Guest bugbread Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 Setsuko: I'm not a fan of music bashing of any type, but I wanted to address a question you asked: "Why is it always the oldschool lovers that keep on bitchin' about the progressive sound?" It's because people who like oldschool and don't like progressive have lost something dear to them. Progressive folks don't have to complain, because they can go to any party any week and hear the music they like. Oldskool people used to be able to go out and hear their favorite tunes anytime, and now they can't. It's a crappy feeling to have, and I understand it well because I like chopped up jungle, and for me it's a good year if I can go to TWO parties over the whole year that play it. If clubs only played melodic and labels kept releasing mainly melodic, you can bet that the progressive lovers would be bitching just as much about oldschool. And please, PLEASE understand that not liking progressive does not necessarily have to do with "resisting change"! Finnish music is different from oldskool, and yet many of the oldskool lovers also like the Finnish sound. It's not that they are scared of change, but simply because They Don't Like Progressive Psy Music. I'm sure there are genres or artists that you don't like, Setsuko, so it should be easy to understand. People don't like stuff because Listening To It Does Not Cause Them Pleasure. That's the long and short of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 I understand Bugbread but why bitchin' about it , why not just DOING something about it and put all your creativity into some homemade tracks ... i mean , i fully understand you guys miss the oldschool feeling but imo the spirit is still present at progressive psytrance parties ... it's psychedelic music , and i just like to dance on the tribal grooves ... and this is just how things go , respect that and DO something about it if you realy want to see things change ... don't wait and bash all the time ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 Setsuko, you don't get it!! ((( I and many others don't LIKE progressive Trance. (sorry)! It's not because we don't accept change, I do accept that, but I simply don't like a steady beat for a whole night with only here and there a small melody and no climaxes at all! Just respect that! That's why I organise full on parties here, so the people that still like the old-school feeling can party as much as they want!! (and you know there are maybe even more old-school lovers here in belgium) You choose yourself if you wanne come or not! And I don't think the old-school spirit is present at Progressive Trance events!! I was during New Year at Aorta's 100% progressive party!! And I NEVER heard anyone scream, There was no fluoro-decoration, only disco-like lights, nobody ever throwed their hands in the air, no people were freaking out... Everybody was standing and dancing there like on I Love Techno or Kozzmozz parties. No offence, but understand that is not the way other people like you want to party!! And if you love both styles, great, just go to both kinda parties!! Bom Shankar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 ... sorry Joske , respect to your opinion ... and please , don't feel sad and disappoined because we have other opinions , it's just musical taste ... :-) you're wright about the progressive parties aorta organises ... the fact that there was no deco at all but the spirit was present imo , many people screamed , mainle because Peter Didjital rocked !!! ( i'm talking here about the progressive parties at kaaiman ) ... ofcourse some parties can't always be succesfull . i went to many Kozzmozz parties and I love techno events (before i discovered psytrance , how obvious .. :-) he he ) .. an the crowd DID scream almost every minute ... mainly because they were on drugs ... the druguse there was huge ! so the spirit at those technoevents was pretty a junkyspirit ... negative energy imo ... the problem now at our full-on parties is the mentality ... you have to wear fluoro to be accepted , dreadlock are very IN ... and they keep on bitching about the commercial progressive parties ... you know , at PLUR3 , i talked to a guy i know and he took a flyer of a party in the Silo (progressive) in his hands and just ripped the flyer in little pieces in front of me ... he said those progressive parties are for Johnnies and are pure commercial crap ... well , you should understand that such attitudes aren't realy friendly and PLUR imo ... and give me a strange and confused vision about our belgian scene ... as you know i just love dancing on psychedelic music (whether it is full-on or progressive-minimal) and i walways want to freak out completely ... but i feel pushed to choose a particular style of music i should dig and this feeling makes me disappointed in some kind of way cause of all the section that are made with music and lifestyle... well , i realy hope we can talk about this once in real life Joske because i sometimes got the intention that music taste will be once again :-( the reason of losing connection ... psychedelic greetings, your friend :-), Setsuko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Afghanfan Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 I'm gonna sample one of my post bean farts and turn it into a melodic minimal track. OH oh, Anoebis, just keep an open mind when listening to Atan's set that I sent you. Peace in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted April 15, 2002 Share Posted April 15, 2002 Setsuko, don't get me wrong, I think bitching about the changes is stupid and annoying as well. I mean, complaining to your friends is natural (like if your car gets stolen, you complain to your friends and they soothe your feelings). But complaining on a forum is just tactless, and complaining in the reviews is almost evil. I agree: if you want more melodic, throw a party (I'm trying to learn to DJ so that I can do just that). But some people can't afford the music costs or equipment to DJ, so I feel bad for them. Throwing a party is easy if you have some friends, some money, and some people who can DJ, but if you don't have any friends who can DJ it's pretty much impossible. Anyway, I guess I just wanted to say that I agree that complaining on the forum and bashing other genres is bad, but people's dislike of progressive is not based on fear of change. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KS Posted April 15, 2002 Share Posted April 15, 2002 setsuko, you are one confused human being... you relate politics to dancing, where you say.. people at full on have dreadlocks, fluoro is cool :-).... you saw someone ripping a progressive flyer? oh my god!!! the earth stopped moving man... dude i tore an astral projection flyer at a party.. dude just chill out and don't carry so many political issues with yourself.. we are listening to music and thats all.. listen to minimal / progressive / goa/ gabber i don't really care.... i much prefer the vibe at a goa party (please don't call it melodic / full on it sounds very fake, and a goa party doesn't just have 303's rolled on top of each other)... dude all i can say is, get a bit more exposed to the scene.. you live in europe, there are parties happening everywhere around you, go for a trip to paris and see a 3dv party.. and i am not a minimal basher or politician in any sense,,, i like both forms of music, in minimal though i am very picky son kite, antix, intact instinct, dimo, and other stuff in this style like mechanism, nordic sound like noma etc.. but i still prefer full on..... now that is my taste, you can't change it, i can't as well,, so lets hear some music and forget about the rest... dude maybe you need to go to india and coem back a more enlightened human being.. anywayz dude, peace... there is no malice in my post, i just had to express my feelings after observing your thought patterns,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 15, 2002 Share Posted April 15, 2002 dude ? :-) well , where did i refer to a political statement KS ? ofcourse it's just musical taste... but you certainly don't get my point and please stop putting my words in a context with a totally different meaning ... some statements are a bit childish i know but that's what i think of some people their attitude ... their prejudices are poitnless ... i know , i'm confused about the PLUR feeling in our scene ... indeed , and ofcourse i shouldn't care but WHY oh why do they keep on starting bashing topics in here ... i mean , how long will this ridiculous war be a weekly subject in this forum / in my real life ... this has NOTHING to do with politics !? :-) but i can't ignore giving back my opinion when people start this subject over and over again .. respect , that's all i want ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KS Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 well Setsuko atleast you have a good heart.,, :-)... your reply was good, no malice, i must say i am truly impressed,.... well for me most people at a goa party are friendly been around in the scene, and as a result way more hardcore... actually forget the people, all i need is some good psy trance and my body to dance... forget everyone, just enjoy the music and smile. about the politics thingie, the fact that you make a distinction i.e. goa people wer fluoro etc., that is a political statement. You might not realize it, but it definitely is political.... anyway man, take it easy anddon't care what others think etc.. for example i like my goa, you prolly seem to like progressive, but to me that ain't important, whats more important is you are a tolerant human being.... :-).. so at the end of the day the rest is all incidental cheers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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