recursion loop

I think I finally got the bass (almost) right, did I? (the link in the OP is updated)

Finally got a chance to listen through the whole track. Really good work on percussion and voice samples, although I usually don't like non-melodic psy much, this was interesting to listen to. Love the gated pads in the breakdown and the dark groovy synths which come after that. The bass could be a bit tighter but it sounds nice and perfectly fits the track.

Incredible work! This sounds really great, especially considering how it has been made ( I know that Caustic app but I never thought that it is possible to make anything serious with it). Did you process the Caustic output anyhow? Maybe some sounds are a tad louder than they should be, and I also think that the track could benefit from some key changes, but great stuff anyway.

Nobody ever is I usually prorgram a steady 16th pattern (each note ends right where the nex one begins) and then the envelopes come into play. The psy bass is very sensitive to envelopes, +/-1% percent of decay or filer envelope amount can make a world of difference. Basically you need a synth with steady fast envelopes, dead-accurate retrigger and fat, meaty sound, I always felt that Zebra is a bit too thin and inconsistent for this. So far I was getting the best results with Sylenth. Padmapani, I guess you make different kind of bass, not the typical "machinegun" style? You seem to be a fan of U-He synths. I love Diva and Bazille, though I still haven't bought the latter. I really like the sound but I can't figure out how it should be programmed and I usually don't rely much on presets. The others never clicked with me. Hive was the biggest disappointment - they tryed to copy Sylenth but Sylenth sounds much better to me.

Ouch, i knew that it must be a FSB-curated project And what Fedor? This one?

No, but I think they have no idea who I am We talked here at psynews forum a couple of times but that's it. The event was great, granted that I haven't been at any gig since forever I really enjoyed it. I thought Lunar Dawn will play more melodic goa but they made a groovy and energetic dancefloor-friendly set I usually don't listen to such music at home but it really worked for dancefloor. Sonic Elysium was the real peak moment for me. He produces some kind of dark but very melodic psytrance, I know his music well but I couldn't even imagine that it will do such magic at big PA, he is a master. Yaleeni (a DJ girl from Peterburg with huge dreads) made great closing set going from banging acid stuff to morning full-on. Personal thanks to you, Anu, for telling me in advance about this gig.

Lunar dawn were good, especially the second hour. But Sonic elysium was fvcking incredible, really. Right now yaleeni playing - also good, all in all a great event

I noted that other people often like my tracks which I consider to be nothing special and ingore the ones which I consider to be my best. So this "I can't top myself" syndrome probably happens to anyone who makes some music but it is yet another thing which has to be just ingored. Actually it think the only way to make better tarcks is just making tracks, they will eventually become better. Btw, do you post or publish your music somewhere? Actually I am, but for other reasons.

How do you process the Zebra basses? Tbh, I have this synth but I stopped using it a while back, it is really flexible but there is something about its sound what I just don't like. I'm keeping my copy just for the case Zebra 3 will have better sound. My basslines are Sylenth and Spire. Well, if you asking for Zebra use examples, the acid line starting from 1:53, the squelches at 2:21 and the glide lead starting from 6:41 are Zebra

Thanks, mate! Thats's really inspiring!

Seems that the Renoise native stuff is pretty powerful, love these filters. Well, i guess if Arturia can control different plugins at once the Novation and M-Audio keyboards will also do. I'm planning to pick one later this year, now I'm using this thingie because of the space constraints

Sound great! What synth did you use? And are you actually able to assign different knobs to different synths and control them at the same time?

In fact when I stopped overthinking this I started actually finishing my tracks. Before that it was an endless recursion loop of "this is not good enough, that it not thought-out enough". My first completed psytrance track took me more than a year to finish (If I discount my another poorly mixed half-assed effort which has been finished and self-mastered when I was dead drunk but was surprizingly liked by some people here). I still don't consider myself good enough and sometimes i feel that my next track sounds worse than the one I've made right before that - this used to frustrate the hell of me but I now stopped bothering about this, it is counterproductive.

So Man With No Name is called Martin? I feel some contradiction here

Yeah, this is what I normally do - I check my stuff on 5 inch monitors (when my daughter is neither screaming nor sleeping which happens occasionally), on consumer speakers, at phone. Takes time to learn how to lsiten and what to hear but I think I'm slowly making progress. Thanks, that's good to know!

Thanks! No, there is no reverb on the bass, something else must be the source of the problem. I'm always struggling with the bass - it's either too weak or too fat. I'm mostly mixing in headphones lately so getting the right balance is somehow tricky.

I know IM music well, the abrupt transitions is kinda their trademark style. Well, if you choose that route there is nothing wrong with that, it's just me preferring more "floating" music.. Actually I do hear some obvious IM influences in your synth work, and some of your synths and melodies are really impressive. I'm listening to the second track again and I think that the track badly needs some more percussion elements, like hats and snares or claps, changing the percussion patterns may support the melodies and make the track more interesting. I was making music in other genres before switching to psytrance. Still I don't consider myself to be really good, I also have a lot to learn.

Whoa, thanks! Sure, I had lots of fun creating all these sounds and parts but making them work together in the track was somehow tricky, as you noted some things sound out of place so I'll have to look into it. I just need to take a break from this track for few weeks. All synth sounds except for the bass are from Virus which somehow forced me to make these ravey-trancey leads - they sounded so authentic so I couldn't help myself putting them here I'm more or less happy with the bass here, but I'll try tweaking it more (EDIT: reuploaded the track with a tad shorter and stronger bass, should be a bit better now)

https://soundcloud.com/recursion-loop/andromeda-nebula A tad more trippy and agressive than the yesterday one, but still with some euphoric moments

It is somehow hard to explain, your tracks now sound like thay are just a bunch of unrelated parts put one by one, while the best tracks in the genre sound like a story told by the artist via the interplay of the sounds and melodies. Just listen more to various tarcks and try to feel how they evolve, you'll get it naturally you surely have a potential for that. Give close attention to the transition parts: risers, kick rolls, breaks. As for the bass, you need it tighter and fatter, also the balance the kick and the bass needs to be set right - the kbbb must work as one instrument, it defines the groove (in the second track the kick is louder than it should be) Glad that you liked that Badooga, btw it was was the second psytrance track I've made,

https://soundcloud.com/recursion-loop/recursion-loop-vs-emtear-morning-wakeup My collab with another guy. Obvious Ticon influences, some euphoric/uplifting melodies in the second part. Not especially psychedelic, but I like it

Great, I see you are stepping out from your "comfort zone" and try more experimental approaces and sounds, that's good thing for sure. Love that voice stuff.

I like some sounds and some melodies in both these pieces but both are far from sounding like finished tracks tbh. You should work more on the track structure and on the mixing, try adding add more percussion elements, learn how to get the bass right. It is nearly impossible to learn how to make good psy in 6 months, 6 years is far more realistic figure

Nice track, I like it but I think it would benefit from more sonic "dimensions" - like pads, background atmospheres, maybe a bit more sonic experimentation in the leads and the effects. Also some of the transitions are too abrupt - like at 3:45 - one melody suddenly ends, another one suddenly starts, you could have something more interesting here.

It surely helps, even if you don't write melodies in the traditional sence for your music, when you progam sounds in software synths or sound modules it is much easier when you can play them on a keyboard, you can make velocity assigments and immediately hear how the sound responds to the velocity, or you can play your sound in different octaves. Nice track you posted