Guest Mike D Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Ok, I know most dj's like to play the latest stuf in their sets, and it is kinda getting a bit boring. I would love to go to a party where at leats one dj played a set of some of the most pumping old school! After a while every set sounds the same now, they all play either the latest progressive/minimal from europe or clubb full on shite from Israel! C'mon, somebody play an interesting set! Or is the crowd so pathetic they would give a dj crap if he got up and played a set of early to late '90's Goa?? I knwo I'd go home for once being damn hapyy instead of just ho-hum that was goog, not great! What do you people think? Would you pay to go to a aprty knowing it was only gonna be the old melodic weirdo stuff and none of the modern full on/progressive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 i like the newest stuff ... much more groovy , trance state of the mind providing ... and i don't do drugs anymore so i realy can't stand to much acidgoatrance ... e few weeks ago i went to a oldschool party and what did they play ??? nitzhonot and other rebirth crap at +/- 150 bpm ... way to fast imo once again ... i realy like dancing and shaking on the progressive psytrance tunes ... and i'm certainly not bored with it ... we've got the psy techtrance , minimal dark psytrance , progressive morningtrance and more house influenced psytrance ... what more do you want ... ok, once in a while i would like to do a retro goa party but not every weekend please ... that would be boring ... Mike D , you're statements are so confused imo ... i mean , first you like the progressive sounds , now you think they're boring ... then you say you dig MOS and Ticon ... and then you sell some minimal masterpieces using this forum ... i don't get you ... did you just wake up ? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike D Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Um, no I do like the new stuff, but no where near as much as the old. How hard is it to get? The newer stuff has alot more going for it in terms of production, sound quality, but the old stuff has alot more emotion and feeling to it. I fin the older stuff say 1990-1998 to be a lot more "artistic" whils the newer stuff is much better quality, but not as artisitc, I mean every track on the Absolum album which I have had for a week and listened to many times on stereo and headphones, sounds almost identiacl, same bass beat, same bassline and same scratchy distorted effects. There isn't much melody to it, there is no real flow, itis just get up, stomp for 7-8 minutes and end. There is no real begginging, middle and end, no real story. I do like both but much refer the older stuff, and wish they had at least one dj who'd play it at the big gigs, the new stuff realy gets to me after about 2-3hours of it going nonstop, I need a break, yet when stuff that is nice and melodic, even Space Tribe, I can listen and dance for the hwole night nonstop. I am starting to agree that the music coming out now is getting very much closer to the tech side, and less to the trance side. it shoud be called TECHtrance to emphaisze where it's at, or how about Israely stuff called HOUSEtrance?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ritual om Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 i would surely pay and go to a party with old golden era goa floor pumping stompers. hehe honestly i miss those days i'm getting bored of the new sound except of some tunes especially minimal is quite monotonous and boring the feeling is so absent nowadays the fucking technocrats took it(i LOOOOOVE depth of emotion} i can't write any more cause i have to leave the bottomline is that goa trance parties are so magical and beloved from me BUT i doubt if newcomers in the psytech scene,as u succesfully put it,would like them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kristian Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Exactly my words ritual om! Old school Goa has the spirit and I would prefer such parties above all! Just as you said Mike D, nowadays trance has no real beginning, middle and end, NO STORY. For me trance is about "telling a story". This stuff really expands your mind, starting with some calm hopefilling start, increasing into major twisted-full-as-majhem, KICKING! All along thoose filtersounds sweeping up & down for you to follow. For me sure as hell more energetic, building, building, lovely! Wonder when the world will turn about and atleast have 50%/50% oldschoolsound/"modern"trancesound. Instead of today 10%/90%.. Maybe thoose oldschoolerartists has to wake up and lead the way (Pleiadians, Hallucinogen, MFG, Cosmosis). Most of them haven't released anything since -97! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ritual om Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 i hope your album will stand the perspectives u just mentioned kristian!!!!!!!!! can't wait for it well done for the 'keep it cool"production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kristian Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Actually there are only a couple of tracks finished yet, and I don't have the time right now, maybe in the summer. Have you heard the previews already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 ah man , another one of those endless discussions .... now I just woke up :-) i mean , you guys saying there are no stories in minimal psytrance ... well , i recommend you to listen to Shiva Chandra - Gecko album ... the problem with you guys is you don't accept change ... well me in person I WANT change ... and there IS change . the main reason why i don't like dancing on full-on and oldschool is because the track rhythem of the bassline stops several time (way to much) during that track ... i like dancing on the repetitive tribal (back to the roots .. he he) groove ... and that's for me the ultimate trance provider ... i like the subtle djemboree structures on the amazing kickbass ... i must admit that the trance released nowadays from israel is VERY lame compared with he much deeper german and scandosounds... now on the other side the UK scene with the house influences does it for me big time ... just listen to the Kamaflage compilation ... (you guys say no emotions anymore ? well i suggest you to listen to Bill & Seb - into the light) and you guys keep on bitching about the fuckin' technocrats entered the scene and ruined everything ... well in my country the commercial trance / dance scene is very close to the goa sound nowadays , very chaotic and an overuse of 303 sounds ... then i say to myself , hare Krishna we have minimalistic psytrance ... and melodies ARE present in progressive psytrance but lots of guys do not pay attention to them (they want it to flash in there face) ... for example (Vibrations 4 compilation , the track sentenza by Tegma !!!! , also try timesteps by Filur ... etc) bla bla bla , yaddi yaddi ya ... at least i can try to share the joy i experience with the minimalistic psytrance because i think this music is a lot more to offer then you expect ... and NO , the progressive sound has nothing to do with pure Techno ... i get a headache while listening to pure lame techno ... once again , this is endless but i realy want this to stop ... but imo it will stop ... nowadays almost no full-on released ... so maybe the full-on diggers will keep on going to retro parties , OR they might discover the ffffflashness of eurotrance ... he he ... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lÿsërgïç Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 what is the point of this topic? i mean seriously... its just more minimal bashing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kristian Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Well, if you say we dislike certain trance and should stop the "bashing" (which I wouldn't call it to be, but discussing). Then why don't YOU stop bashing this topic by not writing anything here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psyn Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 I would really love to hear a 50 - 50 set.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Kristian ??????????????????????????????????????? geeeeeeezzzzzzz....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [tom jaimz] Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 I'm curious about all you people who want the Old Sound back. How long have you been going to parties? How often have you been going to parties? Were you going to parties back when the old full-on, 303-heavy sound was being caned? I really get the feeling a lot of your guys have jumped on board the train when it's already long past most the stations, and you're asking for it to turn around again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 nono Tom... I am going to parties already for 4-5 years, and the minimal wave only started here 2 years ago... And I also want the train to turn back!! (at least a PART of the train, let it split!) The tech-trance has nothing more to do with GOA-Trance, and I think I am stuck in that good old melodic sound!! I can't stand 2 hours of music without any melody, ONLY sounds... So my point is once again, don't try to convert eachother... just go to the parties you like!! Ps to Setsuko: -Club Trance is not even close to Goa-Trance of years ago!! -There are more & more non-minimal (full on)releases again, and that is because the command is still there!! ;-)) -Sometimes minimal is véry close to Techno, the latest Delta album or Source Unknown!! Aorta have played tracks of them on regular techno-events!! Bom! Anoebis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kristian Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 I discovered trance -94, my first records were: Man with no name - Moment of truth (way too cheesy/simple for my taste today, but golden thoose days) and Transwave - Helium... I attended parties -97... And agree of all above mentioned by Anoebis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Avneesh Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 I would disagree with statements saying the stuff comin out of israel is rubbish..don't tell me alien project is rubbish..thats amazing..how about atomic pulse, astrix, and so on..and isn't safi connection israeli too?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 old school is the best, i dont see how the classic sounds are ever going to be bettered... it isnt a matter of production levels or mastering, its about feeling and vibe. the new stuff mostly dont have that... my own problem is that i can't remember a time when there were goa parties in this town that did have much of the old school goa sound... so i've not had enough - i'm not sick of it one bit! last night i sat around the house and played the first 3 dragonfly compilations in consecutive order... definatly some golden oldies there! but the music is timeless, at least for some of us! if throwing parties were a bit easier i'd probably get involved in another one... last year we had the goal of throwing a small party with ALL classic old goa and such and it worked! all night long we heard mwnn, pleiadians, jaia, cosmosis, some old infected, ux, and other goodies... to finish off the night we heard some great classic trance from the early time unlimited days and such.. it really worked out well for the few fans of the old out there! but alas... tons of work it is, and there really isnt TOO much interest... but i'll continue to play my old records out... so it'll never die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 well ofcourse thye old school sound is timeless ... but so is the newer psytrance... why is it always the oldschool lovers that keep on bitchin' about the progressive sound ... what's wrong with you guys ... do you see on the reviewsection for example any posts where a minimal digger bitches about the melodic full-on on ... no no no !!! please guys show some respect and stop the NONSENSE please ... i realy get fed up with this mentality ... btw Joske ... i'm not a real fanatic of the latest delta and certainly not of Source Unknow (which is pure crap imo) ... and a few months ago didn't you play some melodic bonzaitrance at a party .. i mean , when do you make borders ... i mean , please don't try to split the scene ... what you almost manage to do here in belgium ... and i like full-on too , so what section do i belong then ... i respect the things you're doing but sometimes i think you're making a mess of it , no offence Joske but all those prejudices are worth nothing... the scene should be accesible for EVERYONE ... we need fresh partyvibes in the scene because to many people i know can't stop bitchin' about the progressive sound , and have to much prejudices about newbies . they think their trippy music is the best and all the other stuff released is fake , lame and boring... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 ... it's just musical taste .. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 ... i'm wasting my time in here , and i realy don't want to convert you guys ... but all i want is some respect for eachother , musical taste ... etc... ah , it's saturday night ... time to go to kadafi for some more psy progressive xxx ... he he :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Honguito Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Well I don't like the trend of the dj's constant desire for getting the absolutely newest stuff. I have often got that kind of impression. It's like... The fresher stuff they play the more credits do they want because off the effort they had to put in finding the stuff.. Ahhggg, I don't know... But I do agree with you Mike that way to many dj's play too fuckin' progressive music. For me the old school music isn't that interesting neither, but what about a nice set of the good stuff from the last couple of years instead of just the hottest tracks. Atleast I would appreciate that much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike D Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Um, if you read my previouse statements, I never "bashed" minmal or preogressve, I clearly state I prefer the old school, read you stoopid tool hehe! Just joking. Look I never said there was bad stuff coming out either, I just said it wasn't as artistic ok? An I have been going to parties since I was 16 years old, 1996. So don't give me crap ok?? How long have you been going to parties for? You didn't answer either. We did not even argue a point! Not until the minimal lovers came in and got aggro! Maybe you should go listen to more old school and calm down huh? Geez! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Entare Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 How many of u guys would like to see a dj playing minimal just for the people to get used to the vibes (I'm talking about a one night spin) and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, slides to all the old school goa hits we liked to listen couple of years ago. I mean would people go bananas or what? I want ur opinions about this because I would maybe do this on a spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psyn Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 I started listen to goa in 96 but I was to young to go to a party... I first went to a party in 98 to 99. There where then several good partys. Then the scene in Greece splitted to progressive and cheesy israli-greek trance. Nothing good enough for me. None of these had the spirit... I just want more melodies. I get really tired when I hear all night progressive.. I want to hear mix sets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slidingtrancer Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 Every style has a place in a set I think. When you play a good set that builds up perfectly, you use some of every style to get to a climax. I do think oldschool is the absolute best for climaxing....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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