open minded big religion today... http://cdn3.chartsbin.com/chartimages/l_66v_57bdda449e85717e52e64f2d4b895384

I could write here so much more... But I prefer to talk about this... Where is that damn psynews meeting! come to the 10 years Suntrip party in BE and we'll have LOADS of time to discuss these interesting things

I actually studied master in archeology... With a focus on middle ages. I ended up teaching history & religion because it was really uncertain to do excavations... And also I have much more free time now So, go for it

For the first part, read above... I don't think these are universal things... people want to believe that to cut themselve lose from religion, but religion is the base for our culture for thousands of years, you can't simply deny that... Second thing: Romans and taking care of diseases: well, read about Galenus. He was the best "doctor" they had... And he is respsonsible for that fact millions of people died! He had the theory of the 4 body fluids... And medieval people followed him for a long time. Most anthropologists even think we are into a higher level because of Christianity. It's not a coincedance the "top-"countries in the world concerning science etc are Christian countries. Since 1200 monastries were thé place for wisdom... And because of a more and more critical mind, they started to search for truth. This search was the beginning of humanism. Untill 18th century 95% of all super smart inventions were done by monks or religious people... Don't forget that! Afterwards it became less, but still a relatively big amount of people... And yes, you had a church that said certain things were wrong... But those conservative guys couldn't fight reality... (and to make things clear, they were fighting themselves... Guys like Copernicus were priests!) What you said is the most common thing people THINK about medieval times. They were stupid and surpressed by a Catholic moloch-church. But the truth is far different... As a medievist (I studied extra about medieval times) I can only say... Read, read and read more... So you'll see the negative view on medieval times is still a renaissance thing! Middle Ages... Between the 2 "smart" ages... Oh come on, the basis of our culture was exactly there!

In Philosophy this is called the manipulation of truth... Because you are not objective. You think humans are pure good, religion is bad... I can switch this sentence 100%: and for me that is even closer to reality. The human nature of humans is selfish and not really caring... It's religions that started to put that ideal into humans thanks to certain people who saw the importance of that (like Jesus, Buddha,...). I can't believe you say Francis would have done the same without religion. It is simply untrue. Read his personal letters/books, you'll see... For me, humans are humans and will do a lot of BAD things. Religion are giving guidelines to be a better human being. It's the people's choice what they do with it. Of course many fail (we are still humans) but many do NOT fail, and for some reason we never see them on tv etc :s To finish: don't forget the European/American law are based on Christian ideals! The 10 commandments changed the world. Simple as that! And don't think these are universal laws, because in Papua New Guinea, Samoa, Amazone and certain Muslim countries that didn't get in touch with Christianity or Buddhism have TOTAL different laws. Stoning, blood-revenge, even getting raped the night before you are married... While studying about religions your eyes will go open, if you want I can give you a lot of interesting books

where are the reviews for this one?

People that want to hear 2 of the tracks fully already... have a listen to this mix https://soundcloud.com/anoebis/melodrama-in-the-desert

As some probably now, in my everyday job I am a history & Christian/Catholic religion teacher in high school. These kinds of discussion are very interesting and I have lots of them every year. But there is one thing that I simply can't get... Why do atheïst always have to "prove" and even "fight" to put their truth central!? And once you are influenced by something religious/Christian they are often declared "dumb" or "losers". Take me for example. My big big biiggg example was St Francis of Assisi... No question here, this guy existed and was a great spiritual influence for millions of people during almost 1000 years. He was influenced by Jesus, or that what was written about Jesus. People like St Francis were, just like Buddha, and some other rare individuals, humans that could leave their ego 100% behind. They also wanted to spread love in an extremely good way. Because of him the first "hospitals" were started for instance. How can a human being say believing is dumb/stupid/bad/"the root of all evil" I even read here, when you follow that guy's philosophy? ps: I am talking about Christianity here, I know some other religions have some more agression and less love-spreading inside of them His writings, way of life and spirituality has a HUGE influence in my life. What is wrong with that? What can an atheist have against it?

i'm more or less the same, although I start to check out digital releases more and more these days... Specially from neogoa & geomantic because indeed... There is great stuff in there and it is good to find about new artists!

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I am also glad to work together with the biggest online only goa-promoters! over the years they gave us so much... Time to give something back!

sounds very good, he is growing non stop indeed!