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You are right, it has nothing to do with later Psy that he made. However, he released music already in the 80s not 90 http://www.discogs.com/artist/Martin+Freeland?noanv=1 I have most of that stuff, and I love it. But if you can not stand acid house and house, then you wont like it of course. http://www.discogs.com/artist/Perfectly+Ordinary+People Dig deep and the rabit hole gets deeper UK Psy, I think was heavily influenced by Acid House back in the day

Nico - Frontiers in the Dark. A bit too short, but fuck is it good. It beats ANYTHING by ANYONE made in modern Chill http://www.discogs.com/Nico-Frontiers/release/52426 beat that mother funkahs!

And all that cause he uses a computer and digital softmedia to dj His DJ set is by far (and Chris Liebing now as well) the most technical and complex I have ever seen

Around 30 minutes you have Metal Spark - Kickstart

You people make me wanna slap ya'll. posts in the other thread deleted, and please chill

Really? It pisses you off? And if I told you some really big labels actually do this, you would be surprised?!

Sorry for the belgians then, but in Sweden, Germany, Denmark and Spain they have free internet. I am also very sorry that you never got to see the outside world cause you chose to sit at home instead of being social with people. Another question that is really bugging me (and I know I am going to step on some toes here, but I feel no other choice at the moment); What about those labels and record shops that actually PROVIDE the rips to the mp3 groups? I doubt they will ever admit, publicly, but I know for a fact around 20 labels, 6 record shops and about 2 distros that do it...

Is this site even legal? I think he means www.emusic.com

You see, I do not know where you are from, but most student homes have free internet.

LoL, I do not think that you have any concept of how much poor students and people there are in the world.

You make no point or sense at all.

So you made an example of yourself as well, but... hang on a moment, you do not make sense anymore my beloved Ormion!

What gets me is that its not even at government level! Its private market that can do what ever they want with you, if they suspect you! That is no better than Maffia really! It is going way too far. One more reason to boycott institutions like RIAA, MCPS and STIM

but a bit offtopic from the original topic: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/31678 comments?

Guys relax, we are having a discussion over here. I think that you, Ormion, need to understand one thing, and that is that not everyone can afford to buy music! And Male, you have to understand that people like Ormion that can afford to buy music, hates people that pirate. At the end of the day though, people that can not afford music are no harm to the industry, cause they do not pirate cause they do not want to contribute, they just can NOT. If everyone in the world would be able to pay the crazy prices we do for music, Piracy would not exist. I mean, have you never thought why people steal food? The brain needs music, just like the body needs food, and if you can not buy it cause you are a poor person, you steal it, or do anything else to get it! I know I would, if that was the case. Im just HALF a pirate, cause I buy everything that I commercially use, OR what I like, the rest I download, cause I want to have it in CASE OF. And if there was an album that I hated to start with, but then came to the conclusion that I liked it cause Listened to it over and over again, I buy it as well. There are pirates and there are pirates, and most of them are good ones. Then there are the p2p kiddies, and they just spread cause they want some status in the scene, nothing else. But without those, some of the kiddies out there that love the music but can not afford it, would not have the music. EVIL CIRCLE, but a not too harmful evil circle, I M O!

Dont get me wrong the right way here, I dont think that any physical format is needed at all. I can understand the "need" of it for some people, cause they just can not think another way. Its like I said before, for some it is hard to think in new ways, cause they have not followed the technology, and I feel sorry for those people. Why sorry? Cause I am 100% sure that things will change in a way that those people (like you) will have a hard time to adapt, once its done. Look, what would you think would happen if the sales of cds goes down in the MAINSTREAM music industry? And if they would press less and less cds cause they find another format (CompactStick or whatever)? Yes, you guessed it, pressing cds will cost more, and that would mean prices would become ridiculously high. That will then FORCE labels to pick up on the new formats out there, cause nobody would want to pay 50 euros for a CD, when you can get a sucky stick for 20. And our subculture (any electronika) will not be able to change, if SONY and the other big sharks change the market. The sollution? Well for me it is digital downloads, as I will not support some shitty stick. Is the another format I could think of that would be physical? Nope, sorry, the shitty stick is probably the best replacement there is. Sadly enough. And this is of course because we are going towards SSD. Anyways, enjoy it as long as it lasts!

You base your facts on him?

Now, people buy more and more digital downloads, and if that was not a fact, sites like beatport would stop to exist. Prices on digital are stupid as well, but I foresee that that will change in a very near future. (just check Apple/iTunes). Let me say this once again, and let it be the last time: The people that illegally download, and NEVER EVER buy anything, would not buy it, even if it was not available as a illegal download. You CAN NOT lose a customer that never would be able to afford it, or the ones that would not have become one in the first place. Yes there are still assholes out there that would be able to buy, but just dont, but they are not the majority of the people that download illegally. And the ones that download illegally cause they can not afford to buy, I have NOTHING against, bless them for wanting to listen to the good stuff that everyone else can listen to. And no, I am not going to measure cocks with you right now, I do not see where that has any part of this discussion. If you stop the mp3s (the legal ones) you will not have less ILLEGAL mp3s, cant you see that?! Pirates will always exist, no matter what format you have. I bought around 40 vinyls in Hungary when I was 14, which where ILLEGAL re-presses. That is TWENTY years ago!

Bad example, you CAN listen via LAN, you do not need to sit infront of the PC to listen to the music playing on it. Devices like this: http://www.sonos.com/howitworks/ Will soon be all over the place, and at a cheap price as well. I have tried the Sonos system, and it truly R O C K S. You are, like I said before, close minded/conservative about the old format, cause you are used to it. That also does not make you look further into possibilities, once you have taken the step towards digital media, you will look around for alternatives, and once you start looking, things pop up that you could never have imagined before. With SSD becoming a market standard very soon, the possibilities will be even bigger. My father had the first EVER cd player in Germany when it came out (2 days later) and his friends were laughing at him when he said "This is going to be the new format of which we are buying music" They laughed cause it was expensive etc etc. A year later, all those laughing people were not laughing anymore, as they realized that more and more cds came on to the market, and the sound was REALLY good. Physical Format FINE! I can understand that people want something in their hands, but I think that compactstick is the WRONG format to be honest

As so many times before, I agree with Basilisk! I dont need more paper

you said it lemmi, its for 12 year olds... I can not stand it either.

LOL!!!!!!!111eleven Get Animals online for 18 Euros from Cocoon: http://cocoon.net/shop/catalog/shop.php

First of all, I am not going to comment on the other stuff because 1. I do not have time 2. its way too offtopic already (mostly thanks to me of course). Second of all, this is the main thing (replying to your quote here), buying the physical media called cd for the prices we have now, that is destroying things. By stop buying those cds for THAT price is ONE step forward into getting either a ) cheaper discs or b ) another format/media. Pressing cds today is cheaper than ever (for the pressing plants, not for their clients, and especially not if you are SunTrip aka Small indi labels) and prices are higher than ever (in general). And then we have the middle man, also called the distributor, he is one of the flaws in the system. He takes a lot of money to distribute, and I could understand that, IF it was a distro that had almost no labels. However a decent distro has around 50 labels, and then 10 first of them are his +-0, and the rest is his PURE profit. Now imagine how it is with distros that have over 1000 labels... greed my friend, that is what is going on here, and it should be stopped. Online you cut out that little greedy bastard, you can start collectives (on your sites) which then work together to have little to NO distro costs at all, since all you need to do is to maintain the downloads and site. I mean, at the end of the day, what ALL of us want is cheaper good quality music, and CD's are not the answer. The alternative is online, but thats not good enough for snobby people that like to have something in their hands. You could compare it to a wank and a blowjob, people wank way more than they get blow jobs, cause they like to have something in their hand! (Just kidding of course). Open source music (see basilisk) is another option, the labels promoting their acts more to get gigs, and therefor their main income is NOT the sales, but the gigs they get. This works especially well in the electronic music scene and of course pop/rock as well. There was some argument that some artists do not want to perform, well, im sorry, but isnt that kind of the reason we all got into this for? To perform our music to the masses and make people smile? Dead argument imo! And the artists that do not want to perform, hear this: YOU SUCK! I prefer your music live 100 times than hearing it in my living room!

Hooray for media players then Just share your music over the LAN and let your media player that is connected to the lan do the rest My setup: Server and Xbox with XBMC. Media Center connected to amplifier in the living room. Turn Tv on, chose your playlist or album, turn tv off. Enjoy the music, and if I have people over, I let the tv on, for XBMC has really nice trippy things going on on the screen

New Orders confusion is no Acid Techno, its the Pump Panels remix that makes it sound that way. http://www.discogs.com/Pump-Panel-Confusion/release/19442 that was released in 2001, but the original remix made in 1995. The Original from New Order: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ABdNJrOYg far from Acid Techno