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One last recommendation: Syb Unity Nettwerk- Tripperspaced & Syb Unity Nettwerk Experience- Limited access to the files Kryll's post got my brain all working

Tatsu, massive respect, with that much music in store it looks more like you'll be going by foot from Bern to Zagreb, let alone Thun

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Bok Vedrane Anyways, very nice to see some interesting action going on in Sarajevo! Keep it up!

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Some earlier Psychaos tracks are fantastically phenomenal. My favorite releases of his are: Future Rocks EP (1997) (Flying Rhino Records) Investigating eternity/Acidica 12" (1998) (Atomic Records) Both vinyls have that aggro approach, with banging kicks rolling at neck snapping pace and are covered with very tight and intense melodies. I like that a lot.

Prana- Scarab (Green Nuns Of The Revolution remix) (the final climax) Technossomy- V.T.O.L. Crop Circles- Antonomasia (the melody kicking in @ 04:25 or something) Etnica- Mystical appearance in goa Khetzal- Indian attic (there's this one awesome melody 5 minutes into the track!) Slinky Nuns- Shitty stick (better than a poke in the eye with a) (the melody kicking in @ 04:17) Goasia- Sunrise Transwave- Axonal Talking Souls- Karma 209 Total Eclipse- The furnace (chaos!!!) ...

You don't seem to know enough about electronic music to pick a bone with me, so I'll just leave you with a stupid illusion of listening to god like creatures creating divine melodies... Shiva almighty and all o' that. Haven't you ever heard of producers like Robert Hood, Steve Stoll, Surgeon or Brother's Yard, who don't use melodies because they CHOSE TO? Have you not ever met a dedicated Berlin/Detroit orientated techno head who doesn't like melodies in tracks because he CHOSES TO not like them? You never spoke to an industrial afficionado who laughs at the term "(goa) trance", and still can hardly come across as an idiot because of that. Seems like you think ever since unwashed hippies started producing goa trance, suddenly the other styles of electronic music took a back seat? 'Cause they don't have complex melodic structure... Talent and skill? Having 28 melodic segments is not skill or talent, having two, and making it sound great is talent. Feel free to ask anybody on this forum, starting with this thread. Even if there's a track out there with fantastically arranged 28 layers, that will NEVER imply it can or will be better than any given tune with immaculately applied and modulated 2 to 4 layers. Example? Take the spectacular Pleiadians track, Electra, and compare it with The Delta's equally spectacular, but not as nearly as layered, Pop. The fact you (might) fail to realize the talent and power Delta's track packs due to an apparent lack of intricacy doesn't mean it's not there. + 28 (layers, of course, what else?) Amen. That's kind of what I was trying to say as well. And Nemo and Pavel added their own examples as well...

(My recommendations from another acid related thread): Egyptian Empire- the horn track (Pump Panel remix) Josh Wink- don't laugh (Richie Hawtin's extended remix) Sulfurex- point break Plank- acid wars DJ Misjah & Groovehead- access Laurent Garnier- Acid eiffel ^^ Solar Quest- Acid eye full ^^ Microbots- Logic trance System 7- Alphawave (Plastikman remix) DJ Misjah & Groovehead- Acid energy Parallax- Arctic wind (feel mix) DJ Skull- Acid wiss "L" Phuture- Acid trax F.U.S.E.- Slac A+E Dept- The rabbit's name was... (Kris Detonator mix) Acrid Abeyance- Exposure track (Pascal F.E.O.S. remix) DJ Jean Pierre vs. DJ Misjah- Temple of acid Talking Souls- Karma 209 Overider- Timebomb Microwave Prince- Solar eclipse Assign- 1998.7.16 Tokyo New Order- Confusion (Pump Panel reconstruction mix) Joey Beltram- Fuzz D.A.V.E. The Drummer- Jacknife Robert Armani- Circus bells (Hardfloor remix) Damon Wild- Bang the acid + Public Energy- Three o' three Hardfloor- Lost in the silver box Junk Project- Tongasine Richie Hawtin- Call it what you want! Nuclear Hyde- Pesola ...

Yeah I remember listening to your album, and how Ground Zero was a really amazing tune. Very strong and driving. Other than that, if my memory stands correct, Beta Pictoris was a really positive, charged with joy and good vibes, kind of a track. I don't remember the rest though. I don't own the album, yet.

Organized Konfusion- Organized Konfusion (1991) (Hollywood Basic) DJ Misjah & DJ Jean Pierre- Temple of acid 12" (1996) (X-Sub) Jeff Mills- Lifelike (2000) (Music Man Records) Adam Beyer- Ignition key (remixes) 12" (2002) (Truesol) Karl O'Connor & Peter Sutton- Againstnature (2000) (Tresor)

Pavel's example proves my point. And if you're so confident that god like goa trance prodcuers are so divinely gifted, why don't you explain to a mortal how do your favorites, Transwave and Dimension 5, stand against heavy weight electronic music champions, such as Hawtin, Dopplereffekt, or Jochem Paap? I don't think a single individual who has any insight of electronic music would consider Deep Space 5D historically more important and influential than Spastik. Layers? Kids talk, my man... Tell me how does their alleged complex layering place them ahead of the examples I gave above? I rest my case.

I count the layers, naturally. Anything with under 28 of them is pure crap. I aked DJ Tiesto. :wank:

Sunwolf, not only are you placing DJ Tiesto, Dave Clarke and who else not in the same sentence, but you're calling me a moron for providing trustworthy and corrct facts. So wait, because A.P.'s music is more layered than Hawtin's, Derrick May's, Dave Clarke's or any given XY producer whose input in the overall development of electronic music beats the living devil out of practically any goa trance artist's discography, means that the aforementioned israeli duo is better/more talented? Right. I wonder how long have you been acquainted with the term "electronic music"? Why don't you go around and try explaining to people why are multi layered, climax driven goa trance tunes historically more important for electronic music than virtually any given tune recorded by any of the producers I've listed above. And see what you get except for "Who the fuck are Astral Projection?!?!" in a 90 percentile average as the answer. Go ahead and diss some more if it's going to make you feel better. Because that is as good as it will get for you and your crew of 20 shiva shanti illusioned babas. Hell, if owning Astral Projection CDs makes one intelectually superior, than I'm Nikola Tesla. It's fun however how except for a super limited and restricted amount of people nobody has ever heard about these alleged heroes and genius producers... Sure, place 28 layer in one track and be happy if 28 people cop your album. But hey, "look ma, I'm an undeservably neglected genius!"...

In a world where theory and mathematics would be the name of the game, you'd be 100% correct. Still, anno 2008, I beg to differ. Not that I don't see where you're coming from, and we could argue and start what I imagine as a cool discussion, but take history's examples: somewhere around 1990 that de Mooy dutch producer sets grounds for the entire hardcore genre by sampling "come on!" and "yaaaah!" in his otherwise ordinary techno tune; in 1991 Speedy J hits superstardom with "Pull Over", THE insanely simple yet catchy rave anthem, based on the "siren synth" and a run of the mill drum programming... Two years later you know who with you know what track becomes THE #1 house hold name in the global electronic music scene, regardless of the genre, style, or whatever other factor. Hell, not far from then Jeff Mills becomes techno's biggest figure of the past decade. Why? For developing a concept of taking ass shaking four beat loops and laying them over a constant beat for anywhere between 4 and 5 minutes. Dave Clarke becomes the greatest phenomenon since stripped tooth paste for taking the "rewind" sound and using it as a bass line in his track... And it could go on and on... My point being: what I've listed above are crucial tracks in anybody's language of electronic music, each of which has influenced the coarse of electronic music more than any multi layered, epic lead driven goa trance track. I am not dissing or trying to tarnish the beauty and the overall importance of the aforementioned genre, I'm merely placing down some facts. I don't agree you need more inspiration to find 28 layers and combine them into something coherent. I don't think that is true. I believe that 2 layers adequately used pack more of a punch than 28 forced out layers for the hell of just being there. A really gifted and skilled producer will arrange 28 layers just as easy as 2, but the fact you insist on doing one of the two cannot automaticaly exclude the other. It is never relevant how much and what you have, it is what you do with it that counts.

I think you are just wrong and out of place and time with your comment I just have to reflect upon it. Basically you're saying that goa trance requires talent because it's layered, maybe more than other styles of electronic music, and how more sounds applied in a track implies better quality? What the hell? Your statement about making minimal and using less layers in a track is redundant. Artists like Atmos, The Delta/X-Dream and Krumelur are structuring tracks around 2-3 layers and making them revolve around stripped down beats and magnificent, throbbing and deep bass lines. The above are just a few examples of producers who kick major ass with apparent monotony and simplicity within their music. There are artists out there who display such understanding of music itself and manifest way more talent and knack for production, despite staying clear of massive climaxes and layers. And what about house or techno? To quote you: "Many other types of electronic music are just about a couple layers and/or a beat!". So what? Why and how is that bad. There are artists who make masterpieces with two pieces of hardware, likewise there are trying-so-hard-to-be-maximal producers who think that keeping a track always busy will make listeners think how they're packed with ideas. Right. Sometimes, less is just more. If you have talent and know your shit, you don't need 28 layers in order for others to appreciate what you're doing. Just like by placing 28 layers in a track, you won't fool anyone. You're not doing anything revolutionary by loading a track with what not. After all, it's easy to see through 28 layers and discern shit. Get my point?

Last nigh I watched the Twisted DVD. It's awesome! Under the influence I also ordered a copy of Shpongle's debut, "Are you shpongled?", just days after I wrote how their music doesn't really speak to me. Beh, childish me...

I bought each and every one of Avatar's re-releases, even if I already owned the original version They strike a nice balance between giving new comers a chance and a good place to start, while keeping it in tact with the roots and the old school side of things. Not everything they've done is pure gold, but it never is when you cover such a vast territory. Damn right! Giving listeners a chance to grab hold of Orion's and Indoor's debut and Total Eclipse's "Violent Relaxation"? Mad respect from me as well.

Maximal "fuck you if you don't like it!!!" party music, which sounds like, and makes you feel their writing block blasting through the speakers. I.F.O. has the (back then) 4 members scraping out all the ideas in their brains and laying them over a compact disc surface. It is hard, relentless, window shattering music, but above all, absolutely unwilling to compromise its artisitc value and an undeniable intensity factor in return for some widespread appreciation. A cruncher of an album. My type of music. Dance until you die. Well, I will, you do whatever the fuck makes you happy.

I don't really like reviewing compilations, but the amount of classic cuts here just baffles my skull. Holy shit, if you thought those 2xCD various artists releases had like 2 killer tunes per CD and rest filler, you better check your memory again. I mean, the first disc has 2 out of 10 total tracks which rank an 8/10 in my grade book, and those are the opener and the closing track, by Stanley Shanti & The Chillum Wallahs and Sourmash, respectively. The rest? 10 sparkling stars out of 10, hands down! Cor!, Orange Acid, Portamento, the banging Axonal, Doof's stellar Born Again, and Man With No Name's remixing skills hitting an all time peak with his take on Art Of Trance's Octopus. Just when you thought that was all, put on the second disc. Even better, if that is possible. If you can read, if you're just literate enough to read artist names on the back of a CD cover, you can guess what to expect. Indoor, Blue Planet Corporation and Quatermass drop what are arguably their best tracks ever, Boris Blenn makes his third appearance on this compilation under his Electric Universe alias, and yes, hits with another classic, Hallucinogen pulls off a number which makes half of his "Twisted" album sound pointless in my ears, Total Eclipse and Amanite FX provide two intense and energy driven bangers, and the list doesn't seem to end. Just like on the first CD, two tracks are not quite up there with the rest, Bodynamique and Orion, but damn be the day when I will mind. This is no less than a 20 track compilation which has 15 track I adore. Not like, not love, not cherish, but adore. Fantastic, and... Well, it's a matter of subjective opinion, mine is that this pulsating Pulse deserves a 5/5 mark.

Yeah Shpongle is something special and highly original and creative, even though that does not necessarily imply I like them all that much. And I don't. An occasional listen at a friend's house while drinking cheap croatian beer is all the Shpongle I want or need, can cope with and am ready to appreciate.

You should be. Aren't everybody "done" when they ain't got nothing more to say? BTW, Ormion, that was quite a good point with the whole melody/random structure comparison, I never looked at it, or thought about it in that way.

I remember Artha posted 2 links for his live performances around here somewhere, and they were amazing. Really amazing. I know and have heard so little of the man, but what I've heard speaks for itself. Can't wait. It's the type of music I wanna listen to during my favorite voyage into my screen saver.