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I know, but it still struck me how simliar they started out and sounded. Sounds like one song is derivative of the other. Pleiadians = Etnica Crop Circles = Etnica/Pleiadians + Lotus Omega

Sounds kinda like Lunar Civilization. It certainly starts with the same sound and plays a similar line.

Both. For me perhaps the more important factor is subtle vs. explicit, or trancey vs. dancey. Of course, best is to blend all elements to one degree or another, but in psytrance I tend to like stuff more that focuses on the tranciness of the song over an in-your-face melody. And when I say 'subtle', I mean music that kind of tricks you into hearing the whole picture, melody, or whatever. And I think both 'subtle' and 'trancey' can occur in all types of psytrance: faster, slower, softer, more agressive... I can't come up with a ton of examples just off the top of my head, but here's a couple: Subtle: Chi-A.D. Explicit: Filteria Trancey: Hallucinogen Dancey: Infected Mushroom

Er......I was trying to agree with you. You said many people don't like the sound, and I was under the impression lots of people liked it. Did I not come across that way?

Really? I guess I haven't really paid attention. There was a topic started about how great Influencing Dreams is, but it ended up with more mentions of other artists. Still, I think I see that album standing the test of time, at least within it's style. I've got some albums released in the last few years that I was super-excited about at first, then they kind of diminished. The Artha album is not one of them. Admittedly it hasn't been around for many years yet, but still I think it will last as an example of great music.

That was better, although still doesn't seem up the same caliber as IFO. And it has the same overall production sound, which likely means the whole album sounds that way. Something just seems wrong about it. It seems a step down from the production quality of IFO, like it's more amateur. But I'll admit that it took me a while to really get into IFO. Maybe it would be the same for this album. That was pretty boring until the acid came in! Also I was going to complain about not being able to tell who it was, but here in the post box I can see the code that gives the URL and tells me it's Ace Ventura. Any idea if there's a way to alter the Soundcloud tag so that it posts the title of the track? Or would such a thing be on Soundcloud's end?

Shit, that's exactly the stuff from him I hate! I can't even read that because it makes me feel strangely uncomfortable. Honestly - I read the first 4 emails (2 per person) before I got disgusted. Like I'm ashamed to be of the same species as someone who's such an asshole. And for no reason other than to amuse himself.

Let me restate what I meant by my post. It's not pointless to try to make a change you think needs made. It's pointless to start a thread on an internet forum and attempt to get a consensus on reclassifying music from one genre name to another. Even if we all magically agreed to stop using the term 'goa' to refer to anything other than a part of India, it would have absolutely no effect in the overall world-wide scene. I don't know if you've ever observed or considered the fluctuations of mass opinion, behavior or action, but the individual rarely changes the course of the mass just by deeming it so. It has to occur naturally. I'm speaking here in terms of entire movements, scenes, etc. Take this for example: in 1979 a group people involved in with psychedelics in various ways decided that 'psychedelic' was not the best term to use for certain hallucinogenic (to use the medical term) substances. They invented the word 'entheogen' and decided it was better suited these particular substances. It means "generating the divine within"; they decided this was a better term in part because it refers to the substances' use in spiritual ways, and in part because the word 'psychedelic' had come to have too much negative baggage. The word 'entheogen' is still used today in the psychedelic community (not speaking of psychedelic music here). Not by everybody, but by enough. But it's not used today because these fellows set about trying to get everyone around to use it instead of 'psychedelic'. They just changed their own habits, explained the difference they saw in the terms when the need arose, and naturally over time a part of the population started using the word 'entheogen'. Apologies if anyone thought that was too much of a tangent, I'm just trying to make a point.

I get what you're saying, and agree with it to a point. "Weird" can indeed give artists a more unique sound, but it doesn't necessarily make the music better. It can, but weird stuff, in general, doesn't make better music. One still has to be able to write good music. I'll point to the example of Blue Planet Corporation. I don't consider them to have much weirdness, but they wrote quality melodic music. I also like Dimension 5's Transdimensional a lot too, but it isn't particularly weird. While artists like GNOTR and Hallucinogen stand out in part for having a bit of weirdness, there's also something to be said for music that mainly tries to be trancey (and, of course, good and unique). I think it's probably just easier for an artist to stand out when their music has some aspect that is relatively unheard of before in the genre. That doesn't mean another artist doesn't make good music just because they're not trying to stand out. To summarize, my opinion is: there's nothing wrong with quality music that isn't trying to be "WHOA! So out there!" Take a pot, throw in some "whoa so out there", some "quality made familiarity" and some "rehashed crap", and you've got yourself a Real-World Music Genre Stew.

OK don't kill me, but I had never heard anything from Family of Light before and...I didn't care that much for it. It was OK but wasn't particularly trancey, and the modulations seemed like they were thrown in without much thought. Didn't seem very well-produced either, even taking into account the fact the sound came from a Youtube video.

Here's an example of the stuff from him I don't like: Being a dick to someone who deserves it is funny. Being a dick in general isn't.

In 1995 the computer was just doing MIDI sequencing. Audio applications existed, but nothing like today. Even then, MIDI sequencing didn't take much in terms of processing power.

Good classic non-psytrance stuff!

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The terms people use for musical genres, artistic movements, historical eras, etc. evolve naturally through common usage. Sometimes terms fall out of fashion and get changed to others, sometimes they don't. It's rather pointless to try to change these things intentionally. If you personally don't want to associate this music with Goa, just stop using the word. Lead by action, not persuasion.

Nice!

I usually find his emails annoying but that one was great!

Hey there's some good music in this thread! I approve!

BPM isn't the only thing contributing to the "darkpsy effect" - that fast, frenetic feel. A song at say 145bpm with a 1/16th note bassline and lots of 1/16th & 1/32nd notes and percussion hits and fast modulations can have a faster feel to it than one at 155bpm with more leisurely notes.

Reported!

I think I saw Devil Driver as an opening band for Opeth once. Not bad, but didn't excite me much.

I've seen them a couple times. Pretty good live. One time it was kind of funny because the vocalist was talking to the crowd between songs in that rough, cookie monster voice, and he couldn't keep it up. His voice cracked up into a normal voice and he was like "Uh...uh..." then a moment later went back into the cookie monster voice.

They looked like they were having fun. That's all that matters!

Hmmm, one song...one song... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJAeu4LawUI