Taika-Kim

Yeah, I usually post unfinished tracks to there for some feedback. It's really the best audio forum I know. I use some VST plugins, mostly freeware stuff like Polyibit... Synth 1 is also great. Then some VST effects, what there is really to say? I don't think my presets would be of much use because I tend to like simple sounds, and I never the presets anyway... I used to have some synths, but using hardware is SO five minutes ago You can download all my music free from http://www.aavepyora.net , there's several albums, altough the older ones are a quite mixed bunch, quality-wise Also if you want to see how my tracks are made, remix them or anything, the project files to most of them can be downloaded from http://psycle.pastnotecut.org/ If you must have some presets, Cosmosis has a ton of his Albino sounds on his webpage. But, well... they're just sounds, anybody can get the same ones with a bit of tweaking, the skill is in the overall production, live tweakage & creativeness...

I think Solstice is one of the best tracks on the album... That legato sine lead is just sublime...

Well, I don't even bother reading this thread from the beginning because I can pretty much guess the two poles around which the issue is revolving, but just gotta say that I've been listening to trance for 8 years and I also listen to a lot of different music (mostly, actually) and for me, Posford's sound has always had some really special factor that just lifts it above everybody else. He uses the same tricks and sounds over and over, but they happen to be some that I like very much! I don't care for change so much inside some definite genre... I like more the variation between completely different angles of asthetic experience. I had actually been listening to psy for some years before I first heard Twisted. I was immediately spellbound, and I remeber thinking: "oh yeah! so it IS possible to make a good psy ALBUM contra some good individual tracks!" It's like with Mucha's art nouveau posters... Every single one looks great, even though they're almost identical stylewise. And though there were also other great ones like Beardsley etc, Mucha is simply the best in this one definite colourful style, which I happen to prefer against more abstract styles like Toulouse Lautrec's etc... And then there's something else like art deco, which is cool in a _different_ way, with completely different artists.

Just something very interesting I've noted: There seems to be a lot of really young people listening to my music... I've got feedback even from people under 16 & so, so there's no way they probably even know what goa is/was... I've noticed in some parties with a lot of young (under 20) people that oldschool goa really gets them going. To them some GNOTR might actually be a fresh sound! And let's remember that records used to have a lot more dynamics those days so at best they sound really GREAT on loud soundsystems, especially outside... There's people who love my music, and don't even know what psychedelic trance really is! I think that this is a proof that even goa style music can be fresh & interesting to people these days Also lately in general in Finland I've heard a LOT of goa influences in Finnish music & people seem to like it!

The problem with old goa tunes sounding often dated is usually with the production, not the tunes necessarily. I think that the spiritual/hypnotic/sublime sound wasn't even half explored before the cyber tech full on prog etc took over. It's very much like with art nouveau in the beginning of the 20th century... There was great promise in the works of Victor Horta, Antonio Gaudi & the whole lot, but after the first ideological clashes with the modern society and the first world war the style was forgotten really fast and different styles of modernism took over... And it took a long time for a new paradigm to take hold after that, at least until the 60s or so... I don't mean that everybody should try to sound like Doof or GNOTR, but that there is SO much more to trance music than this maxxed out grinding & bubbling that psytrance is these days. The problem with newschool is that people are just trying to sound like the old records they like. That's the manneristic fallacy, and getting over it is the first step in starting the journey towards the still mostly uncharted seas of spiritual trance!

I have that and might sell it, what's your offer? It's my only copy of TIP 3D though... I might trade for the digipak version of Ominus, or then some nice pile of money

Ooh, crap, this would be very very great for that abandontrance idea! But, hmm, this would cost money I guess, and because we still don't have anything up, I don't think there's any point paying and then just let them sit...

I used to be a collector too, so I know why people do that. These days I tend to think, that collecting old releases only for the sake of it (=many old obscure releases that mostly have the same tracks over and over, and the unknown ones usually are that for a reason...) is being in love with matter a bit too much. I think it's important to learn to ignore the banshee call of materialism. It's a part of this asme vicious circle of consumerism, that is taking this system of life DOWN on this planet. It's easy to let this craving for [whatever material] that you can spend on grow on you when you have a lot of money (which, to be honest, almost ANYBODY doing any normal job in the western world today has) available. But after the fullfillment of getting whatever you want, there's always the anticipation for the next thing. Unless this circle is broken, the individual is caught in the trap of working, spending, working and then speding some more. Collecting some goa albums is of course not any big sin, but it's one facet of this problem. When people get used to spending and any level of financial welfare, it's hard from them to ever go down from that. The current situation is the level to which all other possible levels of welfare are compared to, and there is rejection to the thought of spending less, even thought this spending never really does anything else than upkeep this particular habitual way of life. Especially interesting in philosophical sense this question comes when you think of situations when there are two options: you can have the music (=digital information like MP3) or you can have the music AND some physical manifestation of it. Many people feel drawn towards this physical manifestation and spend a lot of money on some rare album. So in essence they are only paying a LOT of symbolical added value. Now let's think about global economy for a while: These same people could also use that same amount of money to help level the inequalities between the rich and the poor. The could do that, and still have the music (which is what albums are really about!), so in essence they would only be losing the prestige value of the item. So let's assume that some individual has spent 5000 pounds on her/his collection... With that amount of money, hundreds of human lives could have been saved somewhere and so on. Of course this only speculation, because the two options were never really opposite to each other, the other one was only an option that never actualised. But's let's now assume that this same person was travelling somewhere, and met some poor villagers whose homes were destroyed in an earthquake. The winter was coming, and the cold is already killing people. Now, if this fellow was really a human being, he would feel empathy towards these people and he might think: "oh crap, all my rare CDs are really just pieces of plastic, whereas the resources I wasted on them could save the life of these people now". Why is it so hard for people to share unwillingly? Is absolute utilitarism really an unattainable trait for the humankind? I know this probably sounds really black and white and over contrasted, but I hope people would look more deeply under what I'm saying. We are so used to speding money, we never really stop to think, what kind of system we are upholding with it. I'm definitely not saying I'm much better than this, but I'm at least trying :/ Trying to be a better human being. So: If somebody came to you and said: "Would it be so bad to transfer all your CDs to mp3, sell the CDs, and then give the money away?", what would be your answer? The only loss would be sentimental, some prestige, but the gains would be felt in the real world, lives could be saved, nature protected, human rights upheld, or whatever you deem valuable in this world... I'm sorry I'm not very good at communicating complex ideas in english, now that I'm reading this, I feel I'm missing many points. Then again, knowing is not the same as understanding. Understanding is more akin to enlightenment, the process where previously only observed things and ideas became part of your personal world and you have a moment of revelation...

http://www.aavepyora.net , there's several... A new one should be ready in a month or two.

I'm listening to this right now. I like the slow BPM, music is so awfully fast these days... Sometimes it's just fun to dance to more peaceful rhythms. I like the bass mixing, it sounds very smooth & rounded... Also nice vibe, altough it's melodic, it's not too cheesy. Very relaxed sound. And, hmm, portamentoed acid sounds work every time Those stabs remind me of very old MWNN really. And that's good! There's also hints of Har-El in the arpeggios, which is nice too The chord pads could be a bit thicker in the start and middle maybe, when they are the only sounds? Or just overlay some other pads on top maybe. This some of the best unreleased oldschool trance I've heard for a while, and actually better than some released tracks that are so cheesy they hurt my ears! Very good. Do you have some other music somewhere available for downloading?

And about the site: The idea about some kind of voluntary micropayment system is great, I love that! I have thought about something similar when I release my new album soon... I was thinking of having a counter on the site showing the money collected, and then maybe a poll to decide where the money goes... There's lots of places in the world where there is better use for money than buying the latest full-on CD. Just think of it. But I still don't like the idea of any kind of central organisation (besides from collecting the money, that should be done by somebody we all trust enogh) because all the eggs would be in the same basket then if the person(s) gets tired, nobody wants to carry on with the project, and so on... I was hoping that the artists would release (some specific) tracks/EPs/albums to the public domain under some license that would prohibit commercial use, like Creative Commons 2 etc. This way everybody could enjoy them, but nobody could exploit the copyright by selling the tracks. So the only thing that would be in any way centrally managed would be some list with all the approved releases and then people would be free to distribute them in any way the want. Isn't Choci's Chewns also dead btw? (too tired to check myself now...)

Hmm, I haven't thought about releasing anything really. I don't see what I would benefit from confining the music under some publishing deal? Of course I would be happy to make a real relase if there was Big Money involved (with my style of music=fat chance of that happening...). I would definitely be more happy to do music than any other low-paying shit job for living But, in Finland the social security systemi is so good that I don't really have to think about money. Now I'm studying, so I make a good living out of student support money... Some people have asked about releasing tracks, but they had problems with the music also appearing for free on the net so the talks were abandoned. And besides all this, I JUST LOVE FREE CULTURE! Digital information is limitless in abundance, so there's really no need to limit distriburtion... Since there is no real-world equivalent amount of work behind any given piece of information (as there is with all manufactured goods, for example), it is- at least theoretically- free from prestige value, which is _exactly_ what human culture needs, IMO I also haven't done much promotion besides from sending some messages to different forums & some CDs to people I know from the 'net and who have asked for them. The music is downloaded nicely enough, and I get enough feedback to keep me going

Most of my tracks are actually lame goa ripoffs with very little creative input.

I've been wondering about these seemingly pretty new comps with totally unrecognizable tracknames that are showing up on ebay, and I was just wondering, are these any good? I'm assuming that these are all made by the same guys under different names? I mean comps like these: http://records-nordic.de/index.html?d_COOL...chedelic670.htm http://musik.ciao.de/Goa_Tribe_Area_2_Various__1581910 And so on... Actually there were some mp3s on some websshop some time ago, and I was a bit suprpised to hear something that I'm almost 100% sure is actually released on some real label by some real artist... So it even seemed they were stealing tracks? It wasn't this label though, I think. There's TONS of comps like these around, I've seen dozens, bt nobody seems to ever own even one? What's going on? Are these the ghosts of goa trance (RIP)? Or what the hell...

I sold some CDs to him, everything went just smooth, except that there was some error one disc that I hadn't realised, oops Anyway very good communication.

I made some very good & honest deal with him some time ago, absolutely recommended!

CD, the digipak release please. I have all kinds of interesting stuff available for trading.

Well, people, start asking around I have 0 contacts with any old non-finnish trance artists, so my usefulness to the project is limited. I think if somebody gets some permissions, we could just make a forum for these releases here, and I could provide the server space if needed, we have a lot, and bandwidth too...

Well, I mailed Phantasm yesterday, but the ebvious problem is that most old labels are dead... Symbiosis & Celtic records were for example great, but both are folded. And would I think megalabels like Dragonfly & TIP:World would be opposed to this anyway, I'm not sure how pro scene they are anymore... Should still try to mail them I think, they're some of the few remaining pioneers. I have no idea where to get contact information for artists so this is a bit hard...

I've been thinking about the possible technical side... I think we for example have 1.6 terabytes/mohth available for downloading, so even a direct download site might work, I can imagine it takes a while to get above that even if many people are downloading... Then: have a forum somewhere (even here on Psynews?) for the sharing, and have an own thread for every release there, with both a direct download link and a torrent link? It would be easy to add releases and talk about them there, and there would be no need for any centralised server. The idea is to have a database of those releases that are approved for this kind of free distribution by the artists/labels, so that people could just host the files where ever they want. And, in general, I don't like the idea of any one/few people having decisive power over _any_ communal activity. I don't like the idea of one centralised site, there's always the problem of everything going down if the people behind it get tired, or abandon the project for some other reason... OK, coming up next: what the artists have to say about this. I'm trying to get in touch with some labels...

My god, that is great*! I mean: what _happened_ to this music? Sadly, I have no idea what the tune is...

Well if some collectors don't like to share because they payed a lot for some album, it's a problem of their ego, it has nothing to do with the real world. It's not like they're losing, unless they believe in a "zero-sum" game of happiness, ie. the amount of Good in the universe is a constant. These kind of beliefs were common in medieval times in Europe. This kind of attitude really makes me angry, really! I think it's really selfish. Technically it's pretty understandable since in their mode of thought they will be losing prestige if releases that previously were exclusively in ther possession are suddenly available to anybody, but again, this is a bit tribal, I think that if the accumulation of matter is the most important way of gaining social recognition/ self-esteem to anybody, they have a problem in their hands... Then again, I'm just a dirty hippie, maybe there's just something I'm missing :/ Completely another game is the fact that making vinyl transfers is a lot of work, I can see that many people are not going to spend their free time doing it for nothing. Hmm, but BT... Isn't it really a problem if people just stop seeding? I'm not very familiar with torrents. Is there a way to ensure the availability of files? And yes! That's exactly what I thought: making some kind of information also available about each release so it wouldn't be just a leech site. Nice to see that I'm not alone in being worried about great releases fading into obscurity... I also didn't mean to necessarily have a ton of files, at least in the beginnig, but especially focus on _interesting_ releases.

I have had an idea for a long time now about a site that would collect old obsolete vinyl releases for everybody to download. I, for example would SO much like to hear the first Mindfield & Infinity Project EPs around 1991-3. I don't think this would damage anybody's franchise since commercially these tracks are completely outdated and the pressings are long gone, too. There's so much good stuff out there that will otherwise be LOST forever to some obscure vinyl collections as records are lost & broken little by little. In a hundred year's time, this culture & the tunes we created will be lost if we continue like this... This music deserves to be preserved and enjoyed! Any thoughts about this anybody? Artists? Labelpeople? How about practically? Do you think there would be problems with the copyright owners? Most of the labels are defunct, and I don't believe the artists themselves would want to interfere with people sharing their old music? I haven't been in touch with any labels or artists yet, but I'm planning to. I just wanted to know, if there's interest in this. My problem of course is, that I don't have an vinyl collection and I can't do webpage design. But I could volunteer for the PR person who keeps in touch with the artists/ other copyright owners. And I could also donate server space. I think a torrent site would be the most sensible, but continuity is a problem always when people stop seeding... So in the beginning it could be just a download site, our homepage has something like 40gig quota, of which we use maybe 5% This kind of system has been working for oooold computer games for many years, as long as the titles are considered obsolete, and are no more sold, the companies seem to have adopted a rather friendly approach. Check out for example : http://www.the-underdogs.org/ Parallel discussion: http://www.psy-forum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=37467

bump. some edits to the list.

Hmm, I think both Raja Ram & The GMS dudes are free to do pretty much anything they want at this point since they're been at it for so long. I don't know Raja's part in 1200 Mics tracks, but I guess he has 30 years of experience about what moves people on the dancefloor. Even though I don't like recent GMS or 1200 Mics so much, just check out the first GMS album, Chaos Laboratory, it has such insanely great trance tracks that I'm completely happy to see them move on, even if I don't like the way :/ And hey, I think it's fun for them to make some money after doing goa for so long I don't see how commecial psytrance can harm the "scene". PPL can still make free parties with wild spirit if they want. They don't have to listen to music they don't like, or book those artists...