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Prog/F.O. is part of the psynews world too. There is no law that it needs to be goa or "darkpsy" whatever. Until the admins say there is a law I am not very organized like you tbh. I do not know at the beginning at all how a track would sound. But I also have no genre - guess there are 5-6 genres in which my tracks could count..

I used Veracohrs file but all drums/percs are in the same track (in his file), if I get them to 3 seperate ones, I use it as it is - with some changes. Bass I use his one and also made another one with 1 of the lines being modulated/filtered the other being the more static one.. man Goa/Psy music for sure can be better made with hardware, just edit on the fly and record. I find it more difficult with software to get "moving/living" sounds...I have 2 HW synths but not connected/stored away.. Your example is good enough I guess, why not make it longer and use it as PSYNEWS EP track. Ofc the problem is time, right? PEOPLE can now vote on BPM like I said above, but ALSO vote for what speech sample you like ! I have a whole bunch, but not typical "goa" speech, or does anyone like Pearl Harbour under attack or Hitler or Taxi Driver movie in a PSYNEWS song ? Btw. in case of Hitler and PH both the speakers are dead now, is there still copyright on them ? Other samples I remember to have, Apocalypse Now,2-3 xCNN news, 4-5x diverse horror/B-movies...these famous films might be problematic with copyright I guess...

Key does not matter I just fiddle with it to fit (therefore the midi)... I wonder tho 130 is too slow ? Do not like super fast tracks but perhaps using 133 instead (?) Vote people for a BPM! Note over 140 and under 120 please. Btw. this may take a month or longer but I WILL come up with a track good or bad around 5 - 6 mins ( ) Until serious life issues may intervene.. Everyone who takes part gets credits as due for sure ! Others can still make a track too, then we might have a small EP (3-5 songs) for PSYNEWS tracks or so

Same here, kinda busy... but will try. You can provide 1 or 2 of your melodies also, checked your tunes and surely you have something unused or a bit differing one from what you already used (eg. some AP or BluePl.Corp like thingie), you can post it here for everyone to d/l just state the BPM and provide a wave (16bit enough) and midi. Best would be 130 bpm..or sent it to me ...

It would help if you can tell us the BPM you used in the melodies? You do not need to send it tho I try to fit it in anyways...

Thanks for the idea, I have not heard of cash4web (but I am living under a rock anyway)... at least the website is located in Austria: https://www.paylife.at/paylife/service/imprint So it might be a thing only for your country (?).. Well we talked so much about this now, guess I will go ahead upload a track this evening or tomorrow morning... or if in the last moment someone RISES his finger and wants to use his track/channel...

Download worked, also importing it.. But have a question is there an easy way to make 3 seperate tracks from the drumtrack, this one contains all drums and percs in your file. I did this the same years ago, but using 3 seperate tracks for eg. kick, snare and "higher up stuff" is way easier to EQ etc. I could ofc just copy the notes to a new track but is a bit too fiddly and time consuming... Seems I am quite lazy or unproductive in my music making I did nothing at all for ca. the last 2 months I am now trying to do something at least every 3rd day and also working on this file... Which bpm range did you want to use for this track? For now I put it at 130.. BTW, found a video from Bill/Cosmosis where he also shows/talks about AudioRealism Bassline (I guess 2 as it looks exactly like mine) and it sound also kind of "weak ass" there, good to know it´s not myself being to blame

MP3.com ? That must be like 15 yrs. ago or more, I remember the name A.Pussy from there and 5-6 other artists that became "something bigger" later. Sadly my (ex)band was not among these but at least they stayed trvee kult 2 or 3 songs from us were in the genre topten there IIRC (bandname was Split Effect who knows if someone remembers LOL) Need to check the pussies out to remember how they sounded....

I noted per coincidence that FLAs new album is on NO.1 in the German Alternative Charts...I did not know they have a new one, took listen to 2 songs and was...dissapointed... I mean their 2018 album was kind of a smasher for my taste...here one of the top tracks and it is not even OT I mean it has some psy elements Most claring prob FLA ever had was lyrics But in fact instrumental I gladly take 4-5 songs from this album as level for my own music... and btw. even if I only like older VNV Nation here a really catchy song (most newer from them are kinda "catchy" or "poppy" but I think this one has also athmosphere making it more then (future)pop...

The idea was using ONE track to push from eg. 5 different promoters and see the effects it has. I can provide a track or eg. recursion if he wants..My track is somewhat cheesy or "melodic" too so perhaps a bit mass appeal compared to older ones..genre tech-trance perhaps. Or Kirmes techno ? Kirmes in English = fun fair ?

I am not sure if I sign that, "perfect" quality does not mean = good music for me. Take some earlier hits some sound kind of rough but have energy and grab more attention (from me at least) then polished stuff like Astrix etc. But to each his own And that goes for Metal even more then electronic genres.. Edit, guess I missunderstood what AP meant...

I have read a bit, seems the sellers providing "real" views and say they do not use bots (how real they are one does not know of cause) all "guarantee" the channel does not taken down. They do not provide the views as a huge wave but often over over up to 4/5 days. They also when using their service one should not buy views from another service in this time period. Guess 3-4 days time period for every "promoter" is ok... in fact the biggest hurdle for me seems to be payment method, I have no credit card and do not like paypal much. I found 2 promoters in Ger which also accept Überweisung (bank transfer?), guess I use one of these. Link to German provider (NO add for the particular one I have never used it or any other). Might be a bit more expensive on average (?) However if it goes to a catastrophe of some kind I can drive there and complain in person, Hagen is only 65-70km from me https://www.followerfast.com/youtube-klicks-kaufen/ Edit, to add: Well this idea might be total BS... HOWEVER alone the fact that so many of these "promoters" exist proves that also MANY use these methods, this is quite clear/self evidenced.

I am willing to try it out, it is simple, I make a thread in the OT section (cause it does not really belong to music making section imho).. my YT channel is more or less "dead" anyway (I get perhaps 20 views / week for my own videos).. I upload the song, give the URL and anyone who wants can "buy" something but no more than 10,- or so (if one has more money he can spend 15,- perhaps) he posts the seller url and what he has ordered. I provide also the stats in the thread. These selllers only need the video URL as I have seen. Also anyone can play the vid and thumbs it up, who does not want to spend any money...(I will also buy something of course)---Or should a new channel be created, so risk is lower that my channel gets hurt? But I believe the worst that can happen is, the vid itself may be deleted or at least the views discounted if YT has now perhaps updated their "AI" to detect such "cheats" (?) I saw 3 people interested (incl. me) here if we get 5 it could be worthwhile I guess... I do not know if the video can be monetized cause my channel is not. If this monetize thing works and the vid would earn something I report it and if it is enough I pay the buyers back.. (EDIT, conditions are not met for monetizing so forget it) If 2 more persons interested to take part, I go ahead.. Overview of some sellers: https://increditools.com/buy-youtube-views/ @Tropcial Bleyage: Well produced, but lacks some "teeth" so to speak Or something surprising what kicks you from the slumber....

I did not know these artists at all - but one thing is clear the "scene" could not generate the play numbers of these, so you can say they branched out to the "mainstream EDM scene". I guess "old schoolers" would even ignore often this new kind of Psy so one can assume most of their audience is outside this scene. And the answer to your question is already given above (connections,promotion,luck,somewhat catchy tunes...and then what this thread explains one can do these days "Buy an audience") However also this is not new, in the past record labels would buy their own CDs for example. Do you know this faboulus movie "Margin Call" ? What the boss says at ca. 6:00 reminds me on this topic

I have the impression if one has not say 2000% luck over the normal "luck/not luck courve" one needs to spend for every hour in music 2 hours "promoting" so your song gets more than 20 plays Yes, quality might still be important, but as we know a big% of songs in the charts lack quality so with good promo and lots of luck and connections I guess quality might only be on the 3rd place of importance. Also one needs to be an accountant these days too I looked up some channels at YT I found eg. Damian Keys who runs some kind of promo firm and offers courses etc. but his free vids are already interesting (in a way that I do not want to do this job) also here this guy: My Song Got 40,000 Streams on Spotify. Here's How I Did It. He has videos 1 hour long and most of it seems to be some kind of book keeping / accounting of numbers LOL Accountant was NOT MY dream job tho. I heard 30000 tracks (of course some of em might be only loop, demos or old songs already released) are uploaed to Spotify EACH DAY (?) I hope I get that wrong and it is at least each week...

See here, where an (alledged?) insider talks about these technics, in German tho. The title translates to "The Rap hack, buy yourself in the charts, how click numbers are manipulated" Der Rap Hack: Kauf Dich in die Charts! Wie Klickzahlen manipuliert werden @RTP: I like this experiment and wanted to do this myself also one day, seems no one was interested in your idea tho. If it is guaranteed that not a complete channel at YT can be deleted if this is detected by the "AI" I can contribute a video/song recently released for example (it is kind of tech-trance stuff not psy - but for this experiment it does not need to be psy but at least some related genres imho). But I doubt anything comes out of that, as recently it seems forum member working together worked out seldom (like the psynews track or is this still in the works?)

@Manuser:The artist himself I would probably not have found, but YES this choir sounds familiar...edit ah ok Talamasca - remember the track name need to re-check it...did you get the idea from the comment on the track: Duch91vor 3 Jahren Kaval Sviri - beautiful bulgarian love song. ? @astralprojection: Style reminds me on Portishead, if you say TripHop

The name of the "physician" in above article rang a bell and I googled him, he is not a medical doctor in my view. He did however "debunk" some other "conspiracies" in some other older article (not C but perhaps moon landing etc.).which I read and found weak so I remembered him... But can you believe it he also wrote a book with me on the cover !! https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/418omENx2QL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg In 2019 here link to book (also not about C-Virus but now he is an expert on vaxxes for C in above article) yeah right... https://www.amazon.de/Verschwörungsmythen-verdrehten-Fakten-verkauft-werden/dp/3777627801 See, no coincidences anymore for me, this guy seems a paid shill and was dragged through the media before selling "CT´s" as mentally sick or greedy money stealing people (some of them are yes, mayn are not and many CT´s turned out to be true) Oh and whow what he says here: Die Corona-Impfung ist besonders gefährlich für Allergiker Gegen den Wirkstoff ist niemand allergisch. Wenn überhaupt gegen die Zusatzstoffe (WTF?). Diese sind aber auch in vielen anderen Arzneimitteln enthalten. Da unterscheidet sich die Impfung von Biontech und Pfizer in nichts von einer herkömmlichen Impfung. Im Gegenteil. Das Risiko eines anaphylaktischen Schocks ist bei einer Grippeimpfung viel höher (really?) , da diese mit Hühnereiweiß hergestellt wird. or here: Der Corona-Impfstoff ist nicht ausreichend getestet worden Das ist ein Schlussfolgerung von Laien, die das ganze Prozedere nicht kennen. Sehr viel, was normalerweise in den ersten Phasen einer Impfstoffzulassung passiert, war schon fertig bevor (! means in English the C-vax was ready BEFORE C existed, do you need to know more) Corona überhaupt existierte. Das lag nach SARS in der Schublade (REALLY? see what I said above, earlier "epidemics" like "SARS lolol) OOPS more from the specialist "pysician" sorry German, perhaps put it in a translator. An der Impfung will sich die Pharamindustrie bereichern Impfstoffe machen nur zwei Prozent der Kosten für Arzneimittel aus. Die größten deutschen Pharmaunternehmen stellen zum Beispiel gar keine Impfstoffe her. Und selbst bei großen internationalen Produzenten, beträgt der Anteil am Gesamtgeschäft nicht mehr als 25 Prozent. Im Pharmamarkt sind Impfstoffe deshalb eigentlich kein großes Thema (Perhaps but for Biotech and DNA companies!) Richtig viel verdienen kann man damit nicht, weil sie eben auch nicht teuer sein dürfen. Für die Branchenriesen geht es bei Corona-Impfstoffen eher ums Prestige. (REALLY? These giant (=Riese) companies do not care about the money, but for their prestige.... so NOT for the health of the people but their PRESTIGE (or image), whowww "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." Franklin D. Roosevelt

Surprised to find a nice and mostly civil discussion about that topic. I have not much to add, but a lil hint I am more leaning towards the "conspiracy" side of things. Except what @astralprojectionmentioned you can also look up Klaus Schwab and the WEF (World Economy Forum): Btw. as recent times show the "conspiracy theorists" were mostly right warning of 1984 and Brave New World...eg. "contact tracing" is pure NWO stuff imho. There would be so much to say but I understand this topic is sensible and one just wants to beat down someone who has a differing view then the "official line" on a deadly disease this is understandable.. But 2 anecdotes - there are researchers out there, who found many hints in popular culture like movies, books and music for an event what could be described perhaps as a 2nd 9/11 and the location is somewhere on the westcoast of the US. Well that did not happen so far (terrorists - bombing or natural disaster is in the books) - this is called predictive programming or also foreshadowing. Partly it became true cause in Seattle (= westcoast) was the first US case of C plus there is Microsoft HQ and Gates lives or lived there. - here a somewhat funny thing, the address from the biggest German vax company (also they do cancer treatments) which gets a big contract from the gov for lots of vaxxes probably not on the cheap is: BioNTech SE An der Goldgrube 12 (=goldmine) 55131 Mainz Deutschland Edit some headlines: Impfstoff-Produktion: Biontech fordert mehr Geld – für drei Milliarden Dosen Biontech fordert staatliche Investitionen für Ausbau der Impfstoffproduktion Biontech wünscht sich mehr Geld für Impfstoff-Produktion OH YEAH i also WISH ME MORE MONEY... but I am a "useless eater" and not a Biotech company, or millitary, or bankster or Milliardär (sp in English?). Do people remember past "epidemics" ? Like bird flu etc. Millions of doses of vaxxes had to be trashed but the companies earned of course. As it turned out the diseases were just not very dangerous (in the past).. using the "history repeats itself" term and can for sure speculate it may be the case this time too. Only the measures etc. are much more enforced, perhaps these earlier "epidemics" were kind of test runs of the big one we have now ? Just asking questions and speculate a bit...not to mention the dozens of docs and profs coming out with the same. Past experience and events have told me that there are very rarely coincidences in politics or economics..- also what proves you when your test says positive it is not just either the flu itself or a simmilar virus. A serious flu is deadly also to old and weakened person.. 80 year old dies when he has an heart attack, later they "find the virus" in him and the death certificate then says C has done it.. yeah where is the normal but can be deadly flu gone? Are flu cases now C-cases? Mh. Oops a bit to much written...lol Personal note, I have not gotten any vax in the last 12-13 years or so, I did not get a serious flu or something simmilar at all. While I remember when I was younger I got shots which as a child is partly mandatory anyway. And I was often sick when I was younger also stomach problems etc. Ok, I also did not eat the healthiest ways. My personal conclusion is vax seem to more promote illness - one can of course totally have other experiences but that is mine. Well if one looks at incridients of vaxxes there is eg. alluminium and it is rumored something with aborted fetuses (I hope from animals) this ofc may be really a bad conspiracy theory admitted. Oh luckily this what I said above is already "debunked" by the MSM and a physician here: https://www.op-online.de/verbraucher/impfmythen-finden-bei-skeptikern-und-verschwoerungstheoretikern-grossen-anklang-wissenschaftler-aus-bad-homburg-klaeren-auf-90176600.html Guess when they say so it must be true, right ?

Ah I know that one too and actually remember it well... somewhat chilly tune - but also a bit ruined by these "choir or voice" samples. Alien Project reminds on Alien Product darkelectro from Argentinia, they had some nice tunes.. I also clicked on half of the tracks in here and it clicked not for me but some were quite nice in somewhat naive "proto goa" way - if someone knows what I mean, probably not

Oh well I have this DCD too,I can not remember a single track.. perhaps the worst "Goa" sampler I ever bought, yes quite cheap, but....and this track is "okay" but not much more imho. ZYX music normally put out dance+pop, so no wonder they compiled this with not much knowledge of the genre at all. Funny the label is also located not far away from me, just like Akanoid

And here is the track "Sundance" (not on any album I think): Oh WTF up to 1:50 this sounded promising They surely know how to put irritating stuff in their songs

I have still an album from Akanoid, but it irritated me with some vocals, seems they went more to synthpop on that one. In fact I like some synth-wave-pop but Akanoid seemed on the cheesier side of things. Not like old Depeche, Beborn Beton, Wolfsheim or so (from those I like almost all "older" works). I always somehow associate Akanoid with Element, I believe later Element tracks also had some kind of vox and both are from Germany. Transform album however has some kewl tracks. Even I know the Space Cat track lol But I believe it was not so much my taste, need to re-listen - just now .. ah quite nice tune, bit too "melodic" perhaps (yeah I like melodies too but it must have a not cheesy feel..I am gulity of cheese too you know it lol) Here a link for Akanoid (ger): https://www.backstagepro.de/akanoid Brings back memories not only was I right they went synthpop, vox and guitars - but also the new label from them was Echozone., I know this one well, when I was writing for a "dark scene/Indus/ebm/synth etc" magazine, the Echozone stuff mostly was quite poppy so was not to thrilled getting promos from this label (tbh). I even know the metalband from one of the members "Dark Millennium" Here the CD I have: https://www.discogs.com/de/Akanoid-Metamorphin/release/341867

If you want OLDschool, DARK and gritty stuff from around 2000ish here is an unknown artist in this (psy/goa) scene but somewhat better in the Indus/EBM scene. However he has at least 2 tracks which would be "on topic" in this forum. These 2 are "Sade" and "Der Teufel", to a lesser degree also "Civil War" I wonder if I am correct in this estimination. I still struggle to sort in certain songs, perhaps cause they still have more "Industrial" then Trance - no idea you judge...this is no happy, melodic goa - so do not beat me up if you expected that. You can just play all 7 titles in a row also the not so trancy ones: https://www.soundclick.com/artist/default.cfm?bandID=29989&content=songs Is only 128bit and mixing etc. not the best, but as I said kinda has grit or rawness to it - which seemed to still work for many listeners, as some of the tracks were in the genre charts even a No. 7 another on 13...

Perhaps the same, I noted not many people in the vid , perhaps 2-3 or so. But even a garage can be a club, it is just very trvue kult underground then