transistor91
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Something tells me none of these "new school" artists will be remembered in 10 years, let alone considered classics, while the original goa masters will still survive. Reason: Because their music really sux. You gotta be doing drugs++ to like it.
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I listen to whatever music I find to be good, and that hasn't been any new Goa Trance in over a decade with one or two exceptions (for the most part I've stopped seeking new Goa music altogether). I don't understand the craze of the Goa scene, a group of people focusing on this dead old style of music and talking about how they're "keeping it alive" or "bringing it back" by supporting imitative crap. Sad people.... I think maybe they did too many drugs are have nothing else to turn to in the world. But hey, I think the same of most genres of music and they all have "scenes", so maybe I'm the one that has the problem. Maybe the Goa scene is thriving and has never been better... who am I to say otherwise, that's just not my personal impression. Regarding unreleased tracks... you're right that most of them don't deserve to be released, but we can't stop that. As long as the craze exists around Goa Trance, artists and labels will to try to exploit it for their own profit. Almost of the artists from the 90s have moved on. They're very different people nowadays. The magical period of Goa Trance is long dead, and none of the new artists have been able to add anything to its canon. But don't despair. It's still in our memories, we can still listen to the old greats, and we can still search for and form new magical periods in other ways. However, it will takes a lot of creativity and ability to think outside of our boxes and change the world around us. Goa Trance happened to fit into a social niche two decades ago, but it no longer has that, and that's a large reason why it's lacking soul, authenticity, and not fulfilling. Perhaps we will always long for the old days when the world was more free and we didn't feel so much like lost slaves living among zombies without an identity.
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+1 What is the rumor, technosomy?
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Almost all people are frauds and/or idiots. Seems like a fact of our world. :-)
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Um.. What's wrong with "Amithaba"/Felipe?
transistor91 replied to Shpongled247's topic in General Psytrance
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Oh great, someone who doesn't own the original is here to say that the "differences must be minimal" and "I can't hear nothing". How do you expect to hear any differences when you don't actually compare it to the original? Red herring. Nobody is criticizing the amount of work that went into this release, and a large amount of effort going into something does not make it immune to criticism. Ironically, it's the likes you who are making the emotional posts in this thread. Lots of exclamation marks, fallacious reasoning, ad hominem attacks, and absolutely nothing to add to the rational discussion that some of us are trying to have. Faith in humanity based on this thread would be pretty low.
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"Healthy" is a very arbitrary term. Once you define that, we can discuss to what degree music is healthy and when it's unhealthy.
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I think we all understand your comments loud and clear. You've buried your head in the sand and there are NO problems, NO criticisms, NO flaws, even if numerous people are saying otherwise. "Period." You also can't hear the distortions pointed out in the remastered version, which puts your hearing ability into question. Have you actually done a detailed side-by-side comparison? Did you normalize the loudness in that comparison? (It can be tempting to think that louder = sounds better, which is why the "loudness war" exists to begin with.) Yes, let's just ignore the critical feedback and instead focus on the positive feedback from others, most of whom probably haven't done a comparison with the original mastering. Ignorance is bliss.
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Look for a hostel to stay for cheap. Wander the beach, do some hikes or fishing, maybe ferry to Vancouver Island and check out the Butchart Gardens or something if you're into that.
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Here's one more fun piece of data for you guys, regarding the track "Let's Turn On". The numbers are one quantitative measurement of "dynamic range" and they're on a scale from 1 to 20 (higher is better). Tantrance 1 (1995) Yellow (1995) Let's Turn On (1996) Goa Trance (1997) Goa-Head Vol. 2 (1997) Let's Turn On - Remastered (2015) Based on these numbers alone, the least compressed version of the track available may be the original album on TIP records. The worst available is this remaster. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to compare the different versions of these tracks with your ears. Obviously that's the best, but it's not something I can do for you. I suggest using good headphones and something that will let you switch between the tracks in real time (something like the ABX comparator I used, but there's probably something better out there). I'm not sure whether the dynamic range was lowered so as to increase the loudness (this is my fear), or whether draeke personally likes flat music. Anyway, that doesn't really matter and there's no changing it now. My agenda here isn't to discourage anyone from purchasing the release, only to inform them and maybe to encourage draeke to get a new mastering engineer for future releases. I'm not an expert in this field, so others may have more to say on it. I see that draeke mentions his credentials a lot, but the things he says have not convinced me that he's an expert either. I'll be watching this thread. Cheers
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Unlike you, I don't care about any old idiot's poorly expressed opinion on the internet. The reason why is that most idiots' opinions are uninformed, unintelligible, full of fallacious reasoning, and so on. Yours is a great example. You've added absolutely nothing of value with your post. Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't mean that you have to, too. Now if you had some charts, evidence, numbers, data, or something intelligent to add to the discussion, then I'd care a lot more about your "opinion". Actually, the entire last page of this thread is a sad demonstration of the state of our world. I posted some EVIDENCE. My post was followed by numerous objections. 0% of those objections contained any evidence. 100% of those objections contained personal attacks and logical fallacies.
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I was planning to ignore Balance (already reported his pointless spam above when I first saw it). Of course he's trolling again and trying to bait me with his vituperation and ad hominem attacks. Hopefully, when a moderator gets on, all of this spam will be deleted or moved to a separate thread and we can continue talking about Doof - Let's Turn On. Take his tough guy talk with a grain of salt since he was crying in the past about getting beat up at bars ("I used to always get punched when I went to raves, pubs, clubs or gigs."). I think he romanticizes just how tough bars are and likes to dream that he got beat up by the biggest, meanest, Hell's Angels bikers in the outback.
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I listen on HD800 headphones and used the foobar2000 ABX comparator to switch between the tracks from old/new mastering in real time. Differences in mastering are very obvious. Are the differences good or bad? That's a very subjective question. For me they are bad because they are louder, harsher, brighter, and noisier, which I don't like and which gives me listening fatigue, and because I already liked the originals as they were. But others may prefer this mastering. I only hope that those who like it don't speak out of ignorance but actually do a comparison so that they can have an informed and intelligent opinion. Unfortunately I know that most users on here would never say anything remotely negative about it because of their emotions towards draeke. Anyways, here's a waveform comparison of Star Above Parvati for anyone interested. (Similar story in other tracks as well, I'm sure.) Original: Remaster: Original (zoomed in on peak): Remaster (clipping?): Remaster (clipping?): But hey, at least it's now loud enough that draeke can hear it over top his screeching Italian grandma (without even having to touch the volume knob!)!
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I've done some A/B comparison flipping between the original TIP Records mastering and the DAT Records remastering of most of the tracks. What I've noticed is that the remaster is LOUDER and that it has less dynamics (all sounds are generally very LOUD). In most tracks the remaster is brighter as well, and some have extra reverb. Another track that was ruined IMO was Star Above Parvati. It's unfortunate, but I guess the loudness war is still ongoing in Italy. Personally, I will stick with the original. Although the remastering is probably not too bad or noticeable for users who aren't familiar with the original, it's the type of mastering that would give me listening fatigue. I'm not a huge fan of very harsh, loud, and noisy sounding goa trance music. I prefer softer, more organic, and more dynamics. But I've noticed on numerous releases that DAT Records seems to like loud, harsh, and compressed mastering. Just my honest $0.02, and I don't care how much love and care anyone put into it -- that doesn't change the facts. P.S. - I encourage the "naysayers" to do a comparison themselves if they care about the quality of the mastering. And if they don't, then I'm simply not interested in hearing what vile things they have to say.
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There we have it folks: the final proof that the remaster is good. I don't care what draeke says, what Nick says, or what anyone else on here says; if Balance's 3 year old child likes it, then we know it's a high quality remaster. Fuck yea!
