Guest bugbread Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 As I discussed in a separate post , psychedelic trance has split up into two basically different entities, with a lot of stuff in-between. If we try to describe every single variation separately, we end up in name-overkill land (Nitzohonot, melodic, full-on, morning, minimal, dark, etc.). However, I think most people can recognize that this is a continuum from one end to the other. I'm wondering if people can suggest possible genre names for the two halves of the psy spectrum. I know there are exceptions, and I know that for example Infected Mushroom is very different from Jorg. However, for the most part, we can agree that IM and Jorg are more similar than IM and Midimilliz. So I'd like to know what ideas you have for a genre title for the type of psy THAT YOU LIKE. Please, I DON'T want this to be a flameground for people to make up clever insults for the type of psy that you DON'T like. Let other people define the music that they like. Anyway, from my position, I favor "Maximal" for stuff like Hallucinogen, Infected, etc. Note, also, that picking a name that sounds positive shouldn't be construed as an insult to the other side. For example, if someone says that Iboga stuff should be called "Deep", that doesn't mean that melodic stuff is therefore "shallow", any more than the fact that Aphex is called "Intelligent Dance Music" implies that Shpongle is "Dumb-Ass Dance Music". The two terms don't have to be opposites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeto Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 My take on it is that theres sub genre's of "Trance" Mainstream...Club... Commercial... Paul Van Dyk.. ATB.. BT.. Paul Oakenfold Then there is Full On/IsraeluMelodic GMs.. Talamasca.. Infected Mushroom.. PsySex...Cosma Then there Tech/Trance... Paps..Yumade... Tripiatrik...SBK...Shiva Chandra Then we have Goatrance,,, Transwave, Miranda, Pleidians, Also Progressive Psy.. Prisoners Of The Sun... Minimal/Progressive... new etnica stuff..most new releases... Psy/Maximal... Logic Bomb Im not sure... the possibilities are endles.. most artists combine diffrent forms and explores all areas.. which I find very innovative specially Simon Posford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 Very true, but for managability sake, would it be possible to combine some of those subcategories into bigger categories? First, since we're basically looking at categories of psy-trance, not trance overall, I think we can disregard Paul van Dyk, etc. Second, it seems that Full-On and Goa could be grouped together. Also, Tech/Trance and Minimal/Prog could be combined. After all, there are very few arguments between people who like Infected and Pleadians, or Paps and new Etnica I guess my point wasn't "what are all the specific subgenres of psy", but, "since there seem to be constant conflicts between minimal and non-minimal, it's time we recognized them as two separate but related entities. If this is so, what should we call them?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vasyachkin Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 i think its not a line, its a plane. you have on x-axis minimal to melodic and on y-axis cheesy to dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mogwai Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 vasyachkin descibed it perfectly except... i don't think the y-axis can be cheese and dark because they're disimilar things. Maybe Light and Dark or Fluffy and Fullbodied. Just because i personally think things can be light and uplifting without necessarily being cheesy (eg Sphongle, Movers and Groovers etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lÿsërgïç Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 i thought we already did?? minimal and melodic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 Ok...not to be an a--hole or anything, but could we continue that in another thread? I don't want this one to wander too far off target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 Well, yes and no. If you say "I listen to minimal" to your random techno expert, they will assume you mean Richie Hawtin. If you say you listen to melodic, they will have no idea what you mean, or perhaps assume you mean Tiesto. That's because those are not genres in themselves, they are descriptors within a genre. That's why I like the term "psy-tech": it is a unique descriptor for the genre, and there is no "psy-tech" in any other genre to be confused with. I guess what I'm asking for is a genre title that can be used by itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spacemonkey - 604 Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 goa trance and psychedelic techno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dreampod Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 The words I use to make clear what I mean when talking about new music to friends, is: Goa-Trance (fluffy, max, fullon, dark, nitch) Progressive ( min, psy-tech, most german stuff) and everything i can't fit into one of these i cal Psychedelic, wich i know is the international full-covering term, but then what do you call Paps, the french stompin wave, real dark stompin goa, or melodical progressive? When an artist mostly uses the up-and-down-going spiral melodie-structures, and the chills you get come from the use of that crazy melody-twitching, I call it Goa, When the artist focuses more on the use of beats, high-heads, claps, rithmical structures, to create a hypnotizing Trance more focused on Bass, I call it Progressive All artists that like use both ways are psychedelic, but please don't get angry if you think i'm wrong, the only reason why i define it that way, is cause i want friends to know what i mean when they ask what certain groups sounds like, and this way it seems to work with me Love & Light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stale Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 How can we do that when the artists them self can not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michail from Lugansk Posted April 1, 2002 Share Posted April 1, 2002 Don't divide psy-trance to genres. It is a PSYCHEDELIC music. Don't look to track from technical side. Look to track from spiritual side. Michail (Lugansk,Ukraine) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Full Lotus Posted April 1, 2002 Share Posted April 1, 2002 Psychedelic Dance Music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ibotenic Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 Well, I have these: Roasted: 3d Vision, etc. Fairly grim pumping: Everything that sounds unhappy and minimal Evil pumping: Skazi, Deviant Species, etc. Mystical: This doesn't respect minimal/maximal boundaries (Darshan, Son Kite, Ololiuqui, maybe Cosma) Night psy has three categories: mid-twilight (example:The Antidote), twilight:(Alienated) and completely dark (mostly the Swedish forest scene) Breaks/tribal: this is easy! Grooving: This is a bit more vague, but Ticon, Bandit, Quirk.. Traditional: Old skewl + the likes of Dimension 5, Ra, Fractal Glider Morning: Feuerhake, etc. Weird: Mainly the Oztrayliens Also, the name of a country can be associated with a genre. And Finnish psy is a separate category (although it's not uniform either!="??). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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