astralprojection

thats so true.. ALOT of music, i mean at least the big bulk of it that we can agree is a bit "generic" sounding; for that music the main goal seems to be surgically perfected sounds; and the loudness to be pushed to absolute limits. Thats definitely making the music suffer

whyd you have to necro this thread lol. omg.

Sorry I meant after the end of loudness wars*, festivals could employ loudness mastering on the fly in addition to the peak limiting they already do. which is basically the same thing just one extra step. (that however do needs supervision; and thus much more costly than automatic peak limiting) Indeed small clubs will suffer because they won't have the budget (assumingly) to do this in any sort of controlled way.. (as it could potentially be dangerous and hurt peoples hearing) although its not a huge stretch either to assume they also will adapt to the "new" loudness well put. Continuing this road will lead to a kickdrum and everything else is square waves and the hihat is just white noise on top of the distorted squares. But yeah, probably that wont happen, but it IS indeed the end of that road. -8 lufs is just right for many styles, i do agree on that but just generally its right at the edge at least for pure goa. Home users are like you say; not really caring about that extra steps to ensure quality, but there's still alot that do enjoy fine wine aswell as fine music Landr probably distorts masters in many ways other than just the limiter *obviously alot of this wars HAVe ended, with streaming services just like you said. IMHO it doesnt get much better than for example MQA from Tidal. Thats really one of the bests way to enjoy music... its specifically mastered towards around -14 lufs i think? so there dont have to be any extra limiting added by the service itself; and its also ofc very high res. thats the best way to enjoy music currently for sure and i dont even have a tidal account i dont listen to enough music to justify it. at least not yet. but i get to use a friends account from time to time and it is truly a pleasure

Why wouldnt putting a leveling amplifier / limiter in the chain at festilvals solve it? Its very expensive, but a solid investment. That way it wouldnt matter what volume the program material was, it would normalise it to whatever you would want. Im sure many festivals already has this so basically loudness mastering on the fly.. theres already a sound crew so theres really no reason it shouldnt be able to get solved rather easily; If whenever the labels decide to put out non fully-limited-to-the-wall music. which is still, in 2019 not really great - . - -5 to -8 lufs (current norm) is a bit too loud in general.. -2.8 is just absolutely ludicrous Goatrance in particular sounds the very best when the kickdrum is clearly at the bottom and the hihats at the top,; with everything else front and center.. imho and thats even coming from me who really loves the clean/digital neogoa sound. In the future home users in addition to a dac and headphone amp/active speaker; could have a discrete limiter. I mean why not.. You have the best of both worlds; then. Instead of just the boring linear volume control, you have an actual threshold knob for the limiter. And then companies can compete on getting the best sounding pro-fi limiter. (TM) Ofc this whole premise relies on artists and labels to cease the loudness war, while still being able to ouput desired loudness at whatever event. #hAsHtAg give loudness back to the people

Haha indeed. But it would be great.. Many parties already have very powerful peak limiters and adding something like a la-2a should sound pretty good to increase loudness on the fly. It really doesn't have to be loud on the actual cd or download. Festivals could dynamically increase loudness instead. Small clubs will struggle and ofc let's not talk about the poor djs who will have to choose songs more carefully or invest in his and her own loudness limiter. Loudness should be chosen by the guy playing his/her music, the festival or the dj. In a perfect world..

youre on the right track, sounds really nice.

i think its probably not long until someone sets their foot down and others will follow, thats really all it takes. a "revolution" if you will :p maybe thats optimistic

alot of that is a natural progression in technology. its (was) a very difficult feat to allow such loudness to sound actually good; compared to a fully dynamic image. so as people got more skilled in mixing; aswell as the gear/software got better - its a feat of strength to be able to have a track be louder than your friends. while retaining a good sound.. ofc that was only true up until a point; to where it became the norm to mix and master for loudness. thats when i think it went downhill and we need to collectively reverse it; by simply releasing music thats more dynamic. again. but ofc the first people to actually do release such music (in the psy scene); will have tons of issues when they are much more quiet and lacking impact* like everyone elses.. i think we are probably stuck with making music for loudness :/ * of course this "impact" is very relative. if the norm was -12 lufs instead of -6 lufs; then the dynamic image at 12 lufs would have much more punch and impact as the limited -6 track.. but since the norm is -6 ; the track at -12 will sound really "bad" relative to all the -6 lufs tracks..

I'm still wanting to combine new school goa sound with other genres like hip hop, eurohouse/dance. Avicii / Eric prydz stuff but goa. Or j dilla and dj premier but goa. I think that hasn't been done yet. Considering these types of music are based in samples from the 60s,70s,80s creating goa around them instead of hiphop or eurohouse may be very cool. At least I plan on doing this at some point. Psy dnb like cybernetika is really amazing stuff.

would also like a track list! there are some tracks there i really just gotta know who it is its driving me nuts not remembering most of these tracks ive not heard for 10+ years thanks man i think theres one shakta and one cosmosis in there =)

it has broadened a bit; and i can appreciate good things in music now; that i wouldnt have say 10 years ago. even if the style isnt really to my liking. so thats a very good thing that comes with age i suppose =) but not really changed. i still like the same stuff i always did. the "dislike" pile has shrunk alot though

good mixing and good mastering.

id say our species is like a stubborn teenager. not very brilliant. but sometimes it works out ok.

haha is that really the way it was released? completely destroyed but such an incredible track holy wow

edit. mentioned them before.. so ill redact

very clean

i think the mixing is a bit boxy and midrangey; could probably mix in a bit more sub-bass and also the top end seem to be missing.

Please lior, don't master it yourself like you did Amen. Let it be done by someone else we need that. And also don't use whoever mastered goa classix... That thing was broken..

THIS IS "NEW OLD SCHOOL" 100%. WOW never heard the name sykespico before (again ignorance on my part) and just blown away by the supreme quality of the old school vibes. musically it seems extremely engaging already at first listen. have to come back to this later on . gonna give it the time this album deserves before i say anything else =) just wow

Don't forget to take extra vitamin b1, b6 and b12 with all that booze <3

ive only ever heard one pair of fostex. ugly as hell, almost uncomortable feeling like those worker radio/noise cancelling things. (thats a bit of an overstatement perhaps they were quite more comfortable than that) but the sound was indeed excellent so i cant say much more about fostex than that. although im very familiar overall with their high regard. and i would love to try out other pairs. i also dislike the beyers , with a passion. same with Audio technica. I cannot understand how people enjoy that kind of piercing grainy treble. and booooooooomy bass overshadowing everything else. the k712 i have are made in Slovakia iirc. they were never made in china; thats the k702/701. i never did hear the Hd600 but i have a strong feeling i would like that much more over hd650.

i meant alot

Easy to correct, and with proper amping they have excellent full body sound and detail last you for days. I prefer it way more over their sennheiser and beyer cousins. (HD650 and DT990) I don't really care too much about frequency response myself, it's more the depth and impact aswell as detail I'm interested in, and these happen to have that in abundance when u supply enough juice. With improper amping I find they sound shrill and lifeless. And with 64 ohm and 93db/spl they both need a very low output impedance aswell as q. uite some milliwatts. Reason I take offense in you calling them garbage I guess is slightly childish. I just know them to not be garbage that's all, and I pride myself on having decent ears. Also there is this huge discrepancy about amping that I really don't want to get into a discussion about Ofc they don't have anything on the audeze for listening pleasure but I only ever heard the lcd-x. Surely I pick the audeze in that case but for mastering/referencing even WITH the frequency balance being out of whack the detail takes it home for me and the near - speaker experience.

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