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You should keep in mind that every paying method apart credit card is slower for various reasons. Anyway you are really a pussy for complaining since the cds arrived relatively fast

Yeah i guess not everyone can appreciate good music like i do LOL

Xerox And Freeman-In My Brain is a very good tune actually,i dont know why some people might not like it.

Nice review

When you dont pay the artist/artists involved then trust me their is a very good profit. Just check various forums and read various cases and you will understand what i mean...

http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/...forum/8/start/0 Read Perplex Answer!

The MARKET is getting smaller. The AUDIENCE is getting a little bigger. There is a major difference between these two. And no in our days sales are falling down all the time if you compare them with what happened 5 years ago. Three main reasons for that. A)Evolution of technology (pc's are easy and cheap to get in our days,the same with fast internet which means easy illegal downloads for free,also easy and cheap to buy a cd recorder and burn cds). B)Too many labels and too much music around (meaning that the buying music crowd has been divided into smaller pieces and keeps dividing every day which means that labels that in the past enjoyed a great share of the market like TIP,Dragonfly and Hommega for example now have to get used to smaller sales percentage since people support and buy from other labels too even if these other labels dont really worth the peoples money). C)Low quality of music (the music in our days is just bad with just one out of ten tracks worth listening to unlike in the old days where each cd had at least three major hits by great artists such as X Dream,Koxbox,Transwave,Astral Projection and the likes.Today all sort of crap is getting released and people got bored with this situation so they decide to download instead to buy,they dont have enough money anyway).

Not all labels grow. Most just say where they begin and just destroy the market for the rest that try to evolve,please dont make me tell you any names,just check psyshop and see labels with more than ten releases and how they have evolved through this time.

Ofcourse they are not all producers. Most of them are dj's LOL.

So that people might finally notice you and become the super mega star artist/dj you always wanted to be.

Sorry but i still dont get it

Who is GingerBoy?

Being the most popular doesnt always meaning you are the best. Its like David Beckham in soccer. He is the most famous player in the world today but far away from being the best So please dont rush into conclusions

Yes yes yes!!! P.S You prick LOL

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Actually Simon released also the Shpongle album this year People though (most of them at least) voted for him as Hallucinogen or Simon Posford and not as Shpongle and thats why he lies on second position.If i would count his votes as Shpongle too then he would be number one in the list but i cant be in peoples minds when they vote so it might be unfair to combine Hallucinogen and Shpongle votes together. Second position is also good anyway

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PKS thanks for the kind words mate,no need to mention my respect towards you and your efforts to put up with a new label in the chill out world.Every person who is willing to put time,money and effort in the scene is welcome and i guess you are more than welcome Things are like just The Journey Man mentioned in his wine example.Exactly the same though in psy trance good music gets less sales (like a good wine is sold for a less price) not because there is too much good music around but on the contrary because there are too many shitty releases around.I mean we have 200 labels and only 20-30 of them really worth any mention at all.The rest are just flooding the market and are being run by wannabe djs,wannabe artists,wannabe promoters and wannabe superstars. Its not bad wanting to be a dj or a producer in your life,its preety nice actually and each one of us has a dream,BUT do things the right way,dont create a label so that you can dj under its name just because noone else is interested in your dj skills,dont create a label in order to release your own and your friends music just because no other label is interested in releasing this music,instead of spending your time and little money on a crappy label spend your time and put more effort in becoming better on what you really want to be.You want to be a DJ?Fine buy some equipement and some original music and practice at home,dont open a label just to gain more exposure.You wanna be a famous artist?Very nice so buy some equipment,go to a music school and built your own studio and work on your skills and ideas,sooner or later the labels will appreciate what you do and you will find your own way,you dont need a label in order to release your stuff immediately so that the people will get to know you,thats just not the right and proper way of doing things. A label and its manager must be focused on delivering good music to the people and promoting our small scene not to promote our friends and ourselfs so we become more famous and travel the world for free while playing our music to parties and have fun.Being a label manager and a dj or a producer at the same time is not bad BUT music is priority number one of a label manager and the rest come after. I am a label manager myself,i run a relatively new label with just 5 releases,its not easy but i try to do it,i spend a lot of money and effort on it but i really love what i do,i am into this because i like it not because i try to gain something from it,if i wanted fame or money i would never get involved with psy trance anyway.I am also getting booking offers for my self (funny but true) and i could also 'demand' from various people to play on their parties but i dont do that for the simple reason because i am not a dj (at least i dont consider myself to be one for the time being) and because i try to promote my artists through the label and not myself,thats the job of a label manager promoting the music and its artists,if someone runs a label for different reasons then he is in the wrong place in the wrong time and also hurts other people that try to do things correctly. So to sum it up,running a label properly is not easy but if anyone out there decides to do it then he should do it the right way for the common good.So next time you want to buy a cd except from the artist and the music please pay a little attention on what labels you support,who knows you might discover that some smaller labels with very good artists and tracklists care more for their customers and match more their needs than the big hot shot labels out there with massive promotion banners everywhere and huge super mega star artists in their rosters.

Dear Kristian its ok for the misunderstanding,i still love you anyway And as you saw i already suggested to you the free cd idea. I am preety sure it can get you much exposure and some bookings also,also it would be a nice way of building a stable base on your feet so that you can release your next album on a more well known label (after the free cd i mean ofcourse).I say you try and do it and i am preety sure it will help you prosper in many ways. Also i aggree with you on the big artist names and labels thing that promoters are sticked too in our days,i sometimes fall on this trap myself for various reasons though occasionally i book many people who are not on big labels or very big names in our days at least in order to introduce new sounds to the crowd. So like i said you should demand what you deserve man,selling your music for 200 euros while some israeli kids ask three times more to release their crap is just unacceptable for me and thats where the irritated word comes into the game since you wondered about it,i am not irritated with you but with the whole situation in the market today P.S The biggest promoter in Greece for 2002 and 2003 was me so you are actually refering to the second biggest lol.

Kristian you tottally misunderstood me,i never ever mentioned that you are into this for the money BUT i cant accept the fact that after all these years in the scene you accept 200 euros for selling one of your tunes.Its not about loving money or not but its more about respect and self esteem if you ask me. Hope my point is even more clear now. And about a booking,mate you know i dont deal with your kind of music in the events i organise or promote so i dont know how you can for example fit in the event with Eskimo and Rinkadink i had in Athens just two days ago for example.Ofcourse not dealing with your music doesnt mean i dont like your music but thats another story ofcourse,i also love Prometheus and Vibrasphere but never worked with them so far To finish with my points i suggest to you to demand what you deserve and not play their game cause if you do so you just keep this sick situation alive with all these shitty artists and labels around. And by the way if you need more exposure and releases and you cant get what you need from the labels then just make an album of your own and release it for free on the internet,this way much more people will know about you since a free album from a respectable artist is the best thing you can get in our days no?

Sorry Kristian but if YOU with a long history in this scene sell today your music for 200 euros to labels then mate you are helping in your way this sick situation to continue taking place by having labels exploiting artists and taking advantage of the situation created by other labels who release shitty music and flood the market with low quality products. Anyway its a big story but i find it really sad not to mention irritating that people like you release your music just for this money and give the right to some shitty labels to tell to younger artists 'If Kristian Elysium charges 200 euro for a track then you must give me your track for 50 euros and a lollipop'.

Elysium mate there is no serious artist out there who will sell or even license a tune for 200 euros to any label.The price you mentioned covers only very young producers who probably sell their first track in a small label and just want to get promoted.Oh and ofcourse 95% of the Israeli artists in our days.Try and offer 200 or even 300 euros to any serious artist out there and the only thing you will manage is to get blocked from his MSN Contacts And ofcourse there is no label out there selling 1000 copies by releasing 8-9 tunes by artists that charge 200 euros for their tunes.If that was true i would release one cd per week at least and i wouldnt have to worry about anything in the world businesswise from today and after.500 cds comes closer to reality. So here are some facts for you guys since you want to know. Average sales of a decent cd in our days is between 800 and 1000 copies.If a label manages to sell less than 500 cds then a)they must change their distributor immediately,b)they must invest more money in better artists and promotion,c)get more serious concerning their label. A good compilation by a good label sells 2000-2500 copies. Good albums usually sell more like 2500-3000 copies for example.Good thing with albums is that they have a wider and longer life span. Very few labels manage to sell more than 3500 copies of one of their titles and ofcourse i refer to big labels such as Hommega,Twisted and Solstice. Artists that sell more than 5.000 copies are just a drop in the ocean and can be counted in the fingers of both hands,yeah you guessed right Infected Mushroom,Hallucinogen,Astrix and Astral Projection are among them. Expenses for releasing a cd include the following... Artists Advance Money Artists Royalties (for those that pay for them) Artists Transfer Money (you need 150-200 euros to send money to artists abroad using the bank system you know) Artwork (300-600 euro) Mastering (300-600 euro) Cd Printing (lets say 1 euro per cd) Promos (200 euros for sending 50-60 cds abroad lets say) Mechanical Rights For Registered Artists (250-300 euro per track for artists such as Etnica,Hallucinogen and Deedrah) Promotion that can go as high as 1000 euros for advertisment,stickers,flyers,banners and stuff. As you can see releasing a cd has a lot of costs that many people simply never thought existed. The big problem of the psy trance market lies on bad distribution system (my cds for example will never reach Brazil except if i print them there) and on countless labels that float the market everyday with really shitty music.I mean psy trance has a limited crowd and having 300 labels around means that sales will go down for each label individually.Lets say for example that there were 50 labels before 5 years in the scene and that the internet stores used to buy lets say 2000 copies from each label,now with 300 labels around these same stores have to provide their customers with all of the new releases so this means that they prefer getting 1000 copies from the big and old established 50 labels and the rest 1000 copies come from the new 250 labels most of them releasing low quality stuff for various reasons.The market cant handle this situation since the offer is much bigger than the demand so everyone is fucked up and specially labels that put a lot of effort and money in order to deliver a good product. Releasing a good compilation can easily cost someone 9000-10000 euros which means that he has to sell something like 1700 copies of 6 euros each in order to break even. So the question that remains is that is it really worth it (financially speaking) releasing a good cd just to make a profit of 2000 euros in the end of the year?The answer is obviously NO since the time and effort spend on releasing this cd worths much more than that. So as a conclusion i suggest to everyone out there to start supporting the labels and artists that they like by buying their original stuff cause this is the real reward for all these people working behind a label or spending their days and nights in a studio producing music.

I say around 800-900 copies Will drop another informative message tomorrow cause now i got to go and play cards

That thing with the hand is just awful. Same goes with the turtle cover. Come on guys pay someone to do your graphics. But seriously now TIP World should win the year award for worst covers in general,i mean not only this year but for the last three years their cover are really really bad and having albums of serious artists such as Johan Bley with such simple and bad looking covers is just a pitty.I would refuse to release my album with such a cover lol.

Nice one