Guest lurk Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 Why should one label not doing artwork matter ? The whole point of Schlab is that it is the antithesis of your flying rhinos and your twisteds, from the attitude behind it, to the music... covering the artwork, or in this case the lack of it, as well. Agreed, if every label released music with no artwork then it would be incredibly dull, but this is Schlab, and its identity... at the risk of sounding like a hippy it is the ying to flying rhino's yang. There, I've said it, and now i sound like a feckin' hippy ;o)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 .. agree again ;-) but it's the lack of creativity that should be present and unforunately in tis case it's the lack of money ... and that's the attitude i realy don't get .. why releasing those series and realy want to release more of them but there's no profit ??? i mean , if i would start up a project like this i would wait until i have enough money saved to complete it with care ... okay thy have their own visions of how starting up a lavel and dreams for the future but in this case things went to fast and many things went wrong ... et viola... they complain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stompie Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 hey, i thought this was a discussion about Ka-Sol - i dont have any of their music but it sure brewed up a fuss here - "too heavy, too scary, too psychedelic, too weird and wont release it!" - sounds like a group i know called "damage" - south african by the way - they are'nt 'commercial' enough for most labels, so it's the small ones that put them out. Their music is great and it needs to get to more people - but hey, it just "wont sell enough" is the usual comment (along with the others mentioned about Ka-Sol) - it kind of a catch 22 - unfortunate really - i just think u guys should slow down on your verbal assaults - you both have valid points, but you seem to be missing each others pionts all together. Maybe a little compromise on each others behalf would come up with a Schlab album that getts higher sales, but still manages to maintain the punky (and evidently - don't give a @!#$ image) - Schlab has the ideal oppourtunity to spead their particular (different) trance brand across the globe - branding is a very powerful marketing tool, especially if u can communicate the paricular message that that brand is trying to convey to the right target audience - theyre out there, and they WILL buy your cd - as long as they can identify with what Schlab is about, and have got access to it - you would probably find that with better distribution in place, and more active marketing - it need not be expensive - then the Ka-Sol album will be a hit. You don't have to sacrifice your image - use it too your advantage, the market is there. i read all the time about people complaining about the same old minimal crap - well they're the ones who need to know its on its way - and dont let them just wait to get it off audiogalaxy - get it to somewhere that they can buy it - make them want to buy it even if they can copy it - if they really feel the way they do then they will support the artists (and the label) that gets the music too them. you cant just hope it will sell - unforunately there are two sides to this trance world - the one we all want to be in, and the one that we all unfortunateley have to deal with to make our crazy little existence tick along... sometimes some things just have to be done... by the way, where can i buy Schlab 4 ? keep the peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chong Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 interesting debate I have bought all the Schlab CDs since the 1st (except 4) - I've been into the BOTFB & Ka-Sol since they first started releasing their material. I know what Setsuko is trying to say and he's right in a way - i think the majority of people do buy their CDs based on packaging and marketing - thats the world we live in (unfortunately). Why i didnt buy the 4th comp is bcoz its all a bit too heavy for me at this stage - my music tastes have sort of shifted and i dont find myself listening to that "full-on" stuff anymore. I think im gettin old. Also D-Dave I dont think it helps referring to music u r not into as "boring minimal progressive shite" - that doesnt sit too well. I enjoy supporting people like D-Dave tho, as his music is his passion and he has always released quality material for the love of music. After this discussion i think i will order the 4th comp and see how it goes. I would also like to see a Ka-Sol album released in the future - whether it has 1, 3 or 70 colour cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D-Dave Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 "why releasing those series and realy want to release more of them but there's no profit ???" You saying I should not release any music cause there is no profit in it Setsuko? Why does one do anything even if there is no profit? Hm...... I think you were the one starting the complaints. I have one complaint and that is that people like you download the music instead of ordering it, which is a completely valid complaint for any label. OK you wouldnt have bought it anyway, except perhaps Schlab 2 if you had the money. Fine. "a psytrance cd without a cover is like a psytrance party without decorations or freaky location..." We make parties in the forest without decorations. The forest is a decoration in itself. (We sometimes us lights to light up the forest tho, looks really cool.) "when you trip , you see things different , you enjoy the music different " Yes. A party without decorations is different, a CD without a fractal cover is different, at least in this business. Thanks Stompie, many useful thoughts there. I find it weird though that the other compilations sold well but Schlab 4 did not. Schlab 4 was on Audiogalaxy a few weeks after the release, it might be that you know. The Schlab site is located at http://listen.to/Schlab You are right Chong, I shouldnt say that. Schlab 4 is not as heavy as Schlab 1 or 4, it is more like Schlab 2, in fact its a "dawn" compilation. Thats why its bluuuuueee.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lurk Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 "why releasing those series and realy want to release more of them but there's no profit ???" Setsuko, this is not what psytrance is all about. Me & some friends put on parties here in Amsterdam, someone asked me at the last one how much money we were making out of them, when I said none (we have made a loss at all of them), the guy was really shocked. I explained to him that it was something we did as a very enjoyable hobby, and to put something back into the scene that we love and take so much pleasure out of. This is the same principle that most promoters have, if everyone stuck to the principle above, there would hardly be any parties. The same goes for most labels as well, if every label stuck to this as well, the scene wouldn't be nearly so rich as it is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Setsuko Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 ...no no no no ... i was was refering to the fact that they need somehow profit to invest a next schlab project ... now in this case there isn't enough profit and D-Dave started complaining ... i just gave him my opinion that next time he would better finish this project a bit more professional so he would have profit to release another schlabb .. is that so hard to understand ... ofcourse in the psytrance scene it isn't about profit but FACE THE REALITY ... how are you gonna make a living at of it if you do not want profit ???? I said decorations OR freaky locations ... you just repeated what i said ... I just wanted to give you perspectives ... that's all .. and do not start to insult me of not buying music and downloading all the time ... you see, i'm now at a point in my life i'm spending lots of money on cd's ... and i don't like the weirdo chaotic psytrance that much anymore so why should i buy something that i don't listen to anymore ... and stop bitchin' about the fractal covers ok ? i like to see decent graphics cover like for example the first compilation from a new label in New Zealand called Manta ... the One Point Perspective is just very well finished .. the music is awesome , very fresh ... very my taste and the cover is gorgeous ... no doubt their future projects will be as decent as this one ... ofcourse it's good for you taht you realy like your punk touch into your project but i just didn't like your words ok ? like "the Buddhas would have changed the psytrance world globally, not just locally. " ... blabla bla yaddi yaddi ya .. maybe you think it would be but you should understand that this attitude is pathetic... call it a punk attitude ... but i don't like it at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D-Dave Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 OK Setsuko change "would have" to "could have". Everything effects everything else, like rings on the water. One of the reasons Schlabbaduerst exists is that we have something unique here in Uppsala, just as there is unique music coming from other places. And people do want to hear it. Not all that many, but we have a few hard-core fans in almost every country. You got really hung up on that sentence didnt you? It was written together with the fact that a distribution company screwed us up pretty good, we lost 8000 USD. That would have made a big difference dont you think, you who like to talk about money so much. It would have meant more possibilities for us to make and release music = thus affect people. If you have a problem with that Im sorry, but it really is your problem alone. I dont think I have insulted you. Whats really close to an insult is the way you complain about the covers (which is an opinion so of course its fine), how its amateurish (also an opinion but not all that necessary), how we should wait until we could make something professional (meaning we shouldnt release anyting at all, not even exist) and YET you happily download the music. You take something thats not even yours to take and you have to guts to complain about it and say it shouldnt exist. How lame is that? And I havent even said the word "copyright". Oops now I did. I think it is you who is the pathetic one here. Anyway, to the others reading this thread. The reason we drifted away from the subject and into Schlabbaduerst is that Schlabbaduerst is right now your only chance to hear music from Ka-SoL. We released 10 or so tracks with Ka-SoL so far and I have approx 90 others! Perhaps Stone Age Records will have a Ka-SoL track on their next compilation, but its not certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PsiLoCyBe Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 Hey D-Dave ...and others ... Put it this way ... it would be nice to have artwork done ... But why give them slack about it - It's the way they (Schlab Rek) wish to be ... RESPECT that. There are actually artists (becoz that's what they are ... artists) out there who are into their art and not neccasarily marketing ... Now this is where Setsuko comes in stating the abvious ... invest in the project, sell more CD's, get more cash, do a new album (oh and while you at it ... up the cover art work) - or buy new gear, upgrade studio, blah blah blah ... My point of view - you both make sense ... A combinations of the two ... bank/family/shark loan & more effort with artwork (you don't have to give them a 'Twisted' sort of Profile - underground is still obtainable) & marketing .... Ka Sol will be reaching more people (that's what the art in their music is for, now isnt it ?) Am I just merely repeating ? Sorry ... As for you two getting personal ... no need. Both stubborn ... *shakes head* Ps : STOMPIE !!!! Waar vandaan kom jy maat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D-Dave Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 Breaking news. I just talked to Krister Ka-SoL and he had talked to Jonas and Jonas wants to release an album in the autumn. But Krister says Jonas says that everytime they speak so... We can only hope it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Majbjorn Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 1. Drop 500 mics 2. wait 30-40 minuter 3. Put slab cd in cdplayer 4. press play 5. look at slab cover and it will look verry professional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stompie Posted April 22, 2002 Share Posted April 22, 2002 ek kom van Kaapstad af - maar ek's nou in london waar vandaan kom jy psilocybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PsiLoCyBe Posted April 23, 2002 Share Posted April 23, 2002 Kaapsatd maat !! Ek is nou in Taiwan, Taipei city ... hehehe Ek sal in 2003 in London wees om te studeer ... Sound engineering by SAE Waar in Kaapstad is jy vandaan ? Sourthern subs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PsiLoCyBe Posted April 23, 2002 Share Posted April 23, 2002 D- Dave Well, I'm buying # 's 2, 3 & 4 ! When can I get a copy of # 1 ?? The order will go through tonight. Cheers - PsiLoCyBe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest D-Dave Posted April 23, 2002 Share Posted April 23, 2002 I will make more Schlab 1s soon! Hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PsiLoCyBe Posted April 23, 2002 Share Posted April 23, 2002 "Your order has been submitted to Kagi for processing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cyber Posted April 23, 2002 Share Posted April 23, 2002 Way to support the underground PsiloCybe! I can assure you, you will not be dissapointed if you like originality:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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