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Sunsets do not exist in those colors on reality! How dare you insinuate such a thing?

I've found myself over the years changing the way I write (and talk, to smaller degree) so as to get my point across better. I guess I got tired of online misunderstandings.

Anyone can get tired of something, especially if they exclude alternatives. I'd say it's more an individual thing. I, personally, have continued to listen to other types of music even as I've gotten more into electronic music, so I don't get as tired of it. Or maybe your parties didn't change enough to keep people interested? It can also be a seasonal thing; people don't necessarily want to do the same thing week after week after week. They could come back months down the line if you were to try the same thing again.

As an abstract, something to just think about, I have no problem conceptualizing more dimensions. I have a problem visually seeing such an image and reconciling it with my mental notion of a 4 dimensional object.

Apogee is good but tends to be on the higher priced side, and I believe is Mac only.

Oh god, unelievably BAD perhaps.

I've never heard of any of those companies (except Asus, though I've never heard of them in the audio industry), and I'm always skeptical of unheard-of companies. M-Audio, MOTU, Focusrite, & RME are all good and in the lower price range.

I don't really remember the specifics, but Neurogen wasn't banned, he asked for his account to be deleted. Also: any member being harassed via private message can and should report it.

Interesting. I'd personally be happy to see varied output under the Hallucinogen name, as long as it was 'true' to the Hallucinogen concept. But a lot of people would freak out and say all sorts of bad things about it, I'm sure. Fuck em.

I completely agree, but this is also nothing out of the ordinary. I think anything, be it an artistic movement, technological advancement, or political ideal, shows the most change and innovation near its inception, and later on the changes are more incremental, more refinement than innovation. I agree, and I think this is at the root of the criticisms of today's psytrance scene. In the early days, artists would do whatever the fuck they wanted because they were exploring new ground, and if they thought a particular thing was psychedelic, or even just interesting, they would do it. Early psy was about the artists. But, inevitably, as time went on psy became more about the fans and what they wanted; and, again inevitably, any established artistic endeavor catering to a wide and varied fan base will begin to cater to the lowest common denominator. Thus, while we may see lots of praise of neogoa releases for being quality music compositions (which the often are), we also see lots of negative criticism about them lacking innovation (which they often do). Unfortunately, most of the true innovation in today's psy scene is in the hard, fast dark scene, which is an area that turns off a lot of goa fans (myself included).

I'm hardly an expert on these things, but I'd say 'dimension' is intended to be a generic word that can encompass all sorts of different concepts. Thus, time, while not being a spatial dimension, is still a dimension.

Pot calling the kettle black?

I didn't bother to visit the link, but... People feel that way? I sure don't. As far as what's 'psychedelic', that's such a vague, broad term that just about anything can be included. On the other hand, I personally think 'trancy' indeed requires some limitations. 'Trance' as a musical genre may have a broad range of sounds, but if you go back to the roots, to WHY the music was called 'trance' in the first place, there are some generally-accepted sonic and rhythmic qualities that tend to induce a state of trance. So, for me, just because a particular song is included in the 'trance' musical genre, doesn't necessarily mean it's 'trancy'; ie., doesn't necessarily mean it has qualities likely to induce a mental trance. Some trance songs CAN BE like that, but not all. And on another note, 'psychedelic' isn't at all synonymous with the concept of mental trance. The two may meet sometimes, but they are separate and discrete concepts. Well the monotone bass comment is just silly. Sounds like it came from someone who has a very narrow-minded view of psytrance. I do agree that repetitiveness is a basis for the state of mind that is trance, but trance as a musical genre should be considered a completely separate concept. I don't know if I've heard the brainwaves comment before, but there's never been a lack of people who, when they feel passionate about something, will make up pseudo-science to justify their passion. A more realistic physiological correlation is the 140bpm tempo that is common in trance: it is right in the range of a typical elevated/exercising heart rate, and thus good for synchronizing with the heart rate of people who are dancing. That's just silly on a variety of levels. For one, MIDI tempo is probably many orders of magnitude more precise than the average human playing a drum, which is the historical method for inducing hypnotic trance. Second, MIDI has no inherent clock drift, because MIDI is clocked from an external source, and thus any clock drift is entirely dependent on that source. Different clock sources can have widely varying levels of precision. That comment, to me, shows a complete lack of understanding of hypnotic trance, even though it may be largely true that 90's goa (or goa today) is on average not very hypnotic (in my opinion). If one were really serious about timing, there are worse culprits than clock drift: I've discovered on my x0xb0x that turning the filter resonance from minimum up to maximum causes the audio to be delayed by about 20ms. MIDI messages (full 3-byte message transmissions) take just under 1ms. This shows my x0xb0x is WAY more of a timing problem child than anything MIDI could cause. You can probably consider a real TB-303 to be no better than the x0x as far as timing, and likely worse.

While I know you're drunk, given your posts in the drunk thread, that's actually an interesting question: why does our universe have the number of dimensions it does? At least, the 4 we can readily observe.

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Well it's not so much a problem understanding, it's a problem seeing this: as a 4-dimensional object. And this. It's the perspective I have a hard time with, and we were just talking about 4-dimensional objects here. I've always had a hard time with perspective-based images; like those ones with an image hidden in a pattern, I could never see those.

Cream up your nose? I call quackery!

All my pants are getting too tight. I swear it's the pants. I'm not getting fat!

By the way, this thread left me feeling like an idiot. For a moment I had this vague idea of making a concept album in which the songs were titled not verbally, but with images representing different orders of dimension. But since I can't even conceptualize a 4-dimensional object represented in 2 dimensions, I can't hope to go further than that. I guess I'll have to be content with being Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel.

I don't know how much of a 'wonder' you could consider them, but Discogs shows Institut Für Bassforschung having only one vinyl single and a self-released CD-r, and only 3 songs on the CD-r have titles. My favorite is "Narkotische Früchte":

I've recently been watching a series called "Haven". It's based on a Steven King story I haven't read; probably a short story because I don't recognize the title "The Colorado Kid". It's not the best, but now that I'm a couple dozen episodes in, it's getting weirder and weirder and definitely taking on a trademark Steven King vibe. I like that they've made minor ties to at least two different Steven King stories (Misery & The Shawshank Redemption), and even gave a nod to The X-Files!

Calling NHJO...

This thread inspired me to go listen to We Interface again, and something occurred to me: the first song, "The 1st", reminds me a lot of "Live Fast - Die Young", which was 14 years earlier! Obviously it's not exactly the same, but it seems the later song is a natural evolution from the earlier.

Maybe you just have super strength! Were you bitten by a spider recently? Exposed to gamma radiation?

Exactly: one. Doesn't mean they'll do it again. Besides, that album was 9 years ago. I wonder if they'll really ever release anything again.