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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC2d3wpnv9I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lh8mxzdDWc These come to mind as tracks that literary hypnotized people and drove people out of their mind from weekend to weekend...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7zdc7n7tXM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5InVXM93Vg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xkt7yy8Hf0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Wnvg5_lx0

Well, for me, driving techno by definition cannot be all of this minimal nonsense they try and sell with a "techno" label. When driving is brought into the discussion, the following comes to mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq1ZYSuEnu8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_T27JYn_os

I just have to chip in and put a question mark above the eventual reader's head. OK, first of all, there was nothing before Saunderson, May and Atkins. There were, and there still are today, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson and Juan Atkins (who at the time was working under the Model 500 alias, and is widely acknowlegded as the man who produced the first ever techno track). However, there are debates as to what is, and by whom, was the first proper Detroit techno track ever delivered. Naturally, the sound was heavily electro influenced (because of Kraftwerk, duh), and Atkins best exemplified it in the early days. The thing to keep in mind is that, while historically speaking, Atkins had a record out first, the stuff he was releasing was pure electro, with a slight twist. Sure he had a record and his label made before May and Saunderson, but it wasn't until Derrick May dropped Nude Photo that it was fully understood what Detroit techno was. As much as Atkins was at the forefront of producers hailing from the Motor City, his sound was as much interpretation as it was innovation. From what I've gathered, it was Derrick May who really gave Detroit that "trademark" touch, the sound which made people identify the city with techno music. Simultaneously with Atkins' input in the Cybotron project, his high school buddies were more into the sound of stuff like Manuel Gottsching's "E2-E4", where the hypnotising, loopy effects, phase patterns, the superb use of synth stabs and melody work were placed above the machine, computer dominated sounds of Kraftwerk and other emerging projects of the eighties. Hence the large difference in Derrick May's and Juan Atkin's production opus; one opted more for the wicked electro painted tunes, and made a respectable career out of it (along with recording proper Detroit techno under influential pseudonyms such as Infiniti), while the other took the more harmonic, melodic, and (call it that if it is going to make you feel better) organic path, kick starting the entire Detroit techno movement as we know it today. So, now, anno 2010, when one shoots off terms like Detroit techno, you have people either thinking of the whole U.R. fraction down with Mad Mike, Drexciya, and many of their affiliates and studio partners. The other cheek of Detroit techno shows the soulful side, the mellow and the deep, brought by artists such as Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin, Eddie Fowlkes and Stacey Pullen. Yeah, this is not like an attack or anything, more of a second opinion. Very often, people get the sensation that just because Atkins had a record out first, that it must have been him who had done it. Which is kind of unfair, because at the time of his first 12"-ers, a term "Detroit techno" was something nobody had in mind yet. Whatever your opinion on the matter may be, it took more than Atkins' take on an already exisitng genre to forge and install Detroit techno as the force to be measured against. Most of the stuff posted here, all of it being classic regardless (such as U.R., Suburban Knight and Drexciya) came much later. Sure Cybotron had tunes out before Derrick May, but if you listen to their electro, and then head striaght to May's Strings Of Life, it can become confusing as to where subjective interpretation ends and where real innovation starts... Whatever, I hope all of it made sense...

You're kidding right? Dan Brown doesn't have a patch on Umberto Eco, not even in his dreams. He's an entertaining read, with enough suspense to keep you attached to the book, no doubt, but it's not much more then a high octane adventure, so if you're expecting Eco, save yourself the effort and the delusion!

My honest opinion is that Dan Brown is the same shit as John Grisham, Mario Puzo or Tom Clancy. Grisham used the judicial system, the law suits and the courts of various sorts to create suspense and tension in his novels. Mario Puzo built an entire career trying to re-write "The Godfather" a hundred times over. Unfortunately, all of his subsequent work sucked even more than his breakthrough novel. On the good side, the movies are ace. Tom Clancy dealt with political, diplomatic and foreign policy issue/problems/scandals, double jeopardies, spying games and similar stuff. Dan Brown on the other hand is using this whole catholic, occult mysticism, which, while unquestionably very vivid and palpable, full of very imaginative descriptions and interesting trivia, still never really reaches the heights Brown gets credited for. All four of these authors have three things in common: 1) all four are pretty average writers 2) the movies made based on their books are always better than the books themselves. I'd usually put myself to sleep with the fish for even thinking that a movie is better than a book, but I'd rather read "Angels and Demons" a dozen times over than see the movie once again. 3) they all basically exploited the same genuine idea (at best two) over and over and over and over, more times than anybody would (and could) want to count.

Hello. Here's the deal. Going through my vinyl stock, I gathered some regular, old school trance vinyls I do not listen to - ever. I will literary trade all of below for 1-2 techno vinyls from your collection, or for something purchased off discogs. Naturally, the item you'd eventually purchase on my behalf would cost less than all the vinyls I'd give you combined. Basically, if you have any techno 12" you'd like to swap for some old school trance, please do contact me! Here it goes: Robert Leiner- Visions of the past (2xLP) http://www.discogs.com/Robert-Leiner-Visions-Of-The-Past/release/133994 Unreal- 3 (12", promo) http://www.discogs.com/Unreal-3/release/2066330 Ram 441- Illumination (12") http://www.discogs.com/Ram-441-Illumination/release/67450 Technossomy- Timepiece / Germination (Huge Rant Mix) (12") http://www.discogs.com/Technossomy-Timepiece/release/198578 Lunar Module- Mental Acid Trilogy (Part 3) (12") http://www.discogs.com/Lunar-Module-Mental-Acid-Trilogy-Part-3/release/143724 Legal Mission- Forcing tomorrow (12") http://www.discogs.com/Legal-Mission-Forcing-Tomorrow/release/200209 The condition of all vinyls ranges from VG+ to NM. I will literary give you the whole bunch for virtually any decent techno record you'd like to get rid of. PM me. Bye!

Reger, wassup my man?! What are you up to these (those) days? I see you're still throwing smiley faces around as though it was smilecalypse! Come on, that is a lame wannabe excuse! If your country has entered a crisis now, then why haven't you been to the festival before. And besides, Croatia went out of a war, barely recovered, and then entered an unprecedented financial crisis, and we're still going! I demand to see you there - I need to meet the lithuanian-monitor-extension-20,000-posts-and-counting man in person! /Seriously, hop on for the ride, and I promise you can share my three stripe tooth paste, hair shampoo and shaving foam! Not the tent though, unless you're bringing some steaming hot lithuanian women along

A few items gone, added Miss Kittin, Dave Clarke, James Ruskin, some more Mills, Zenith... Most stuff is 5-6 euro.

We'll be there, with a croatian flag high up in the air. The handsome guys living in two story silky tents, flashing 24k Rolex watches, sipping Perrier bottled water and slobbering all over your women

I have the Nova Tekk version. I used to have the Dragonfly release as well, but then I sold it a few years back - not for some overblown discogs price, but it wasn't cheap either... I decided to keep the Nova Tekk version due to the amazing, enhanced graphics on the cover art. It is still one of the only psy trance orientated CD I'd never sell, along with "Tetrahedron", Trippy Future Garden", "Family Of Light" and maybe even "Geomantik". I guess it has an enduring, everlasting quality. I can count on my fingers the albums I can listen to for more than a decade after their original release and still be as impressed. Maybe only Speedy J, Surgeon, Cosmosis and early U.R. stuff belong in that privileged category of evergreen artists

I remembered some examples and releases... There is this one CD shop without any advertisement in Paris, and it's located inside an appartment building, ground floor if I remember correctly. It sells mainly industrial/noise/abstract/drone/modern classical releases, and the CD which was bumping when I walked in was unbearable. I asked myself how can anybody work there. Anyways, it was in there that I stumbled upon a new and unsealed copy of the first installment of Jochem Paap's "Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs" Same city, another place I found the original 12" pressing of the classic Derrick May remixes of Sueno Latino. Then I remember walking into this store, a street away from where the old Cyber Productions were located, which mainly had the stuff popular at the moment (Faki, Dubfire, Alex Under, MyMy, Umek and what not), but inside the bargain bin I scored two copies of Josh Wink's "Don't Laugh" (the '95 pressing with both the live raw mix & the sample on its own) + a barely used original red pressing of Solar Quest's "Acid Air Raid" for a total of 15 euro! Then, in Berlin, I remember finding a new and sealed copy of the selected Richie Hawtin tunes in the 1990-2000 era; the australian release, published on Hardware. It cost like 8.50 euro... I've never seen a copy since, and the average price for that one on discogs is about three times as much. It was more than worth it, if only for the fact that it's the only CD where you can find Minus Orange in its full unmixed glory - eight minutes of five star techno. Fetching a copy of what is quite probably amongst my top three records of all times: "Regis" by Regis, a CD only collection of his finest EPs ever, for 6 quid in London. Speaking of which, I also scored a new and unsealed copy of "V/A Underground Control One - Acid City", a fairly average release overall, but with full and unmixed versions of Chris Liberator's and Lawrie Immersion's tracks, and for 4 pounds!!! It's a one-off release on Uppercust Records, which never resurfaced again. And I have never seen another copy for sale - anywhere, and the Liberator track to this day remains one of my all time favorite, most demented London style acid techno ch00nz... Oh yeah, and the Crop Circles vinyls... But that story'll have to hold...

Cool thread. Even though Zagreb was never really a city known for opportunities (at least as far as scoring amazing electronic music CDs goes), or better yet, maybe it was until I looted every single square meter which had a CD in it, what you miss is something that has crossed my mind quite a few times. To take it even further, I miss those days when I was the first guy to take a vinyl out of the shrink wrap and give it a spin - riht there in the shop. Be the first to drop the new Josh Wink (or whoever is it you fancy) single under the needle. Yum. And going through sale bins. Touching and moving over two hundred CDs to the side only to *maybe* find something you hold valuable... But I used to do this as well. Since we never had many (apart the obvious stuff every 12 year old had) gems in stock around these parts, whenever I'd be making an out of the country trip, I'd look up on the internet, and try to find as many CD shops and their respective adresses as I could. Then, I would write them down, and mark with little "x" points on the map where those shops were. To cut the long story short, I visited just about anything with a web site, and an adress clearly visible on my monitor! Soooooooooooooooo many stories of me roaming through London's subway and god knows where else only to make it to the next record shop. First trip to Paris, not a word of french on my behalf and I'm begging the guy to give me a discount. Berlin, too many CDs and not enough money. I beg the guy to keep the music on the side for me, as I'll be back tomorrow with more money. Don't really recall how, but I actually made it! I still fancy a good afternoon spent in a shop, looking for that "this is it" vinyl, but those moments are few, and far apart from each other, all the more why I worship them even more, and remember them quite well.

Hi all. This is mainly a techno sales list, this time around, I just thought I'd post it here since there are plenty techno freaks around here, plus I'm selling quite a lot of classic gems in great shape for a really fair price. Have a look (but don't touch)! Check the first post of this thread for more info.

...Check the power from the sub bass department here. I have this on vinyl. Need I say what it does to the adjacent building? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLfbe4bhMQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfhPP1mFjvQ

I knew you'd get around to figuring out it's the same guy who made Timeless Altitude, that's why I intentionally didn't post it. Quite probably '94s biggest party anthem... Anyways, to avoid being tagged with the "constant rant" sticker, here are a few new(er) tunes I really like, and all of them rocked main dance stages for entire party seasons. Hope you like it: http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVr82_xhXc Check out what is this "grandpa" still capable of recording: http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAdsH688h80

Oh man, is this really the kind of sound Secret Cinema pursue now? Sure, not everyone has to do the same thing to eternity, but the last time I saw him live, this was more or less the sound he used to keep us on the edge of our seats: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_T27JYn_os Compared to stuff like Reaktivate, it seems like his evolution during the past decade is more or less equivalent to a big, fat zero... On a more positive note, the Len Faki ch00n isn't bad, if it wasn't for those corny vocals. What on the earth's core is that? As cheesy as Flava Flav's kitchen clock hanging around his neck...

Antic man, take it easy. I wasn't pointing any fingers (yet). I respect your opinion and you usually seem very reasonable and eloquent in your judgements and thoughts/opinions. I was just merely stating this irritating trend, and don't tell me you haven't noticed it, of people starting music reviews with "Oh it's a great release, but it could have been even greater if the sub bass department was toned down in favor of tweaking the bits and adequately manipulating the cutoff and resonator!" I mean, yay for phux sake. I don't remember one single site from "those days" where reviews of electronic music were included, and where people's main preocupation was overcompression and the loudness war - whatever those terms may be. So, once again, this isn't a fireball thrown in your direction, I usually enjoy reading your often insightful reviews, so don't cut my veins with Artha's CD man ;-) Even if the world falls off its axis, I will be there. I will be seeing you as well, I hope. But damn it, that is one hell of a trip. I guess the real adventure will be getting to Hungary on time and in one piece and not attending the festival!!!

Templar: The album is finally here. As somebody stated before me, this one will take some time to get accustomed to. It sounds nothing like what I expected, which was an instant short-term turn off, but hopefully on longer notice, this will be a grower and eventually my initial preconceptions and prejudices will be left behind. I can sense quality and effort through and through, but I guess I wasn't ready for this. Two fat thumbs up go to Cronomi. There is nobody doing anything even remotely similar to the last two releases you guys published. I guess "Influencing dreams" is a step above "People walk funny" which was already a vast improvement upon your freshman release, "Freshly cut tomato". I really you continue paving your own path, with a roster of fine artists, followed by dedicated fans and followers of what you do. Great job! Anyways, I think you guys need to cut it with the whole alleged label war thing. Seriously, I hope I am part of minority who actually read that crap. Believe me, stuff like that makes you lose credibility points by the dozens, and makes one question your actual intention, apart that of spamming, naturally. Trust me, it is crap. Ergo, by writing crap, you yourself become identified with... You get it. You can't blame people for picking a bone with you if you turn an album promotion thread into a battle field. In a scene as small and restricted as this one, throwing around terms like label wars is redundant. Second of all, why do I feel like I am the only non-geek "Hi, my name is rino and I don't know what mastering is" or "I have no idea what good mastering is supposed to sound like as opposed to weak mastering". When you guys party out, do you actually stand 70 feet away from the speakers and comment on treble frequencies and stuff? I really don't want to be disrespectful, but where did all these sound engineers come from? I wish I had some of you around my place when I was setting up my room hi-fi system. No wonder I can't get the best out of my music...

Big MWNN fan over here as well (btw, we share the same name) Saw and heard him last year at Ozora, he closed the main stage, if I remember correctly. I don't know about the keeps to himself part either. After the set, he wandered around the festival area with friends/family, and he was more than open to people coming up to him to shake his hand and so forth. I am not sure of this, but I think Colin once wrote that a new album was being planned, but how Martin's private issues eventually dragged him off coarse. I can't confirm that though.

OK now, I don't have many tips and/or advices, but the minute I read your description of what is it that you are looking for, only one, single release sprung to mind: Gus Till- Best Of The Rhino Years Vol. 2 (Sonic Dragon Records) (2007) (http://www.discogs.com/Gus-Till-Best-Of-The-Rhino-Years-Vol-2/release/1138541) As far as my ears go, it is dark, never overly layered, the sounds are almost as progressive as they gets, and the bass lines oomph your frame to death. Or, that is the impression I get when listening to it. I hope you do the same. And if you don't, sue meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Beh, this topic is a decade late... Too bad you're not from Zagreb, too many fond memories and great sets to write down, and reminisce about One thing I do know though, is that Vox for one doesn't need nitzo tunes to gain recognition or respect. I don't think slipping into oblivion is a wise choice of words though... After approximately a full 15 years of wrecking parties nation wide, and cementing his reputation as a DJ who has been around Croatia's psy trance scene since its thumb sucking days, I reckon it will be quite some time before his legacy wears out From what I know, he never cashed in on his talent or skill, but if you ask anybody who has been around these parts for some time, they will all tell you the same thing - as far as old school goa/psy trance parties go, Vox is a 100% proof legend! Odds are, a vast majority of parties from back in the day which "mean something" today, Vox was there spinning records like there was no tomorrow

Good choice! But... Can't find more acidic tracks?!?! Here is my personal top 20 list of London's finest...: Weathermen- Thunderflash Dr. Octopus- Dr. Octopus (original) Lochi- London acid city Dynamo City- Shape shift Chris Liberator- Cat's eye D.O.M.- Full throttle The Geezer- Long and short of it DDR & The Geezer- Mad cows on acid Well Paid Scientists- High noon in gotham city (to the batrave...let's go!) Pete Skank- Stay in bed forever DDR & The Geezer- Spades Star Power- X ray OK Magnum Force- 44 calibre A&E Dept- The rabbits name was... (Kris Needs' Kek Detonator mix) Shaft Punk- Squat rock D.O.M.- acid war (Liberator's 303 attack mix) Chris Liberator & The Geezer- 303 power Trip Hazard- One drug D.A.V.E. The Drummer- Jack me Rozzer's Dog- World war 303 Hm, looking at, I guess that's what my favorite London acid techno tunes are...

There already were two 303 related topics not so long ago. Ah, I found them both! Recently I have been going through a lot of my old Smitten/S.U.F./Routemaster records, and had such an amazing time re-living the classics. Sigh. http://www.psynews.org/forums/index.php?/topic/47819-three-o-three/page__view__findpost__p__847024__hl__sulfurex__fromsearch__1 http://www.psynews.org/forums/index.php?/topic/52182-recommend-me-acid/page__view__findpost__p__899179__hl__sulfurex__fromsearch__1