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What the story behind that Psynina? I googled her, found quite a few tracks (listened to a couple, they sounded ok), few different photos of the same girl, few mentions on sites like discogs, psyDB etc and that long isratrance thread. Why was it alleged that she wasn't real?

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I routinely do the same thing, also boosting/cutting harmonics in similar manner as you said - but that's for the bassline that doesn't envisage many key changes and especially if bpm is 140 or below. Multi-note basslines with octave jumps and key changes at faster tempos (like 145 bpm) don't really need that.

For these I somehow manage to get by with just one synth channel, using broadband cuts and boosts and trying to find a phase sweet spot so that the phase wouldn't be completely off at any of the notes. Filter keytracking also helps getting consistent sound across different notes.

In this case I'd be afraid of potential phase issues. Maybe it's manageable but for me it's easier just to bounce few bassline notes with their own processing chains.

Yes, that's really a thing but it somewhat depends on the bassline style. What I call "modern" full-on/proggy bassline (like basically everyone at Dacru, Digital Om, Tech Safari, Iono etc is using) requires very precise phase aligment between the kick and the bass and also surgical equing depending on the harmonic frequences. Each time you change the key you need to do that again. Basically in this scenario I have separate mixer channels for each bassline note - typically 3 or 4 per a track suffice, my harmonies aren't as complex as Infected Mushroom or Terrafractyl, but even that takes quite a bit of extra work Oldschool fullon basslines with octave jumps are less rigid, no problems with transposing them along with the chord changes or even making them play their own melody

I came to psytrance from commercial trance, so I loved the massive melodic climaxes first then grew to like other parts of these fullon tracks. i still can't comprehend how the question "whether keychanges are admissible in psytrance" is really a thing. It's like "are men allowed to weak pink shirts" or similar. When the melody calls for a key change, why not? It doen't make the track any less psy as such, and the absence of key changes won't make it any more psy. All in all, when the question "isn't it cheesy" comes into play, it's guaranteed that all the fun will soon go away, be it psytrance, or True Norvegian Black Metal or any other genre that pretends to be underground or extreme.

Not really, as I said I kinda liked some of his (his?) tracks but never was a real fan or anything. I heard several tracks credited as Sunstryk which sounded similar (definitely like they had been made by the same person) but maybe it was just the same ghost producer. Interesting why he/she never showed up then.

Doesn't it actually depend on the chord progression itself? I think a harmonic minor progression, especially with some chromatic elements like a diminished 5th will sound anything but cheesy (like some SA twillight for example) As I said many times, I sorely miss melodic fullon, circa 2006 (Protoculture - Circadians) till 2013 (U-Recken - A Light at the End of The World). I admit that this subgenre/period is responsible for some of the most appaling cheese but also for some of the finest melodic psy ever made (Digicult, Chromosome, Mr Peculiar, Hyperion, Galactika, U-Recken and many others). And even the downright cheesy stuff form that period (Ananda Shake, Intersys, Sytem Nipel, Electro Sun, Indra) is somehow more likeable than Vini Vici or Berg and similar. I also think the progressive from that period sounded more diverse and overall more interesting than today, the albums like Andromeda - Sensations, Vibrasphere - Archipelago, Suntree - Inside, Freq - Strange Attractors, E-Clip - Shuma - they don't have much in common except lower bpm and overall less intense sound but something sets them apart from modern cookie-cutter prog.

Who made that track then? I remember there were some other tracks in similar style, also a collab with E-Clip (not sure E-Clip would collaborate with someone who is obviously shady, though it was 10 years ago)

Ineteresting, I thought Sunstryk was a legit artist, even liked some his tracks

I'm not exactly a newcommer but many of 90's goa does sound dated to me due to very simplistic production - I understand it was the bleeding edge music technology back in the days but today it sounds too basic. In terms of production my favourite period was 2006 (Protoculture - Circadians) to 2014 (E-Clip - Into The Void), when people were mostly using digital hardware synths like Access Virus and Nordlead - these synths did have some charatcer the todays software mostly lacks - but the arrangement and mixing was done in a DAW and wasn't limited by hardware sequencers and 8 channel mixers.

Indeed, that's an old track (I didn't even think anyone would remember it tho). I showed it to AP once and he liked it, so we decided to make a better sounding version - I remixed it with my new speakers and he did his mastering magic.

It sounded like you made some good basic harmonies and then decided to show off "I can do dissonances and chromatic progressions". As I said in a full-blown track this could sound more natural and even pretty much awesome

I think such melodies and harmonies are definitely viable in psytrance context. Actually the first two sounded good to me, except some melodies in the second half of the second track, these were a bit off but maybe they could sound fine if there were more context (more different layers, more advanced sound-design). Didn't quite understand the third one, too much dissonances (but maybe it also could sound good with more context)

Thanks for listening! Yep, he's really good at mastering.

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This track is not anyhow related to psytrance, but I'll drop it here anyway. It's a kind of breakbeat with lush "cosmic" pads. Mastered by Kristian (master@aeap.se - you know him as Astralprojection here)

True that! Some of my favourite examples

Idk, it was a decent track on its own, but the problem is that it doesn't add any value to the original, IMO. Some remixers can take the best parts from otherwise forgettable tracks and turn it into something wicked, some remixers radically change the style (I know this board despises fullon and proggy remixes of goa tracks but I tend to like them because they take the great melodies from goa classics and add moden highly advanced production), some remixers turn good tracks into a pile of crap, but this one just adds very little so I'm not sure what was the purpose of it.

This one was okay. Not sure it improves much over the original but at least doesn't ruin it. It adds a bit of Median Projetct's own touch and a speech sample which seems to be taken from a classic AP track (don't remember which one) but overall it doesn't change much. That extatic melody in the end is somewhat buried behind other synths, could have been given more room to breathe like in the original. What i didn't notice was that the compilation had a Psy-H Project own track. It was nice, not the best I heard from Psy-H but pretty solid track. Didn't listen to the rest yet.

Not sure if a masterpiece but a very nice track indeed. Centavra Project is one of the few newschool guys whose works I always enjoy. My favourite is this one

I think a cheesy and lame melody is a cheesy and lame melody regradless of the genre and a great melody is a great melody regradless of the genre. Psytrance has some restrictions, you typically will have less chord/keynote changes and more repetitive patterns because you don't want to lose the hypnotic momentum, but still you can have your melodies and harmonic sturctures as sofisticated as you want. Okay the last one has all cheese in the world but still sounds very cool

Thanks Actually the latest tracks might be released at some point.

3 weeks to 3 years Been doing that for a while but sorted my acoustic treatment and got proper monitors only this year