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I know for a fact how much OOOD sold on the first Cabbaged Release... but Im going to let him take this part of the discussion. I was actually selling that release in my record shop, and I was a partner with the distro that distributed it back then. I doubt ANY artist will actually (except colin or jikkenteki) will ever tell the TRUTH about sales and how much they ACTUALLY make... the balls tattooing comment was for DANIEL! How can you fail to see the fact that I actually spent 2-4 hours a day in a record shop listening and buying before, when I can spend 2 hours at home now? I mean that I listen to my releases at home, and then decide to order or not. Saves me time. Yes, I miss going to the record shop, but I am not 20 anymore, and I have a child to tend hehe. Edit: Everything is not a reply directly at you, but also to the topic as whole, babe

If you compare sales from month to month, sales of the ps3 is higher than both of the other mentioned. and yes, because of the 40gb price drop. In the end, Blue Ray or HD-DVD will take over the market, and whoever wins, will also win the NEW audio format market. So either case, I will not have to show my penis on psynews in 10 years

Honey, you said: 4. Do you think that downloading (and any other forms of piracy) really hurt the Psytrance industry? Yes, imho it hurts psy and other less commercial styles way more than the commercial releases since psy has less listeners and buyers than commercial stuff to begin with. That's why I try to buy as much as possible. And because I love the music of course. You said that it hurts the psy scene. This is what I am discussing. I dont think it does.

No, you got to see how many people NOW are into psy, how many people were into psy before, how many labels and releases now and before. I bet you if you calculate it, its pretty much the same, and I dare to say, sales are %ually MORE. 1000 cds sold per month by 10 labels vs 1000 cds sold per 100 labels is NO DIFFRENCE in scene sales, right? People have more to chose from now, and dont really collect labels anymore, but buy what they WANT to buy, cause they had the chance to listen to a FULL preview. Let me add that listening through all these mp3's that I download is just the substitute to the time that I spent in recordshops 6 years ago. (which was around 2-4 hours a day) Edit: BAN mp3, make it so noone can listen to any mp3 anymore on ANY system on the earth, and i BET you a tattoo on my balls, that sales will go down even further.

weee a psynews member is in top 10. LUBEYOU Was wrong!

YEah, i would like to see what OOOD sold compared to today actually. Feelings apart, all my friends that have labels, tell me the same, sales gone down, artists earning more from gigs than ever. more labels, more moosik = less sales per label.

+1 to the rest. No more comment needed. Very good work Otto. I would buy it.

why are you even continuing the discussion?

yes, and artists are getting 5 times as much for playing than 5 years ago. Lets take the Techno scene, wich has less sales as well, and suffers from "mp3ritis conspiracy theory": I used to be able to book Adam Beyer for around 500-600 euros. Now I have to pay at least 5000 or more... And do the artists not playing enough?! NO WAY! They make on 2 gigs, what they would make out of 2000 sold copies, and they have around 10 gigs a year at least. (Im not talking in General here, so dont go flame me Colin).

is there ANY proof that psytrance sells less than it did before? and especially if you compare to the number of labels in the past when it sold more. I mean, what is the outcome in percentage, if you compare. I dont think its less, I think its MORE actually. Its the number of labels that is getting this down I thing. Even my friend that has a couple of techno labels complains more about the amount of labels with crap that come every month, more than mp3 scenes. I mean, lets say that there was 100 labels that sold 100 copies per month, I think its 1000 labels selling 30-40 copies a month now

Insider information can not be shared. Sowwy. However, have you checked PS3 sales lately?

well, I dont think that anyone would object to see me pwnd by daniel Other than that, I have very good inside information from people working for Sony that there is something in the doing, and we all know what happens when Sony tries to change something... IT CHANGES! (Whether we want or not)

Forehead is no go though, Ill do it on the side of my head for 2 months instead. I have to take into consideration that my forecast is wrong (which it aint) and I need to look professional at work at least. OR we could change it to I write it on my dick take photo and post here on psynews.

How do I know from WHO i order then? Send me a PM, and we will arrange something. I really want those 2

I dont have anything to trade for, but I would like to BUY the Secret Life of Trance ones, if you are willing to sell.

Lets change the criteria. I bet you there will be some other media that will have taken over CD's and CD's will be in the same area of the shops where the Vinyls are right now

@ Antic, yes. See below. @ Daniel, its no news to you that I dont agree with your on most of your views, is it? I dont have anything personally against you though (I disagree with a lot of my friends, but we still get along..), but I still have the right to voice when I dont agree with what you say. Your holy cheese comment, comon, do you really live in the past? Grow up?! Listen, Just cause I dont agree with you does not mean that I am some child, maybe you should think about that? Anyways, there WILL BE NO cds in 10 years. There will be BlueRay or there will be something ELSE that the big companies come up with. I am just not willing to pay for that format anymore. I rather download my stuff, store it on MY PREFERRED media, rather than follow the flow and bow down to the media corporate whores. I never liked CD's anyways. And you know why?! Its a media that costs even LESS than printing a vinyl album, but it costs you double the price to buy... BAAAEEEHHHH BAAAEEEEHHHH

oh, the wise guy aka ace insult, I have not heard that one since cinos anyways, you know I am right, and you know exactly why I commented like I did. (aka daniel vs nemo and the rest that believes in something that is not normal)

You will stop listening to music in a timeframe of 10 years is my guess, and you will also stop eating, cause they will only feed the sheep holes of the cheese

1. Do you download music from the web? Any kind of music. How much? How often? All the time. I have stopped with silly Previews from the sites that offer music. I want the full thing, in order to decide what to buy or not. 2. Do you download specifically Psytrance releases? All, and if its not to my taste it goes into the Archive bin. 3. Do you think that downloading (and any other forms of piracy) really hurt the music industry? Personally I don’t think I AM harming, but sure, those people who ONLY download are. 4. Do you think that downloading (and any other forms of piracy) really hurt the Psytrance industry? Same as the above. I believe in buying stuff, but I wont buy crap. 5. Would you like a world that every new album/comp would be released only in the web? Hell No. I would like them to be released in ALL formats, so I can fill my archive with even more and more… I am a collector of many labels, some of them so obscure that its basically not possible to get any of it anymore unless you download it. I started archiving by label many years ago, and I have a pretty impressive archive by now. Loads of the psytrance and techno is ripped by myself and put on the archive as Mp3’s. I don’t share these with any other than 3 very close friends, who are just as maniacs when it comes to have Complete Label releases, and do not spread them to other sites or offer them as Torrents. If I would find out that any of my close friends would do that, I would bust a cap in their ass! I don’t care if you think that its right or wrong. I don’t care for what the mp3 groups are doing, I believe that it’s the P2P/Torrent scene that has destroyed things, NOT the mp3 groups to start with. Fucking P2P kiddies!

i think what he meant was to make his own compilations out of stuff he owns? I do that all the time, so I can have some tracks super handy, and dont need to pack like 100 to get 20 tracks worth of music.

Why dont you paste the full review? I dont see the point by making this thread if there is no review in the thread. Do that or I will move to General.

Ahh did not see that thread, mine is based on the real deal though, not the samples. It is really after a 2nd listen really really good. The 2nd track, FUCK me, is blowing me away like the first time I listened to The Lone Deranger

nice cat Strydah http://www.juno.co.uk/products/296649-01.htm

Whoa, I just picked up this album and the first 3 songs on this album just totally blow me away! Music that I thought was not made anymore. Its full on, but its psychedelic, and its dark at the same time. It has some kind of progressive feel to it as well. What are your thoughts, is this the shit? edit. Sounds a bit X-Dream'ish at times (but not a copy, its a good thing)