Guest russ Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 is it just me, or are high hats/cymbols just about the most annoying sound man has yet invented? i know they are like the "fundamental" sound of dance music, but they drive me freakin barmy. what exactly are they supposed to do to a track? to me having a damn high hat clatter after every kick doesn't add the slightest movement to the track, it just adds annoyance. there is something about the sound, with its high raspiness, that seems diametrically opposed to most of the other sounds in trance. you have all this liquid digital mayhem, and then this little bugger getting continously smashed by a stick. the sound to me is so different and distracting that if there is a really clean high hat sound consistently through the track (especially after the kick), then the song becomes completely unlistenable for me. i can' t hear anything else. you can imagine how GMS and 3d vision music has me tearing my hear out. even yumade, who makes some nice music, drives me crazy with all those high hats. it just sounds completely "unpsychedelic" (whatever that means). high hats seem to work out when they are inconsistent (and not so mechanically quantized), when they are put way in the back of the mix so as to be undistracting, or when they simply don't sound like high hats. i was listening to a few antix tracks the other day, and in places where it is standard to insert some hats, they had some rather more digital-synthetic sounds that did the same job in ways infintely more pleasing to the mix. is there anyone else out there with me on this one? down with the high hats!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JanUa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 it's you ... go see a doctor i like them cause they make a rithm work ... but i see your point to creat new sound's and use them instead of high hat's but what's the diffrence ... you just don't like to hear those high frequencies of the cymbal's ? ... i love them ... and that 2/4 80's drum kick ... hmmmmmmmmm ... . . . . . . . try to give a name of a song were you don't like them and an other were someone uses them correct . ...Janua ... . . . . .3ô Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slidingtrancer Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 I can depend on headphones... at Groove in Amsterdam one of the headphones has too much treble in it, so hihats sound awful there. I dislike hihats which are COMPLETELY open or hihats which sound 'out of' the music or panned to one side. A hihat should be panned near the center ( maybe a little sideways) and should be at the core of the sound ( not too much volume and not too OPEN) I like 808 hihats more in general, the 909 hihat is sooooo overdone in trance and house music.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raider Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 I lveo hi hats, especially if they're melodic, like in many of Hallucinogen old tracks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shpongled Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Heh... I have also complained about hihats here....... I don't like the way everybody puts always open hihat exactly between kick drums... and that usually doesn't change at all... it goes thru track just doing the same thing.................... only track I can remember now that does it in a different way is Brain Dance by Kaaya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nuxx Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 i sorta agree with you...but i love a close low pitched hithats....the tic drives me nuts,,,often trance hats sound too open and high pitched,becoming annoying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MK Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 XV shows how to use the high-hats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Misuse of high hats can ruin a song - Psysex is one group that knows how to use high-hats well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JanUa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 aaaaaah there you said it ... PsySex really now how to use there sound's this is the high hat's i referd to = that 80's drum hèhè pixel is an artist that this too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest phaeton Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 hihats are essential for building a good energy flow in a track, believe me, without a nice 909 open hihat between every kick in the climax of your favourite full on stomper it wouldn't be half as energetic rhythmical complexity is absolutely necessary to fulfill our psychedelic needs and to keep our minds and bodies entertained, especially on the dancefloor .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JanUa Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 the = in my post should be a + hèhè Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tj Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 I hate it when they are too loud in a track, because it sounds like shitty house music to me. They shouldn't stand out from the track too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mindbender Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 I love fast, complex hi-hat rhythms. Even better if it's melodic. They should not stand too much out of the mix. But I sort-of feel what Russ is saying, because that usual bum-tsi-bum-tsi-bum-tsi... stuff can sometimes be really bad and ruin the whole track. I don't like hi-hats that just simply sit snap-on mid-way between two kick drums, except in unusual circumstances. Some have managed to build good tracks, using nothing but this, but it's not very common. As a part of a more complex hi-hat arrangement they're ok usually. But it is rare to have a good beat completely without hi-hats. Oh, well, it maybe good for listening, but not for dancing. Hi-hats give me the rhythm for my hand movements and the other sounds give the shape. Lauri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PortaMento Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 He he, well I guess it's a matter of taste. Personally I love both the 808 and 909 hihats and I even like the classic "bum-tsi-bum-tsi" stuff, as long as it's not going on through the whole song, and as long as the hihats are not too loud. But some people seem to believe that the hihat is an extension of the kick drum, so the hihat is always present with the kick drum. That's really boring, but otherwise I think a straight 909 can sound really good. Just imagine Astral Projection without a 909? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lÿsërgïç Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 yes i was actually thinking what russ said.. just the other day. some times high hats really piss me off. especially when they really stand out, and begin to sound like house music. ive heard tracks with just the kick, and other sounds.. without high hat and it sounded very cool.. very hypnotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nomad Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 atmos shows how to use the hi hat ....fill the hat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest russ Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 yes, lysergic, hypnotic is what i am getting at. so often the high hats prevent me from drifting into the song. it's like i am trying to fall into trance-sleep, and this alarm bell keeps ringing in my ears. i just really love liquid sounds that i can faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllll into... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 I don't dislike hi-hats, but I dislike how they're used "bum-tsi-bum-tsi". An exception is Hallucinogen's hihat sound, which is the hihat that I recognize by sound (i.e. I could hear it out of context and probably recognize it). Melodic high hats, however, are nice. Basically, I'm not into repetition, so if the hihat is just following the kick throughout the song it drives me crazy because it stands out so much and the song starts to sound like "Tsi tsi tsi tsi tsi tsi tsi" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dam10n Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 remember that these tunes are designed to be played on the 80K rig where the bass booms and the treble can get sucked into a vortex... and there's nothing worse than a party where there's muddy treble and just growlsome bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ally Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 MK said XV shows how to use the high-hats i agree with him. i want to know traks using the high-hats like XVs. to russ, whose traks do you think contain annoying high-hats? and i wanna know what antix trak you talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mE Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 don't like the REALLY LOUD ONES very much bop TSSS bop TSSSS bop TSSSS bop TSSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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