Guest jsb Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 I'm tired to read from people here that artists changes and are "evoluting". It's not because they release an album that this album is better than the previous. Please stop to be dumb. The new Etnica Chrome album is a pure @!#$, if you compare it to Equator, or even Alien Protein that sounds a little bit "old" for now. There's nothing "complicated" in that music, nothing that guys with lot of talents like max & cie should release...It's an insult to their fans, really i don't appreciate their way to "follow the trends" like theys says on their website. The trends sucks, authentix artists must innovate and ignore fuckkings trends. All candy ravers that think their are unique with their fucckking wiggy-pants, are like ants, all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 relax, will you? -=- Matt/Strumpling -=- sheesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vasyachkin Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 wait a second, is JSB that dude who was .... "its so kiddy music" ... and stuff ? if so, then this aint much more than a flame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MK Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 same guy should be interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slidingtrancer Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Could anyone pass the prozac? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soem aeld Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 röj rumpen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [tom jaimz] Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 By your messages, jsb, I'm going to assume that you're a 19 year old kid who's just discovered melodic trance. You wanted more of it, you listened to the new Etnica, you realised it was different, and because you're American [or Canadian, but what's the difference?] you fear different things [you only got into melodic trance 'cause you saw cool people who were into it], and so instead of trying to work out what Etnica were doing with their new sound, you just went, erk! Different! Reject! Reject! I'd ask you to open your mind a little more towards it and realise that what Etnica are doing is not trying to make their fans happy by making music that they think their fans are going to like, but rather creating music they want to create. I get what Etnica are doing, and I love it. A lot of other people don't get it, but that's their problem. How's that for a troll, then, kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slidingtrancer Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 I get what they are doing, but don't like the outcome... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JanUa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 boy ... listen to yourself ... i quote ... "The trends sucks, authentix artists must innovate and ignore fuckkings trends." so aren't they innovating their own music ...?! btw : WHAt trENd'S ?! to make psychedelic music? ... Etnica : nitrox = A Killer! that's my taste i don't care what you think but i try to respect what you think ... but you havn't really made a constructive point have you ... and what is that last sentence doing there ? ... i'll try to rephrase all kid's that think that they are cool cause they stay "true" to the old school are ant's, all the same get it ? ...J ... . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --==MileS==-- Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 I thinks JSB has a point since I also become pretty tired with the 'evolution' argument that artists and listeners often use for stepping onto the minimal/progressive bandwagon. I understand the risks of becoming reduntant by doing the same stuff over and over again but there are other ways to progress than choosing the relative safe path of being techtrance act 2112... Etnica for instance delivered very innovative stuff on Equator imo which was neighter full-on nor progressive...just some unique experimental style (be on Go, Patricia our happy)...but on Nitrox and Chrome we got ultrafast and ultrahard progressive technoshit that isn't really special or unique enough to set itself apart from the rest. Imo its pretty lame and uninteresting compared to a Son Kite or Beat Bizarre (yep, i do like progressive stuff). Its their fair right to 'progress' in any direction they want to, of course ... but we should clearly differentiate between being trendy and being innovative... There is imo too much of the same sounding progressive stuff around to call any material by trendfollowers still essential or innovative. The discussion should be whether an artist manages to sound unique in a world of copycats instead of praising (or slagging it off for that matter) anything that is techtrance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Brain Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Miles is right ! Good music It is not about music genres or trends... Its about new ideas , creativity , unique style , and music progression... After all if something sounds very typical and common usualy the people dont like it and reject it .... Good examples of clever ideas and unique style are : Infected Mushroom , Hallucinogen, Xenomorph, Ticon,Spirallianz-MidiMiliz,Jaia, Tim schuldt,vibrasphere,sphongle.........and many many others Stay Psychedelic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eshanti Brahman Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 JSB: You have some good points. I agree 100 % with on the Etnica statement. "Nitrox" is nothing but totally mediocre music. @!#$ the trends and genres and styules and maximalism vs. minimalism and bla bla. Good music is good music regardless of anything else. And Tom Jaimz: What the @!#$ do you mean by "...beacuse you're just an American or Canadian". I am European, but many Americans and Canadians are more open-minded and broadminded than many Europeans. Nationality and borders doesn't make the slightest differance. People are individuals. Blah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [tom jaimz] Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 I was trolling. Relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 "and because you're American [or Canadian, but what's the difference?]" hehe "Canada: America Junior" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mijis Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 i really liked the etnica track in the fast forward comp if the etnica new album has tracks like 5 stones i will buy it for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JanUa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 i meant the song nitrox . i'll name new sound's in song's or album's that been innovative imo, if not for psy-trance for the artist's themselves... Infected mushroom: red filter (full on 5), BP-empire (album) PsySex : hardcore blastoff (album) isrAliens 3: compilation on hommega Luminus vs Perplex: Plexus (album) Yahel : private collection (album) Psycraft : gravitech (album) these are to me innovative album's, i like them cause they sound good ... fresh sound's, nice melody's, new rythm's, and they are F*ckIng psYchEdliC! it's not that everyone has to be happy with the evolution of psy-trance but when you say... "I'm tired to read from people here that artists changes and are "evoluting". It's not because they release an album that this album is better than the previous. Please stop to be dumb." that's not expressing opinion's ... that's talktalk ... . . . . . cause there are albums that are better for one person and are sh*t to another ... perfect example is BP-empire: i love this album and i sometimes really don't get it that people miss the beauty of it, but i do understand that some people don't like to dance to this album when they are used to the other's ... i was used to the other's too but i learned to love it ... and this album is far more a musical masterpiece than the other's imo ... ... it's not cause people don't like new sound's or think that they arn't true goa sound's that every one else is dumb and they are not héy pal ... personal taste isn't always the standard still you are right about Etnica not being very innovative with there last album and now i get your point .... . . . . . . so what is innovative for you .. . . . . .? ...JanUa ... . . . . . .3ô Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 i like those albums too JanUa. throw in shpongle/and a few others too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jsb Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Here's some artists that regress IMO instead progressing with time : Cosmosis - Intergalactic (regression from synergy) Etnica - Nitrox & Chrome (regression from equator and others) MFG - Message (regression from NOFW and Project Genesis) Shongle -Tales... (different approach from Are you shpongled, more commercial and world music than psychedelic electronic, a regression IMO, but very listenable) But Etnica stands for me as the most regressing artists since a couple or years, it seems that they left their great peiadians project for something more easy and commercial, minimal and boring. Keep on wishing that this minimal waves will not kill all artists js Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 hehe - i think the new shpongle album is much more psychedelic than the old one. Its just 'deeper' in the music than before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jsb Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 WOops, i forgot the greatest regression that people have known since the world is build up : Infected Mushroom. They've never stop regressing since The Gathering, Classical was good but too acoustical, not enough violent and kicking as we were waiting from the good old mushies, now BP Empire is simply a faggot album, a candy raver album with video game samples and boring melancolical melodies, a kind of sleepy trance that push you to suicide rapidly. I'm dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 some of you dont know true candy raver music. you would never say such things if you went to the parties i used to go to. And that still exist - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JanUa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 well ... i don't listen to those artist's ... only shpongle i like and i like the second album very much ... has this warm summer vibe but name some artist's with new album's or song's from last year or so that you do like ... artist's that: or stayed true or innovated in your opinion ... oa, i'll throw in a Shpongle a Cosma and some Beat Bizarre with on top the fresh and only sound of ... Logic Bomb ...JanUa ... . . . . . . . . . 3ô Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jsb Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Well it's hard to name artists that are innovative theses days, it seem that everything released is @!#$. The new twisted compilation can give us some oxygen to breath for the next 6 months. The rest is not sure... If we were in 98, i could give you some great progression : Infected Mushroom : Gathering/Intelligate EP, and old stuff : from progression of Shidapu, that's a very nice move. Hallucinogen : Lone Deranger : from twisted, it's a powerfull progression MFG : From Prophecy, New kind of World is genius. Pleiadians : From IFO, Family of light is more mature and excellent. COP : From old x-dream melodic stuff, COP Urban Alien is genius. Cosmosis : Synergy from Cosmogony is totally great (more complex and excellent, less abuse from 303 acidic sound). Psysex : Very nice progression from Children of the Doc (i really loved the full-on style of COTD), it's more powerfull. Absolum and elixir earlier stuff (98-99) : Great progression from Transwave, more kicking. And the list is long.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JanUa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 well look's like you are a bitch ... didn't read the other post's ... don't need your answer's anymore no respect for kid's with fucked up ego's and deconstructive opinion's without any meaning ... well bye Mister i don't give a damn and really don't listen to the music or respect opinion's of other fellow psyhead's ... kiss this -ass- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 i'm with you somehow jsb, i don't like that minimal stuff either. but i think it is a problem with my ears (or maybe my brain..?!) cause all that minimal stuff sounds the same if i listen to it at a party more than half an hour. but why think and bitch about the stuff you don't like when there is so much stuff to enjoy?? in the last few months there where a lot of albums coming out that are great. as you said unusual suspects. but also fractal glider: parasite, mystery of the 13 crystall skulls, assassinations, oforia: let it beat is also nice, fire has some nice tracks. and psycraft: gravitech is an absolut killer (but a little older...). why not focus on the good things instead of spreading bad vibes? as i said i don't understand the beauty of minmal but some people seem to enjoy it, so i'm happy for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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