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It was a stupid joke about the content of your video. I think that song with the red-black girl might be classified as EBM or dark electro, which is also industrial (or not?) At least that's what I thought industiral was, when I was in my teens.

I think it was the word invented to differentiate between the "dubstep invented by Skrillex" and the "one and only real true dubstep" nobody ever heard Somehow you managed to make this thead end up with the Godwin's law, good job Nice track tho. Doesn't sound anywhere near as obnoxious as that "brostep" stuff, actually very comfortable to listen to, despite being deliberately noisy (is this what's called "Martial Industrial"?).

I thnk brostep was sort of cool when it just arrived, kinda "look what's possible, it's also called music", but that Helker track ....

Wanna something to be done, do it yourself

Okay, I'm drunk and I spam various topics with my useless shit so here I have a song with Phoscyon in it (at 3:11) Not goa, more kind of oldschool fullon (like circa 2008 i think)

Thanks, yes I think I still have the project. Maybe I'll make a track of it but not now, I deviated from that style somewhat. I have another complete track in a kinda similar style if you are interested I think that synth you are talikng about was Superwave p8, it was supposed to emulate Roland JP 8000. It's old and not especially good, it was made with Synthedit afaik. Diva's JP8000 oscillator must be much better, also there is Adam Szabo's JP6k. Adam Szabo is a guy who did a PhD thesis on the supersaw.

I think the lastest version of Albino was 3. It's discontinued though. Linplug has closed the business, so you can only find it cracked. These days i'd probably use Synapse Dune3 as a substitute.

Software has moved on quite a bit since then. Synths like Serum, Massive X or Harmor aren't based on any hardware and can do things no hardware can. Also the quality of analogue emulations has progressed a lot, just compare Pro-53 with U-He Repro or Arturia Minimoog with Monark. The tangible approach of hardware is another story. I can get lost for hours tweaking knobs on my analog synth. Very little of it gets recorded or makes it into actual tracks tho.

You apparently have much more experience with actual analog than me. I have only one analog synth, an "affordable" VCO mono. But I have various circuit modelled software stuff, like Reaktor Blocks, Monark, U-He synths, I actually think in a real mix they may be made almost indistinguishable from analog, as has been proven by numerous comparions. The workflow may radically differ but teh sound i there or almost there I think. What we could have more are the emulations of late 90's/early 00's VAs and wavertable synths like Virus, Nordlead, Waldorf and Novation synths. When Virus and Nordlead dominated the psytrance production it did sound different. I have a Virus myself and no software sounds exactly like it, there are quite nice softies inspired by it, like Viper, Spire, Dune3 and others but they don't quite nail its character (too clean/perfect sounding, less aliasing, more accurate filters - technically better but the imperfections of the early digital tech did have some charm). This is a track which I think had been made with extensive use of Virus TI (I guess so because of the sound, the time when it was made and that the artist does have a Virus afaik). There is certain depth and character in the synth sounds I don't quite hear in modern releases.

Except that very small fraction of these melodies is any good IMO.

Modern software synths do quite good job at emulating analogue gear. It's just the modern mixing style, everything is very precisely equed and sounds very clean. It's not a bad thing per se, unless overdone. I miss tracks like these Not sure I can put into words what is that "something" these tracks have, the melody, the atmosphere, the musical progression... It seems that most modern producers proceed from pure sound-design, they make all kinds of weird noises then try to organize them into tracks. The older tracks were made the other way round, the musical idea first, then sound-design and production were used to express this idea.

Yeah, that one is really very good. Great melodic work and very lush and deep atmosphere. Gotta check the rest of the tracks asap.

I don't think i can explain it. It sends shivers down my spine every time i hear it, that's it. Maybe not the most innovative nor the most original nor the most technically advanced track ever, but it triggers some right synapses in my brain.

It was a different style, more kind of fullon. Great remix tho. For some reason I'm extremely picky when it comes to goa, especially newschool. Most of it I just can't stand, some tracks are "kind of nice but lack something" (Median Project works mostly fall into this category for me) but when I like something I REALLY like it. Precession of the Universe (original) is one of the rare tracks that sound like ultimate perfection to me, I just can't imagine how it could be improved. Anyways, I think we'll see/hear soon.

Take a look at TAL synths, Tal Juno LX is a Juno 60 emulation, it's different synth than 106 but should be a good starting point. It's got a really squelchy filter. TAL-Bassline-101 is an obvious choice for 101. Tal-Mod doesn't emulate anything specific but it has that early VA/mid-90 vibe all over it, great for supersaw and FM leads. Add some tape and/or console emulation and you are good to go. As far as Diva goes, I have that old sketch that never evolved into a track, all Diva except drums. Sounds wannabe oldschool i think

>> Psy-H Project - Precession Of The Universe (Median Project Rmx) Very curious to hear this one. Median Project is a great producer, but remixing The Greatest Goa Masterpiece... it takes some serious balls

I do like Lifeforms and this album is a very solid effort, excellent production, diverse and even quite melodic by today standards. The onlly thing I disliked was the abuse of EDM elements, all these risers, big drum hits, swooshes, starts and stops etc, I think they overdone it. It kinda breaks the hypnotic feel that I expect from trance.

Same thoughts here. The first thing that I noticed was that it sounded quite fat and raw like the 00's and nothing like the modern super clean and tight sound. I liked tracks 1, 5 and 8 the most. Also the Hux Flux remix, that bassline sounded too oddbal at first but I think it may work wonders on a dancefloor when you are stoned enough already. Overall it sounded fresh and dfiferent indeed, not another Tristan or Outsiders clone.

Actual Russians from that list are Median Project, Centavra Project, Nostormosis and Psy-H Project (we live in the same city ). That's it I think. Alieanpia and Katedra are Ukrainians. Anwyay, most of them release at least some of their music at Global Sect which is indeed based in Russia. I'm not much of a goa fan myself but i think Global Sect are doing it great, somehow they don't just release music which basically anyone could do these days but they create some kind of story behind it.

yes, that's propbably a bad example, in my monitors the kick indeed sounds somehwat unbalanced. But it was released by Timewarp (and this guy has few releases there), so maybe such mixing the new norm or serves some purpose? I also noted this release sounded more dry that what I typically expect from goa - less reverb, thinner and brighter synths. Somewhat closer to modern full-on sound

I think goa somehow starts catching up in this area. I heard Median Project and Psy-H Project live few years ago and indeed all the beautiful complexity was lost and I heard only the big booming kicks. But newer producers seem to be making on more dancefloor-ready stuff, like that There is still some layering going on, but all the layers are thinned out to make room for the kick/bass, which sounds pretty much like typical prog/full-on kb. Compared to something like Artifact303 it sounds much thinner and smaller but I guess it must be more dancefloor-friendly. Yes, I did make some tracks myself but I'm still pretty much an amateur, I've got a lot to learn before I could proudly show my works to people

I think goa generally follows the same direction as other kinds of psytrance, it becomes mostly a music for dancefloors with home listeners put out of the equation. Hence the loudness and compression, hence the focus on the basslines and the unfiication of the kick/bass sound, hence the simplified musical structure and more homogenized sound, less breakdowns, no long intros. Also when you have to devote most of your time to make a perfect sounding kick-bass combo, there is not so much creative energy left to make rest of the track memorable. I may be wrong since I'm not a producer myself and my knowldedge of production and mixing is quite supeficial, but this is the impression I'm getting from newer releases in whatever psy genres.

Okay, if it's a tread for requests/wishes to goa producers, then mine would be: - Learn some musical theory, goa is a melodic genre but not any random sequence of notes is actually a melody. - Use less layes, less notes. Quality over quanity. Use less elements, give them more room to breathe, polish them to make them sound really exciting instead of burying them in a super-busy mix. - Think more about the track stucture, breakdowns/buildups/climaxes, tension/release. A track must tell a story to be actually great - Try more new different sounds, there is a world beyond the cutoff and resonance knobs on a 303 emulation. There is FM synthesis, wavetable synthesis, additive synthesis, all of them are capable of making all sorts of unusual futuristic trippy sounds.

Nano does very mainstream fullon but I don't think I ever heard any melodic track from them since Protoculture (I don't count 8 minute track with an acid line of 2-3 notes appearing for 30 seconds as "melodic") I thought Vertigo was mostly releasing darkpsy but that Hedgehog track from their Omnipresence compilation was really good and indeed very melodic. Twillight/SA fullon may be quite melodic too, at least what I think is twillight

I think you are right. Tickets, Brethren and the like. Very different sound Not really plenty, but some Nice track tho, really cool section between 7:00- 7:50