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  1. Lightforce
    Ok, after some modifications, here's the result : But I still have some doubts about the birth of the New School Goa Trance around 2003 rather than 2004. First Ypsilon 5 release was in 2004. And about Ethereal : => http://unreleasedgoa.blogspot.fr/2013/11/ethereal_7220.html
  2. Lightforce
    Because there was no sub-style born in 2002
  3. Lightforce
    It's not over yet, it lacks descriptions to add on each sub-style concerning their birth conditions, but here's the timeline. Feel free to tell me what you think about it
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    Some of the best hard banging tracks Indescribably creepy atmosphere The most brutal, darkest and unhealthy Hardcore tracks I've ever heard
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    "Highko ‎- Poison Brothers Making Noise", the 8th track with the featuring with Cosmo is named "High Tech". I don't know if it comes from this but it seems to me. PS : and again, thanks a lot for your great help
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    No, these 80% are not experimental because if they represent 80%, in this case this can be considered as part of the sub-style concerned. Example: admit that a minority of "Forest" artists combine their productions with IDM. If they remain a small minority, their production will be considered as Experimental. However, if the fact to add IDM becomes, not necessarily a majority, but at least more or less "current" among the "Forest" productions, in this case we will add this characteristic in the definition of "Forest" and all productions that are concerned by this blend then will pass in the "Forest" category and anymore be displayed as "Forest/IDM" but just "Forest" as it is precised in the "Forest" definition. Example of the example (inceptionxamples ) : given the number of genres and styles which consists Psychedelic Trance, when you tell someone that you listen to it, you tell him "I listen to Psychedelic Trance" and not "Me ? Uh... I listen to Psychedelicacidhousenewbeatebmhardtranceacidtrancetechno ".
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    So, by this logic, I'll take an example : "Shaolin Wooden Men - Supermindway" consists of Experimental Music, Industrial Music and Abstract Music. But it doesn't contains Psytrance or Goa Trance. Anyway, it seems to have its place in the Experimental category. Now, "Cydonia - In Fear Of A Red Planet" is composed of Goa Trance and Industrial Music. But it has no place in this category because it contains Goa Trance. So in this case "Ubar Tmar - Ubarpedia" has no place in Experimental because it is composed of Psytrance and Goa Trance, so it should be placed either in the category Goa Trance, or in one of the Psytrance sub-styles. Here is the whole problem of this reasoning. Now, do you understand where I'm going with this ? The idea is not bad at all but as it's already precised in the definition of Experimental (about blends of multiple genres), make one or more page for that tantamount to creating a new category, so much leave as is. In fact, we have both the same vision and understanding of what the experimental and non-classified blends are. The only difference is that I put them together for both presented albums as for their definition Finally, I can sum up like this : in the PDF, the Experimental category is an "Out of the box" category. Thanks, you're welcome
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    Ok, but once again we go back to the same point : in this case what allows you to differentiate incontestably and surely some albums between Experimental and Goa Trance ?
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    I understand your point of view, but if I create 2 categories, for example "Experimental" and "Uncategorized", what are the elements that allows you to differentiate them ? I mean, you'll always have albums where you'll not never know where to place them too much because it will rely more on subjective judgment. While the fact to merge these two categories into one eliminates these problems because their differentiation method then becomes much more objective in the sense that it is from a technical point of view that they are distinguished. This helps avoid endless debates and identify more easily the demarcation lines.
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    Proto-Goa, as it was presented to me, is a sub-style representing the beginnings of Goa Trance. A sub-style being in search of psychedelism. That does not necessarily mean that it should be composed of Trance (or other). This is the case of "Delerium - Spheres II" (Illbient and Ambient). Also, if I follow your rationale, "Ozric Tentacles - Arborescence" should not be found either in the PDF (as it's a cross between Space Rock and Ambient), yet this is the case. Hence my question: for example, what's the fact or technical element(s) that allows you to say that "Ozric Tentacles - Arborescence" is more appropriate than "Delerium - Sphere II" ? PS: Trilithon - Trance Dance 128 is already in the PDF. Ok, it will be modified for the next update In your case, "Juno Reactor - Beyond The Infinite" is a blend of "classic" Trance and Goa Trance and "Cydonia - In Fear Of A Red Planet" is a blend of Goa Trance and Industrial Music
  11. Lightforce
    Thanks a lot for your help So, to begin, I'll show a list of sub-styles present in the PDF : - Proto-Goa - Goa Trance - Nitzhonot/Uplifting Trance/Nitzhogoa - Psytrance - Full-On - Dark Psytrance/Psycore - Forest - Twilight/South African Twilight - Hi-Tech - Psyprog - Dark Psyprog - Natural Trance - Suomisaundi - Psybreaks - Psybient - Experimental Now, for each sub-style, I need to know what are the pioneers albums/EP who have led to their creation and what are the albums/EP considered to have accomplished the creation of each sub-styles. Obviously it also takes me dates so I can locate them on the timeline. (Proto-goa sub-style is excluded for pioneers albums/EP as it is itself a pioneer sub-style of Goa Trance) Let's go for archeology !
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    I don't think make it an encyclopedia, but I thought there was some time to create one or more pages containing a timeline of Psychedelic Trance sub-styles. But I would have great need of help with this kind of precise, tedious work. It would take me a lot of exhaustive informations from elders who experienced the various sub-styles in their infancy and the pioneers who participated in their creation.
  13. Lightforce
    New update of the PDF, you can download the new version. Here is the list of changes that have been made: - Modification of the definition in "Dark Psytrance" section - Slight modification of the definition in "Hi-Tech" section - Album replacement in "Goa Trance (New School)" page from the "Bonus" section ("In A Special Kind of Space" from Cosmic Dimension replaced by "Terrestrial Planet Finder" from Space Elves) - Various fixes
  14. Lightforce
    Thanks
  15. Lightforce
    Hux Flux's last album is awesome but still Full-On. However it is quite close to classic Psytrance style
  16. Lightforce
    Hi everyone, After having classified and listened quite "classic" Psytrance albums (old school), I perceived that I quite liked this particular sub-style. So my question is : is there still any "classic" Psytrance (with this fx driven Goa aesthetics) productions these days or is it a definitely dead style just as Proto-Goa ? For those wondering what it is => https://www.psynews.org/forums/topic/70402-the-psychedelic-trance-in-its-entirety Examples :
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    New update of the PDF, you can download the new version. Here is the list of changes that have been made: - Album replacement in "Nitzhonot" section ("Goldenfinger" from Goldenfinger replaced by "Speed Of Sound" from Trivia) - Modification of the definition in "Nitzhonot" section - Slight modification of the definition in "Psytrance" section - Slight modification of the definition in "Full-On" section - Slight modification of the definition in "Forest" section - Slight modification of the definition in "Dark Psyprog" section - Album replacement in "Goa Trance (New School)" page from the "Bonus" section ("Voice Of Jupiter" from Moonweed replaced by "Fragments Of Evolution" from Omnivox) - Addition of a "Nitzhonot" page in the "Bonus" section - Addition of a 2nd "Full-On" page in the "Bonus" section - Albums replacement in "Twilight" page from the "Bonus" section ("Pirate Signal" from Rinkadink replaced by "Reverse Mode" from Sidhartha and "All Or Nothing" from Solar Axis replaced by "Pirate Signal" from Rinkadink) - Various fixes
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    Ok, first of all, thanks for your help about this document. Now, to begin : 1) You're absolutely right about that, I had noticed myself that I had confused the two definitions there some weeks and know that the definition of Uplifting is already in overhaul for some time. 2) As you have said, bass result from kicks. But I can precise it. As you want. 3) And again you're right, I had noticed this nonsense too. 4) However I do not agree with you on the different meaning you give to these two terms. For me both mean the same thing and it would complicate beyond reasonable to separate the two. 5) Ok, I will precise it. 6) Some confusions from me with the term "Psygressive" and "Psy Tech". There are a plenty of sub-subs-styles and many people confound them. I've been helped by people that advised me this terms. Now I know that's incorrect. 7) Same thing here. Initially, I had placed it in the "New School" category but someone asked me to move it to the "Old School" one. So finally flashback. The difficulty of this work also lies in the large number of conflicting informations... 8) We can debate about it but as there is doubt I think leave it where it is. 9) For me Psykovsky's "Debut" album is Psycore but just slower Psycore. It just rid very fast BPMs on some tracks but keeps this swarming aesthetic repeatedly. However, it is true that he really is apart and often create debates due to his very personal style. Again, doubt is permissible. 10) Ok, good to know. Sometimes Psycore and Hi-Tech are more difficult to split. 11) A Twilight style that tends more towards Darkpsy than Full-On. For me it still remains Twilight but, again, there opportunity to debate. For others that's noticed. It will be modified (but I think I will keep Phatmatix in SA). Off topic : no idea what the word "kudos" means. 12) Sorry but I disagree with you about Urban Legends. For sure, there is Forest sub-style in this album, but I think it's far to be the only one. There is some Full-On and Experimental psytrance blends. As weird/different can be a Forest track, I've never heard anything like this that can be just called "Forest". 13 & 14) Ok let's explain what Experimental means in this document : it designate freestyle and/or experimental. Unknown kind of psytrance or unknown and unnamed combinations of Psychedelic Trance sub-styles or blends that include other sub-styles than thoses who are present in Psychedelic Trance are placed under "Experimental" flag. That's why Cyclotron (unnamed blend of multiple sub-styles), Moment Of Truth ("classic" Trance + Goa Trance) and Mother Pitch (Goa Trance + Experimental Psytrance) are here. 15) I understand this fact. But this is the only way to keep clear discussions around Psychedelic Trance sub-styles. For Ethereal, ok. But for Moonweed, why ? (And thanks for the album recommendation BTW ) Ok, why not. Let's change this EDIT : finally Ethereal album must stay in Old School => The first versions of tracks released on "Anima Mundi" already date back to 1999 and including an EP was available in 1999 as DAM CD distributed by MP3.com. The album has tooked a long time to be finalized and was finally released in 2003.
  19. Lightforce
    Some music in this compilation are not just Full-On but also blended with "classic" Trance and Goa Trance or deviate enough from Full-On rules to be considered as experimental.
  20. Lightforce
    New update of the PDF, you can download the new version. Here is the list of changes that have been made: - Addition of a personal note at the end of the pdf - Slight rectification of the definition in "Psyprog" section - Additions of representative label(s) for each sub-style - Addition of several albums in "Proto-Goa" page of "Bonus" section ("The Harlequin - The Robot And The Ballet-Dancer" from Sven Väth, "Eternal Brainwave" from Zen Paradox, "Ancient Future" from Third Eye, "U.F.Orb" from The Orb, "Spheres II" from Delerium and "Arborescence" from Ozric Tentacles) - Albums replacements in "Goa Trance (New School)" page from the "Bonus" section ("Tesseract" from PharaOm and "Space Of Power - The Legend about Great Existence of the Universe" from Various Artists replaced by "Under The Sun Of Goa" from PharaOm and "At The Mountains Of Madness" from Proxeeus) - Album replacement in "Full-On" page from the "Bonus" section ("Intelligent Being" from Braincell and "Unleash The Beat" from Sonic Species replaced by "Transformation Of Reality" from Braincell and "Grimoire" from 01-N) - Addition of several albums in "Forest" page of "Bonus" section ("Primal Contact" from Arjuna, "Under The Moss Vol. 2", "Under The Moss Vol. 3", "The Oldest Story", "Voices Of The Trees", "The Underground Never Dies" and "Forest of Banyan II" from Various Artists and "Eventyr" from Synthetic Forest) - Album replacement in "Experimental" page from the "Bonus" section ("Flight 604 | Chapter II" from Various Artists replaced by "Full-OM" from Eternal Bliss) - Various fixes
  21. Lightforce
    Any help from someone to finish the listing ?
  22. Lightforce
    You're right, thanks for the correction. I will change this for next update
  23. Lightforce
    Thanks Ok, I've edited the list to see those who remain.
  24. Lightforce
    Parvati is already taken for the Forest but thanks for the others
  25. Lightforce
    Thanks for your help Here is the list of sub-styles that still lack of labels in the pdf : Proto-Goa Psytrance Full-On Dark Psyprog Natural
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