NEMO.BOFH

Nemo, you're like that brat kid who won't go away no matter how much you slap the crap out of him. Please only post if you've got something grown-up to say. Pleeeease? There's enough stuff for brat kids who don't feel like reading before they respond in off-topic, no? You asked a question, I counter asked a question. Why is it important to label something? Is it cause we dont like actually talking about what we do, and with a quick definition we can go on to the next subject? I find that people talk less and less with each other nowadays, and use stupid technical terms that noone understands anyways, which makes discussion and argumentation boring. Okay, so you think that "musician", "producer" or "sound engineer" is what Beethoven called himself? No. He was a composer. What has changed since then? A lot. Given that a lot has changed, what do we call ourselves? Producers? Producers, why not? You're out on a date with a girl you don't know very well and she asks you what you enjoy doing. You say "producing"? "Engineering"? No. Well, instead of using a label, I would explain what I do, that I create music. If a label is needed to explain I would say Musician. You're at a wedding and a stiff academic asks you what you do. You say "production"? He'll ask what kind of production. "Electronic music production"? "Really? Like John Adams?" No. That's different. He was kind of a composer, although he wrote electronic "classical" music. "I write contemporary electronic music, but it's not classical. It's made for dancing." "I produce electronic dance music with help of computers and other electronic equipment" if I label it wrong, the discussion would pretty much die within seconds, cause he would not understand the label. Doesn't have the same succinctness as "composer". But we're not composers. Why? Why can't we be composers? That's an issue, I think. What's the difference between composing and what we do? What we do is manipulate graphics on a screen that merely represent the instruments. Is that like the notes that Beethoven would write on a piece of parchment? Is it? No. Maybe that is how you work, but I work with a keyboard and a guitar, I play notes on that keyboard or chords on the guitar. I rarely DRAW notes. I am no piano player, though. Its just another way of working, I can sit without even the computer being on, and just play, write down what I played, and then I open up the computer to re-create what I have just done. The computer is merely a tool to re-create my ideas and COMPOSITIONS. But given the above answer from you, you are not a composer, nor a musician, you draw your music, and therefor maybe you ARE a sound designer... sounds fancy, must give you that. edit: ok, I admit, I have drawn a couple of basslines in my time as a musician!

oh otto, get over it already you are soooch a cry baby sometimes. i just want to know why it is so damn important to label something? i mean, I play bass and guitar so that would make me a musician, but when I do music with the computer, I am not, then im a sound designer? I mean, sounds fancy and all, probably better than musician. But I have found out that people with the urgent need to label themselves are the ones that have problems with their identity normally. I AM a network technician/engineer, I am a certified NAS/SAN engineer, I am a certified.... but I never use those titles... they are just silly. So, why not just stick with the good old terms: Musician, Producer and Sound Engineer? (Oh, and my quote is directly taken from someone that actually SAID IT WITH AN S! It should have been Religions ARE... but nevermind mr. Nitpick)

why is it so important to label every little thing?

that never became classics for YOU! What about Genetic - Transmission (oh Colin is so gonna hate me now lol)

i like the randomness and the way you can program some vst's...

look for silly in a dictionary and you see a pic of mike

Juno Reactor - Guardian Angel

but to share the link for those who didnt know here it is: http://www.cosmosis.co.uk/cms/index.php?op...3&Itemid=40

strydr, one thing is spamming in the offtopic, but dont even THINK about starting in the fucking music making section!

OOOD - Free Range Soundfield - Audio Surfin' Hardfloor - The life we Choose Braincell - Mind over Matter and a couple of more hehe. I had a minor brain glitch when I posted this. sorry for the confusion in album name of Braincell. And also, I am NOT talking about the Braincell that makes full on whatever hehe, I am talking about THE original Braincell aka Cari Lekebusch http://www.juno.co.uk/products/289490-01.htm thats the release I am talking about.

i think he was referring to my opening up my juno alpha

various remixes of Zoo Brazil - Stars In Your Eyes

in the name of reger: :LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL:

cause im stupid enough to answer. can you please make that cup?

sampling, can you spell it? if it was not for sampling, a lot of music that you LOVE would not exist. if that music would not exist, you would not make the music you are doing, and you would not know music as it is today. if you sample and are creative about out, there is nothing wrong with it. if you are sampling, and you sound just like the original, you should think whether you are a musician or not I am sorry, but I have punctured every aspect of your argumentation, and here is another needle in your balloon. who says stealing when I actually BUY the presets? HOW IS IT STEALING when the preset came with the synth that I bought? The EULA actually tells me that I can use it however I want, and the result is MINE. I think you confuse stealing with plagiary? so why is stealing software bad? well, i think you know the answer to that question already. Tell me some of your favorite STOLEN vst's and I tell you what would happen if everyone would steal it, instead of buying it. sorry man, but you have NO ARGUMENT here, you are nitpicking and being annoying.

Dont worry, acidkills is just fetching for something, since he knows hes wrong STEALING software, but needs to get the attention AWAY from that. I bet you he uses presets as well.

All x2 (one of each still in Plastic) have also ripped it to mp3 and wav, and made copies (obsessive, yeah I know)

you said anything about good 1000$ speakers? I know enough speakers that are good for homelistening around the 100-200 euro mark. You are nitpicking Anyways, I am not going to discuss this with you anymore. Make music for headphone listening, but just WISH no dj will ever play your tunes on a party

dont make me compare you to Radi, cause thats what you sound like at the moment. PC SPEAKERS! And what cheap Ear Buds are you using?! On my Skullcandy in Ear ones, Astral sounds COOL! Car speakers? I happen to know what kind of quality they have... lowest of the crap. So please, cut the crap. You can not be serious that a release have to sound good on ANY FUCKING SPEAKER there is. I mean, I would be a fucking CUNT to demand that they should sound good on my tape recorder in the kitchen..... MAYBE people need to invest in some better stuff instead of complaining... but thats just me... if you love music, you love your ears, and if you love your ears, you dont get crap. Get a Grip! /pissed off mode off

No, you need to master them on god damn good speakers to sound good on the ones you mentioned, and THAT is an artform!

I found ALL Der Dritte Raum cds here in spain at FNAC (5 euro a piece) only a few lest though.

you should not have said! now its not funny anymore (and yeah, I did not get it, im stupid) Anyways, i dont care what he is up to, to be honest. If there is something coming, I will look forward to it, if not, then he just needs more time. And as for Twisted focusing more on internal artists, I mean... most labels do!

and I am sorry to add, that that would REALLY be a waste of time, if ANYTHING

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