Guest tentwins Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 We all know that all the good things are corrupted by the money, sooner or later. Most music that started underground slowly became part of the mainstream and there is always someone trying to look for profit on a grand scale. Will the psychedelic scene become commercial?? I Imagine a festival sponsored by MTV.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike D Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 I do not think so. I mean, even acid and detroit type techno isn;t really played on MTV and it seems to be a lot more popular than Psy. Also, Psytrance scares alot of people I think because it is just so full on. In a way I find it is like Metal or Industrial, taking the good things and amikg them better, but people tend to be afraid because it crosses so many lines. I don't think the names of groups and labels would go down with MTV, like Psychadelic Trance or Infected Mushroom and Hallucinogen or M.D.M.A Records. I think we can be pretty sure that psy will never be commercial in an MTV sense, but I do think it would be nice to open it up a bit more to the other fans of the electroninc genre` in a respectful way. I see noone ever complaining to much about Goa Gil playing the Love Parade at least twice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vasyachkin Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 no it will not, i don't think there's much to discuss here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FinnHawk Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Psy is still relatively unknown and underground in most of North America... No worry about it becoming commercial any time soon, if ever. Personally, I don't think it ever will... At least not in the USA. Maybe in some other parts of the world... Europe, Israel, Australia... Sal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike D Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 There is a difference between a scene being popular and being commercial you know?? And Vas, I think there is something to discuss here so if you can't say anything useful then don't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vasyachkin Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 "There is a difference between a scene being popular and being commercial you know??" but its a very small one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike D Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 ok, but if the scene has more pople coming, more producers, more labels and more money it is good. The thing is on producers and labels to keep it in control, to stop it from becoming a big circus. It just don't thinmk the scene can progress well at allif we keep it in seclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest overfiend Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 i want to say it never will. but than agian little white fluffy clouds was used for the vw beatle commercial, and that makes me wonder. though even if it does the underground is always a couple steps ahead and funner, that and the ultamte plan to currupt corperate american with subliminal messages of sex, drugs and other fun stuff worked. though i don't think psy is as esily sold as say a chemical brothers track, ohh if i ever saw chemical brothers id pee on there equipment for sucking so much! but anyway im sure some day we'll see yahel drinking pepsi in ibeza on mtv, unless it already happend. don't take any guff from these swine! too much coffee i'll quit rambling now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 psytrance will not. Electric integration into other types of music is starting to take hold, though. and i LIKE IT! -=- Matt/Strumpling -=- everybody's getting shpongled?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 And I agree with Vas on this one, too - it's a very "fuzzy" line between the two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Afghanfan Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 wow Mike D, your making sense here ... and tonight we'd like to end of our broadcast with a little Infected Mushroom on Hallucinogen - here is LSD released by M.D.M.A records. Enjoy and good night. Peace in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fry Brain Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Guys, I don't know about where you live. But unfortunatly I have a really strong guess that psytrance will get commercial... It's very tricky to explain my point of view. But I'll try. To start, I'd like to say that is not the music that is going to be commercial, because there is always going to be artist doing good music for us. It's the scene that is going to be commercial. Like the so called 'RAVES'. I say that because I experienced this. When I first started to go to psy parties (and I that was not too long ago), I was amazed. The people there were one of a kind, and the vibrations were awsome. Once I was going to a party and with a friend(it was his first time), and I said to him. "Man, listen to what i'm talking to you, I know that this, in a few months is going to be different, the people is going to change, the production is going to be bigger, and its going to start to make this worst" 3 months after that day I was talking to him on the phone and he said to me that what i've told him had become true. At that time I didn't even remember that we had that conversation before, but we started analysing the scene and it had completely changed, there were lots of playboys at the parties, mega productions, fancy flyers.... I mean... it has not changed completelly, there were still good parties around, but the big ones, with good dj's and everything were totally commercial. And than the magazines and newspaper started talking about the parties and all. Now, here, we are a step away from a midia boom. But I think it's not going to be commercial at MTV scale. Anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fry Brain Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 I saw this at another post.... Thats what im tlaking about. The scene is getting like this little by little I didn't think there were "unwanted people" until they started coming to the parties. Guys who are looking for fights, chicks who spend a day in the restrooms adjusting their makeup or doing C, making my girlfriend wait hours just to take a pee. People who can't handle their stuff and are puking or being assholes. People who scream constantly because they're tripping so hard. People who steal stuff. People who push other people out of their way. We didn't have any of that crap until psy became popular. The "chacales" or "nacos" (people that dont pay for their ticket and want to enter free to the party using the force of a hundred more nacos just to steal things or get high and doesn`t care for the music) They are like parasites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest etherdesign Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 It's what the rave scene went through 6+ years ago.. loud pumping music + known drug use at parties = eventual decline due to people who don't give a rip what the scene is about, or one-sided media coverage about how everyone who goes to raves is either a dealer or a user .. (and don't get me wrong, responsible drug use at parties I have nothing against).. it's nothing new.. it's a music scene that is rather innocent at it's core, but can be taken wrong by anyone.. Just look at the 60's music scene.. free peaceful concert in San Francisco, Rolling Stones and many other great bands play.. Hell's Angels.. who also love the music (but hate alot of other things) are hired (obviously erroneously), for security.. Several people wind up in intensive care, one dead.. In the best of intentions the worst happens sometimes.. It is not looking particularly good for any scene.. I mean, a drug-free scene such as straightedge punk or ska, and you have some neo-nazis.. There are adversaries everywhere in life.. as much to many dismays.. there are some parties that are great and some spoiled by assholes.. make the most of any party and the most of your life.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Krelm Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Heh....I've seen this question asked a million times for years and it has yet to become commercial. So I think I'm going to have to stick with a firm "no". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Depends what country you're in. In Japan, I think in a year or so, it'll be normal commercial. In America, probably never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asshopper Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 yup, its super commercial in Japan.. its some kind of fasion that young kids want to be part of it... and too bad, a lot of parties are managed by gansters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pranaspace Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 yAkUZaaaa !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sudh1r Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 yeah psytrance will become commercial and soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Why do people think commercial is such a bad thing? - Don't be so damn scared of more people entering this scene! Well anyway it's allready commercial... Just take a look at countries like Israel, Greece and Denmark ect. Here and there the music is played on the national radiostations, in almost every clothes shop, in resturants and it's more popular amoung the youth than Rock'n'Rool, R&B and commercial pop! - When artists start to appear and get interviewed in major TV-shows and newspapers/magazines then I will claim that they and their music has becomed mainstream = commercial. For crist I have been to house clubs in Greece, Italy. Spain ect. and here my music (Sheyba "Trance Africa Express") and other "goa" artists music was played and I don't think that people in our "little" scene will categorise my music as "commercial" - So to make a long story short - yes our scene is indeed getting more and more commercial and there's nothing that you can say or do to make it different! - it's the natural developement! I am aware that many people in USA and Canada do not yet see their scenes as commercial - and yes you are right - sofar - but in most other countries (Asia and Europe) where the scene has been going on much longer - it's for sure commercial and expanding every day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Children Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Well I really don't think it will become commercial in the "MTV" sense, but for sure therea re more & more parties & new artists / labels. Anyway, the music itself is much too "strange" to be mainstreamed, and the drugs thing around it (as well as labels / groups names related to drugs) will preserve it to go mainstream. So I think it will be more & more known, but I really don't think it will die as lots of commercial styles did ... will evolve for sure (diversify I think & become more dancefloor oriented, it already started last year after the 1999-2000 very minimal period particularly in comps), but the main characteristics typical to psytrance will remain ... maybe the overall production won't be as good along the years, but I'm sure most of it will still be nice and not censored by a big label asking for "what people want to hear" instead of "what you want people to hear". The global current music certainly evolved due to "commercial" demands anyway, becoming much more dancefloor oriented, probably to make more people come in parties (For example : most of 3D Vision stuff). The parties spirit might change a lot and become more "drug-oriented" than "music-oriented" in few years anyway ... depends on the country where you live as it has been mentioned. I think there are less people going to parties who really know the psytrance scene (I mean albums/compils/EPs etc) than before ... more & more bad guys come to these parties, Mars could say it as well, he has been stolen some personal things few months ago, and that didn't happen to him before, which well shows things change a bit ... in France at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest russ Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 I am afraid that almost everyone above is wrong, except for Elysium Project. Where I live, Japan, this is not a future tense question. It is a past fact. The parties and music and scene here are commercial in every sense of the word. Trance is one of the most commercial genres around actually. Is it possible here to have 10,000 people at a single main stage outdoor house party? or techno party? or even rock? (fujirock has numerous stages) but you can for psytrance. the parties here are sponsored by heineken, coleman, coke, and countless other clothes stores and radio and tv programs. the music has even been co-opted by one of those manufactured imbecilic idols, Ayumi Hamasaki. imagine a stupid version of Britney releasing a 3D Vision rmx album, and you get a good picture of the japanese scene. it's a done deal here in Japan. and in my mind, it sucks. nothing, absolutely nothing i have experienced, is more disgusting than watching some beautiful become something foul. EP asks what is there to be afraid of? I don't even know how to begin. Of course, on one level, it's fantastic that artists like X-Dream, Hallucinogen, and KoxBox are recognized as the equal to anyone else in the musical world period. And this is how it should be. And artists are still not getting rich for their hard work. So it's fantastic that the big parties attract a lot more people who can then buy cd's at Tower Records. And it's fantastic that more and more people are getting exposed to this wicked kind of music. And to be honest, commercialization is right in almost every way. But to me, at the ground level, at the level of the parties, it's heart wrenchingly sad. I have seen events that can only be described as meaningful, spiritual experiences transformed into vehicles simply for the making of money. Sincerity is gone. Unity is gone. Meaning is gone. I could be mercilessly attacked for this stance, and I would fully understand why, but I have to say this: killing something special out of greed, ignorance, and lack of imagination is the natural fate for every artistic movement (be it an event like Glastonbury or a genre like trance or a company like Turbosound), but that doesn't make it any less sad. but on the bright side of things, when things go overground, there is room created for the underground. to give two related examples, trance filled the vacuum left by the commercialization of rock and the hippy movement, and Tony Andrews formed Funktion-One in the wake of the killing of Turbosound. In other words, the reading of the requiem for one dream signals the time to dream another. If you're out here, and you're tired of corporate sponsors, yakuza mafia goons, and children screaming out of their minds on drugs, I invite you to my next party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JanUa Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 i don't mind it getting comercial (i do but not if ) they choose the friendly lifestyle that comes with this great music ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mijis Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 All that depends of the great djs playing psychedellic in their sets , for example i heard that sasha is playing some infected M in his sets . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psychodelic Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 I believe psy/goa will become mainstream in the next 5 yrs. Why? Because the music, if spun/made properly, makes people want to do drugs...I have spun psy/goa at mainstream parties and people seem to go off harder to it then more mainstream sounds. Maybe because its not heard as much. I think it is because the sounds, baselines, etc are more intense and if played correctly it plays with people's emtions and their subconscious. For those that live in North America, look at the mainstream parties, with big supa star djs, and you will start seeing djs who have psy and trippy next to their names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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