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I said it all. Your money, your life, and you miss out on good music. Have it your way. Boohoo I can't have Suntrip Records releases on vinyl so might as well not have them at all... Lemme cry, will you? You just don't follow. You couldn't even if you wanted to. Why should I buy music at all if I can't have it on vinyl? That is your philosophy? Good. Smart, above all. Stop buying music. Nobody will notice. Nobody will care either. Just like no label cares if I am satisfied or not with them not releasing vinyls any longer. They just do not care. Get over it. Head over to beatport, man.

I really don't wanna sound like an asshole, but there is nothing on the surface of planet Earth that is forcing or preventing you from buying anything. Have it your way, and don't buy the music. Miss out on some potentially great tunes at your own risk. Simple, ain't it? End of story. Your reasoning makes less sense than me saying I won't buy any Suntrip Records releases because the label does not release their material on vinyl. Me being a huge vinly buff should stop me from supporting a label that with a (more or less) constant pace churns out quality releases? Right. Anyways, it's your dough, my friends, so have it your way. Although I do understand you, but if one is to follow your reasoning, than I should have stopped buying music around 2000, no?

Check the first post for still available items.

Awesome news! Suntrip Records is one of the very few reasons I still keep a steady interest in the genre. Call me narrow minded and cliched, but being honest just doesn't always come across as something everybody wanna hear. I'm even more hyped as the last 3 Suntrip Records releases really disappointed me. No joke... I keep 3 thumbs crossed.

Thx. Yup, simple, yet pretty spaced out. Just like the music. Amazingly minimal for its age and loaded with space age effects and sounds. Detroit the way I'd wanna remember it.

But I dunno how to upload cover... Anyways, I got X-102: Rediscovers The Rings Of Saturn (2008) (Tresor) (Tresor234) :clapping:

All good things come to those who wait... ...And this has recently been re-released, so I finally got my hands on yet another seminal piece of history...

The Sensient track is hella weird, intriguing and thus extremely fun and interesting to listen to! :clapping: And I especially like the sample jacked from a Misjah techno record. The progression is nice, weird sounds and effects take twists and turns so I never caught myself off guard while listening to it. The break beat intro is awesome as well; in fact, 3rd Dimension is a great example of how you don't need any particular climaxes, melodic explosions or similar to keep it tight. Great stuff. Minimal Criminal and N.A.S.A. should be big pluses in notebooks of those who cherish subtle and groovy "less is more" aesthetic. I prefer Mr. Miyagi though, with a more pumping attitude and a darker touch. Aerospace delivers a pretty cheesy dance floor number, but I kinda like it. Kind of, don't start to get wrong ideas now! It has a houseish drive and beat, and the whole part after the 05:30 mark is THE essence of french cheese. Smells good? Hell no. But I'd still like a little bite The Snail Keeps Crawling... by Filteria is adequate, but far from being as impressive as his stronger work. I mean, if it was released on a 100% goa trance compilation, I don't think I'd spend more than 2-3 words on it. The mere fact it uses an all too known sample, already heard (and memorized) while playing his "Sky input" album will only help wear this one out faster. O.O.O.D. and Mubali disappoint me, but it's more a matter of choice than low quality music. The first is a beatless ambient track, and since I am not that keen on those, I can hardly listen though, while the latter would be filed in the dark(er) psy trance category, and as I am no big fan of the style, I just skip it. Some of it is not really my cup of tea, other tunes are right up alley, but bare in mind that this is a FREE compilation, displaying a wide range of styles, influences and ideas, so a fair 90% of you forum users should feel at home with at least one track. I hope you enjoyed my little guide here, get this, it's worth it!

Why not. It's a well acknowledged sub genre of electronic music, with a scene which has its own philosophy, artists and labels, parties/venues/events, so forth. People can honestly love whatever music they can relate to in one way or the other. Be it old school goa trance, mid nineties euro dance or gabber. On a personal level, I dislike every aspect of the hardcore spectrum. There is virtually nothing I find even a tiny bit pleasable in the scene, be it the music, the attitude or the parties. But I don't go around bitching about it either. Some people like it, good for them, and if nobody did appreciate it, my guess is that sort of music would simply not exist.

Funny I was just listening to this one the other day and (once again) was just so impressed at how forward thinking Joey and M. Muzique were. Sure there are many upon many pioneers hailing from all over the globe and justifiably getting credit for bringing the gravy, but this is something else. IMHO there is no other producer who managed to release so many groundbreaking tracks in such a short time span as Joey Beltram did during his relatively brief stay at R & S... The man is (or was?) a true genius.

Well put. Tandu have this amazing way of building up tension to the point where you don't maintain focus on anything else but the sounds of the music. At that point they let it rip. Literary, rip. I never really thought of it in that way until Jon Cocco jotted it down. Ofer and Marko don't overload or obsessively squeeze ideas into their tracks, but rather skillfully tease the listener with fantastic manipulation of various musical segments. Best of all is that "Multimoods" is widely available, which is an odd thing when it comes down to old school goa trance classics of this caliber!

The first part. I don't buy old school releases any longer. I already have everything I had planned to have years ago. I just admire now. My shelf that is. So I'll leave you guys to it. Happy biddin' mates :posford:

What's to turn for profit here? With absolutely no disrespect to Prosect, who's getting two fat thumbs up from me for giving exceptional prices, but except for Ethereal's debut and the original Symbiosis version of "Futuristic poetry", I don't see any cashable releases for sale here. Then again, you're taking it from me who never made 2 euro on a CD despite owning a shit load of alleged rarites and sought after items

My opinion is that "V/A Sundrops: Lights in motion" is a good move for Suntrip Records in the means of broadening the territory of goa trance they've covered, and forecasts what is still to come. Nevertheless, it doesn't really strike the right chord as far as I'm concerned. I'll pass the whole volume/loudness discussion, but it is the music that leaves quite a lot to desire for. For what it may matter to the casual reader, there are no bad tracks per se to be found here, this whole release is taster's choice, I suppose. It's light, positive, blissfull and emotional morning orientated goa trance, and my guess is that if you chreised stuff like this in the past, and thought you'd never get more of it again, here you go! Well, I wasn't fond of it then, and not much has changed up to now. "Sundrops" is to my ears Suntrip's weakest V/A thus far, which while staying 100% in touch with the whole goa trance resurrection processs, lacks substance and/or challenge. I always like my goa trance to have more edge, sound more berserk, erratic if I may say so. Note that "Sundrops" was intentionally forged to pursue a certain path and maintain focus on a specific aspect of goa trance, which you may or may not have a soft spot for. Well, I don't, and while "V/A Sundrops: Lights in motion" is a very well produced and refined piece of work, I find it formulaic. Keep in mind that formulaic is not a synonim of bad, but just implies the release's attitude, reluctant to do anything more but present pretty much standard music wrapped in an eye teasing cover. Naturally, standard will depend on your preference, as there will always be listeners who prefer this type of stuff more than, for example, the old Pigs In Space or Tandu. That said, trackheads ought to love this. 3 tracks courtesy of old school heroes will sure urge older followers of the genre to give this one a try, same goes for completists who will need that new Chi A.D. tune, while diligent Suntrip followers will get their share as well, through new contributions from Filteria, who absolutely kills it with an infectious mid tempo goa trance stormer revolving around a single super catchy and large melody, Aerosis and Artifact303, who unfortunately does a pretty routine job with yet another track that sounds identical to the previous one. Antares, who has caused quite a lot of talk on the internet lately delivers an adequate tune, no doubt, especially when taking his age into consideration, but I have to say that if these are his first steps, I don't even want to imagine what could come next! Overall, worth checking, but not an essential listen. Individual tracks may come at you better and bigger if and when heard at a party. Nostalgic trancers might drop a tear or two when playing the C.S. track while staring at their collection of flyiers from party season '96/'97.

All I could want and need. I'm getting all three even though I have never heard the first two, but I've yet to come across a weak Solar Fields track. The guy is awesome!

Hard one. For me, at least, as the two record label names above mark for me the nucleus of electronic music. Not that there isn't stuff out there which isn't as important, worth checking out or something similar, but these two have, in my humble opinion, surpassed everything else, and when I say everything else, I imply stuff like KMS, Transmat, Tresor, Cocoon, Warp and all the other known giants. What do you think/say? My pick is, and always was: Plus 8 Records Ltd. Even though their discography is notably smaller than the one of R & S, they had the knack of releasing stuff which sounded just like something I had hoped for. R & S had torrents of classics, undeniable and unforgettable gems, tunes which signaled changes and ignited revolutions, marked the end of many trends and started just as many new ones, but what it all comes down to is that Plus 8 churned out one album which jump started as many revolutions in my bed room as R & S couldn't help start on a global scale, figuratively speaking naturally. Plus 8 is the label which introduced me to both, Richie Hawtin and Jochem George Paap, both of which are (music wise) the pivotal personalities of my life. As if that on its own wasn't enough, they also introduced me to Kenny Larkin, who would later on cement his name as a techno legend through his releases on R & S. Hell, PLus 8 is responsibe for Plastikman's boom, and releasing F.U.S.E.'s "Dimension intrusion", such unforgettable 12" as Final Exposure, V-Room, Gravitational Arch Of 10, etc., the legendary compilations "From our minds to yours", moving on to their recenter flirt with minimal, like Alex Under's "Collage" and Beyer's "A walking contradiction". I won't even bother to explain my feelings towards Probe (the harder side of Plus 8...). All in all, maybe not an impressive load of releases (quantity wise), but as far as quality goes + nostalgic value + personal value = Plus 8 wins out, big time! All I need is the kick off sound of Pull Over and I know where my heart is On the other hand, R & S... Starting from The Savage And Beaond, the first track I ever heard off this label, they have had virtually every artist who was somebody on the scene release a track under their flag. Not everybody, naturally, I was only taking it too far for the sake of stressing out their extensive influence on the scene, but check the record; DJ Hell, Jam & Spoons's Stella, making Ken Ishii a star, Mundo Muzique, Joey Beltram, CJ Bolland, both of Detroit's heroes, Juan Atkins and Carl Craig and a few of their aliases, Josh Wink's turbo hit Meditation Will Manifest, and a slew of other classics which became classics in the first place because they were licensed to R & S. You know what? It's arguable and understandable that one might appreciate R & S, mainly due to an overwhelming amount of block busting hits and bangers they've released, but hey, what is it all worth if Plus 8 did it more for me with a fistful of vinyls I won't forget or neglect even if I got brain washed. Your turn, I'm off to bed after the match is over. Rise and shine tomorrow morning, work awaits the unfortunate ones!

Thanks for reminding me! I have been told numerous times to check this one out, seems I must do so as soon as possible!

Hmh, tasty. Very tasty indeed. Beh, Jochem... Even tastier than the above. Too maximal for minimal purists? "Ginger"? "G Spot"? What on Earth do either one of those have to do with minimal, or its purists/followers? My pair of ears doesn't even find them maximal, though. For reference only. The Oil Zone and Ping Pong are so delicious it's crazy. Insane in the membrane. Brain. Wow, great to see so many similar view points. Really cool. A lot of us seem to love those 90s albums which really flipped the scene upside down.

How about getting out of your bedroom every once in a while? Beautiful women have legs, and they walk the streets too, you know?

OK now, as some might know, I am a techno head. I don't get my rocks off all over shiny CD surfaces and all of that, but I do lurv tekno. Since this is, above all, a psy trance related forum, I avoided posting this topic before. I always wanted to though. So please, if you feel like it, and think it could be fun and entertaining, please do share your favorite gems from a genre which always comes out on top. Cheers! #1 Speedy J- Patterns (remix) EP (1997) (NovaMute) The "this is the one and only" release in my book. Clocking in at only 28 minutes and 25 seconds, the pure power of this three tracker left me so shook that for three weeks my neighborhood block was on shaky legs from an after shock... Amazing. Nothing more to add. Amazing. Pannik and Punnik are by definition the strongholds of electronic music. #2 Brother's Yard- Reaction (1999) (PV) Petar Dundov? Who? Croatia's pride and legend, one of Europe's best DJs and producers of the 90's. This album gives you a perfect balance between harsh, mechanical, driving and modest, soulful and hypnotic. Perfectly exemplifies his experiment with rebuilding techno from scratch. #3 Speedy J- A shocking hobby (2000) (NovaMute) Yikes. Jochem George Paap goes where most don't think of peeping. Beautiful, tongue in cheek to the bone, with so much attitude and balls I could have confidentially stopped listening to music after this. Yes, it's that good. I don't think any producer anywhere has yet matched the intensity and enormous potential of Actor Nine, Drill and Balk Acid. #4 Joey Beltram- Classics (1996) (R & S Records) Self explanatory. The sub bass on Mentasm, the melody on Psycho Bass, the ecstassy sample on Energy Flash, etc. etc. etc. - this needs to be heard by everyone everywhere, and then some. A benchmark a mile far and wide. #5 Regis- Penetration (2001) (Downwards) Argh, Downwards. Techno the way it should be. This is IMHO where the entire niche of mono Birmingham releases peaked. And if you're relatively acquainted with techno, you ought to know that is saying a lot. If you don't, cover yourself in embarassement with the entire M_nus catalogue. #6 Jeff Mills- Waveform transmission vol. 1 (1992) (Tresor) Out of the entire series of early outputs by various permutations of the trio consisting of Jeff Mills, Robert Hood and Mike Banks, this has got to be my favorite. I mean, holy crap, you wanna know where modern hard techno/schranz producers got their ideas from? This is it. Changes Of Life is an alleged take on Derrick May's seminal Strings Of Life, while Phase 4 and Berlin are the most savage and devastating techno tracks to have ever emerged out of the Motor City. Check out The Hacker as well, no proper dance floor potential and "rave" sound, sounds like a 200 megawatt drill digging holes in your cerebrum. Awesome! #7 Speedy J- Loudboxer (2002) (NovaMute) Again? Yup. Speedy J is known to be the #1 musical figure in my life, so it should strike as no surprise that he churned out three releases out of the total ten on my fave's list. "Loudboxer", his fifth full lenght album is by far the best flowing techno album I have ever come across. There is no other album that literary flies by you in such manner in just a little over one hour. Flawless flow, with some real dance floor stompers: Krekc, Bugmod, Bark Decks and Pannik (rmx). Once again, Speedy J proved that he's a studio genius with few equals, if any, in my book that is. #8 Richie Hawtin- Selections 1990-2000 (2000) (Hardware) This one is here mainly because of the inclusion of Minus Orange, Substance Abuse and FU2. The first is my favorite track of all time, regardless of the genre, while the other two just might display Richie at his finest prior to hitting superstardom. The rest is ace as well. How can it not be? Krakpot, Spastik and Are Friends Electrik?! are tunes which changed the face of electronic music like... Forever!!! #9 Alex Under- Dispositivos de mi granja (2005) (Trapez) I was put on this CD by a member off this forum, and I don't think I was even close to guessing what was I in for before playing it through. I mean, Alex got quite a bit of attention with his Collage 12" on Plus 8, but my... This is two ladders above and beyond any post 2000 release with the prefix -minimal-. Just check this album out. Packed with micro melodic segments, groovy as hell bass lines, subtle yet feet taping kicks and miniature climaxes. The whole album sounds like a musical version of a priceless and fragile Ming vase, which has soooo much to offer and represent, but can be shattered to pieces if not cared with adequately. #10 X 101- X 101 (1991) (Tresor) Sonic Destroyer? Rave New World? Whatever Happenned to Peace? If these three don't ring a bell, you've most probably never walked passed by a church in your life. This is the Detroit trio walking to the chalk board and manifesting their vision (and ours) of techno in six steps. Love it to death or dispatch in disbelief, but denying is futile; this is stuff which turned generations upside their heads. Relentless, but most importantly, extremely challenging and forward thinking, especially when taking into consideration the historical context it was released in. A true class kick!

No prob., most of those latin tunes are uber known, so odds are pretty high you can leech 'em from somewhere... Good luck & post the set here as well! Yeah, I guess those closing tracks don't really go hand in hand with the lating lingo. That would have been a killargh set

The options are few. Very few. Not chosing one of the following would make you a cunt, no joke. A big one too. Gaiden- Point blank (Speedy J remix) Joey Beltram- It works John Starlight- Blood angels Speedy J- Krekc Peter Sutton & Karl O'Connor- Guiltless Max Walder & Manu Kenton- Adrenaline Dance or die. Chose one or remain a cunt for life.

Some stuff that might work, I KNOW the following few tunes devastated techno floors on a global scale: Ben Sims- Manipulated (Adam Beyer remix) Andrew McLauchlan- Love story Sueno Latino- Sueno latino (Derrick May remix) (Illusion first mix) Martin Buttrich- Programmer Ricardo Villalobos- Primer encuentro latino-americano Tomaz vs. Filterheadz- Sunshine Gray- Ritmo conmigo P.S.: Try out some DJ Rolando/Los Hermanos output as well... + (for some more artists, ideas and tracklits to check out): http://www.discogs.com/release/205400 http://www.discogs.com/release/1496306 + Ben Sims, Mark Broom, Varela & co. oftenly have tribal, instrumental and soulful stuff on their tracklists, but I ain't the one to spoil your digging Good luck!

Together with Identified Flying Object and Family Of Light by Pleiadians, Prana's Geomantik and Tandu's Multimoods, Planet B.E.N.'s Trippy Future Garden firmly stands as one of the five centre crown jewels of the royal crown, if psy trance was ever to be a metaphor of one... Plain and simple, whenever you feel that creativity and ideas have evaporated from the scene, hope is not lost as this album is turgid with originality. Razor sharp sounds slice through thick and opulent bass lines, while well crafted and slowly introduced eruptions of melodic segments are often patiently held back in favor of skilfully modulated sonic particles. Somehow it all menages to fall into place perfectly. I cannot explain it. I never could. It sounds as though you're given seventy minutes time to catch golden coins falling from the sky, but you've only got two fists to clutch all you can - my point being: there's much more here than the feet can move to, the necks snap to and the minds trip to. A very forward thinking release, not so much because of the fact that some tracks date as early back as 1991, but because often it relies more on wide and atmospheric soundscapes, which are obtained by combining and intertwining various layers, synth stabs and/or effects ranging in size and loudness, thus creating unpredictable directions which the tracks pursue, only emphasizing the voyage factor here. Basically, he dodges the often formulaic old school formula of forging a single grand hook and driving the listener in a state of trance by repeating it over and over again. Yet the hooks are here - all over actually, but there is so much going on you won't notice them as much as on 90% of old school releases. Just listen to the last two tracks: by the time the leads are introduced, I'm already playing a game of death pool somewhere near the Earth's core... Awesome album!

Damn. That's hardcore for real now.