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I never really paid attention to them probably because of the name - what does it mean? and how do you even pronounce that?

If by old-school you mean releases produced before 2000, then I doubt you'll find any in on-line stores. You're left with discogs, ebay and forums like this one.

Hypnoxock is two guys, releasing goa trance for almost 10 years already, with 3 full-length albums under their belt ...of which I never heard of But this changed with the announcement of new CD to be released by Goa Madness Rec. Info is pretty scarce at this moment, but the cover & samples look really promising: Looking forward to it!

4xCD of music: https://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/ibo/ibo4cd098.html Samples:

Cosmosis - Synergy, all of it.

Studio One is such a handsome DAW

God dammit! Awesome track

Listening to it pretty much on a daily basis still and I need to upgrade it to the full 5/5. I mean I got it together with Pogo's "Rock Your Soul" for which I was pretty hyped up and that one - relative to its pears from Nano Rec. - is a good CD on its own. But it has NOTHING on Martial Arts. In here, after just a few listens I could tell the tracks apart - they're similar in style obviously, but sufficiently different from each other. The tracks themselves have a clear direction or progression path. The sounds are really fresh, some of the melodic or acid passages are mindbogglingly good. In a lot of psytrance the incidental or one-off sounds (like all the 'farts', 'squelches') feel very forced, sometimes awkwardly placed and not really enhancing the experience. Here on the other hand it's very organic, very natural and fitting. Can't tell if it's because of analog / modular synthesizers or "just" the skill and I suspect it's both, but it is indeed very unique. The only track that still disappoints is "Assagao" that's incredible in its first 4 minutes and then somehow dies out... but I can live with it. Love it!

Interesting, as if Kino Oko was doing darkpsy. However, very painful to listen - very compressed, harsh. Also, there's a dedicated sub-forum for promoting your own music: https://www.psynews.org/forums/forum/72-free-music-promotion/

Yeah, since most of their recent physical releases are described in discogs.com as "CDr" (https://www.discogs.com/label/676015-Mystic-Sound-Records?sort=format&sort_order=desc) I'd assume so. Therefore I'd appreciate the label being more upfront with what is it that they're really selling, instead of "digitally printed non-official CDs"

Some helpful articles on chasing inspiration, arrangement, creating fills, mixing, mastering, etc.: http://innerportalstudio.com/guides/

I'm actually pretty bummed about Beatspace, because they should (and even tried in the past: https://beatspace.bandcamp.com/?) have an aggregate store, instead they have several sub-accounts for different labels, e.g.: https://beatspace-parvati.bandcamp.com https://beatspace-zenon.bandcamp.com/ https://iboga-beatspace.bandcamp.com/ https://beatspace-osom.bandcamp.com/ https://beatspace-bomshanka.bandcamp.com/ etc. which is also pretty inconsistent, because for some of them you can buy CD right there, for others you get redirected to beatspace.com (which means no files + no entry in your bandcamp collection) and some are digital-only. Anyone have any experience if you order from those that offer the CD would they combine the shipping fee or not?

And what does it mean?

Since a lot of people here use bandcamp.com to purchase music, I thought it would be good idea to post some of the most obscure - or unknown - places to buy music there. I usually go looking for releases by the name of the artist or label, but the drawback is if you want to buy several releases at once you'll pay for multiple shipping, because the CDs would come from different places. But there are two that I know of - run by distributors - that stock releases from many labels & artists and ship from one place (and you get the music in your collection + files to d/l), e.g. https://geodistro.bandcamp.com/- labels like: Ovnimoon, Spiral Trax, Goa Records, Timewarp http://arabesquedigital.com/- labels like Suntrip, DAT, EtnicaNet, Goa Madness,HOMmega, L.S.D., Matsuri and many, many more Please post others if you know any.

Well, if we're looking for guitars + psytrance, then nothing beats Cosmosis & Ajja "The Alien Jams" But I don't think that's what the OP was hearing.

Well, that's not so easy to explain First of all, you need to think of overall character and structure of your tune - whether you want to build it gradually or maybe start from a high point and alternate between different parts; do you want to have different segments (e.g. crazy effects, then some acid lines, then some leading melodies, then all of it mixed together for the grand finale) and what should be their sequence, then you'd build main elements of those segments and variations for each, e.g. for acid lines you'd start with plain & simple arpeggio, then add some freq/res tweaking, then maybe other effects like distortions, reverbs, flangers, etc. Same with melodies - you start slow, with longer notes (or spaces between the notes) to then make it more dense, faster, ideally making the instrument more aggressive as well. Good practice is to use 2-3 parallel melodic lines that complement ("talk to") each other, like in funk/jazz music. The musical (melodic) stuff is really difficult to explain, especially if - like me - you have no clue about musical notation, don't know scales and can't play an instrument. But I have a very good musical hearing, i.e. I can quickly recreate any complex melody I hear or think about and add to that an arrangement, just based off of what I hear and how I 'hear' it develop in my head. For me it's kind of an organic process, where I somehow "know" what should be next and it's just a matter of recreating it... That old music was really created this way - it was written exactly in the order you hear it in its final form, so e.g. I'd start with bassline, then add some chords, drums and then build melodies on top of / after each other based on how I imagined it should develop or change. Can't really explain it However, you can also approach it more "mechanically". For psychedelic goa trance it's quite easy, because typically you just need to decide key & scale you're using (e.g. E Minor), which then dictates the range of notes you should work in. If you got that range worked out, you can basically hit random notes within that range placing them at different spots on the timeline with different lengths and shaping the sequence in some kind of contour (e.g. make it rising, or rising and falling, or going from concentrated around root [base] note to spread more widely, etc. - there are countless techniques there) until you get something you're satisfied with. Look it up on YouTube - this is a good example for Ableton Live. Then if you've done several of those patterns try to order them in terms of energy they create, try to maybe combine them, or take the copy the simpler one and add notes to make it more complex. If you know how to use audio effects, you can also chop / gate / glitch the longer sounds, which usually makes for a nice progression. Or take a simpler pattern to play on one track with one instrument (usually with longer attack, with modulated parameters throughout its duration) and the more complex pattern to the other track with different instrument (shorter, more aggressive) and try layering them on top of each other. Try triggering them at the same time, but also at different times (e.g. first straight away, the other half a bar later), etc. If you loop something e.g. 4 times, try to delay or advance playback of one of the segment slightly (by quarter note for example) to introduce variation - I used that a lot! Other popular technique to build a progression is to play exactly the same - or slightly modified - melodic line using 2-3 different instruments with different timbre at the same time (check Electric Universe's "One Love" for that) Following the above it's pretty easy to do something sounding "correct" musically. It's a completely different matter of course whether or not it's interesting and exciting, but I guess that comes with experience and especially beneficial is listening to a lot of music, in particular outside of the genre you're creating in. Hope this was helpful

Even if it's not this one (but I think it is...), it's still an awesome remix!

I dig the style and arrangement ideas - it's sort of like a psychedelic acid / minimal techno (sounds like Jeff Mills occasionally!). But, the mixing is really lacking - it's muddy, there's whole lot of distortion and frequency clamping ("Deep Breaks & Good Vibes" is painful to listen), volumes are out of balance, some sounds are way out of tune (especially in "Orbital Frequency", which has its own charm in a way...). I'd say that definitely sounds 'amateur' but there's nothing wrong with it - everyone is starting somewhere. If your music still sounds like this in 1-2 years, then either give up or call it your personal style. And there's nothing wrong with that either - I had a friend, who was doing drums out of piano samples and played "melodies" with hi-hats and his music was still awesome, because it was very individual, creative and unusual

Full album mix:

Very nice! However, what does that actually mean: How are the CDs "non-official"? Does it mean they're CDr or some other inferior quality CDs?

Jumping to conclusions much? Personally I prefer singing to hymning / chanting, because I associate the latter with drunk college bros or soccer hooligans and their primitive 'fun' which admittedly I didn't had much of

I thought you would! Actually while describing it above I thought I'd put a "similar to Recursion Loop's music" as well, until I realised that - sadly - few people would know what I was talking about

I only browsed through few tracks, but I liked what I heard - it's like slower Astrix, mixed with some good progressive full-on like Protoculture. There are collaborations with known progressive artists (Ticon, Perfect Stranger, etc.) but from what I heard it's more varied, more developed and melodic than their output.

I actually like the album a lot and there's very little "singing". Stylistically it's between "Classical Mushroom" and "B.P.Empire", obviously more advanced technically - if one doesn't mind glitch / dub-step stuff - and is strong musically, in the way that only they know how to do. The combination of technical proficiency, touching emotional musical parts and ...keeping Duvdev under wraps really pays of and I hope they'll continue down that path. Also, I find it weird that people have issues with singing in their music, as e.g. "Dracul" had that terrible "Na na, na na na na nahhh..." part, which is 100x more annoying than anything on the new album

Sounds promising! Hopefuly "Identity Mash" is not far off behind it