Infected Mushroom...all the recent hatred.

[Psychosis]

I am down right shocked at the IM hatred that is going around lately. This has bothered me so much that I have to make a topic about this and vent a little.

 

#1 People are claiming that IM are just in the music buisiness as of now, for the fame.

 

Since I live in the U.S. (the home of everything mainstream and crap) IM doesn't get a chance to come this way too often. I've flown accross my country to see their live shows on a couple of occasions. They are amazing entertainers first off. But the main point is they stay, as long as people want, after their shows to sign autographs and take pictures with anyone who wants one. They are VERY friendly, down to earth, and normal people who are very appreciative and thankful of where they are and have not even an ounce of conceitedness about them. I have had the distinct pleasure of meeting them every time I have seen a show. I have gone on stage, got items signed, and got a bunch of pictures with them. I even talked to them a little bit. People who are in it for the fame and money don't care about their fans the way IM does. So saying it's all gone to their head and that they think they are above all is total shit.

 

#2 Infected Mushroom is trying to get known on a mainstream scale by the use of accessable lyrics.

 

Ok...hmmm, since The Beatles GREAT music has had a reputation for having great hooks lyrically, either the vocals are simplistic and pleasing or complex. Either way they have the same effect and send the message that they want to send. The Beatles, Elvis, Aerosmith, Madonna...some of the GREATEST entertainers of all time have songs that are littered with catchy and accessable lyrics. Infected Mushroom is a group trying to break barriers and be experimental and forward thinking not like all of the GMS clones and TIP sound-alikes that have littered the scene HORRIBLY for a long long time now. Psy-Trance has turned from the glory days of Astral Projection and MFG to a bunch of music that is emotionless, undistinctive, and not very original. Very few artists in psy-trance now-a-days clearly stick out with a style that is so unique and patend that no one dare copy. Since "The Gathering" came out Infected has lead the way in originality. Classical Mushroom is still the most unique album out there and B.P. Empire reached depths of emotions that NO psy-trance artist has ever reached with the exception of Simon Posfords Shpongle project. With each album they stayed true to their defining ways of always being different not only from the rest of the scene but also from their selves. Each successive album is different from all the rest, having it's own unique sound. I haven't heard ONE psy-trance artist that is as diverse as IM. Back onto the topic of lyrics...Psy-Trance, as a genre is lyricless, where the only other sub genres within EDM that also have no singing lyrics are Techno and Drum & Bass. Infected once again took their inspirations as young musicians and tooka step forwards and made tracks like "Deeply Disturbed" , "Blink" , "I Wish" , "Converting Vegetarians" , "Cities Of The Future" ect. The lyrics may not be deep and pensive where you have to sit for hours figuring out what the hell is meant by them, but they are playful, weird, and accessable just like IM's music has always been...the lyrics are a natural progression of their sound and hasn't tainted it one bit.

 

#3 "IM The Supervisor" album is pure 100% crap...

 

This almost boggles my mind. The only track on this album that is worthless is "Noon" and I would much rather erase my memory of that song than anything else to be honest. I have listened to this album about 10 times already since receiving it yesterday and I have listened carefully to every bar, note, sound, twist, turn, melody, and lyric and have found no serious flaws that could make this album be considered crap. Yes it is so far left of what is out in the psy-scene now, but Infected's music has always been that way. Since Classical Mushroom IM's music has been so far away from any trends within the psy-trance community that they shouldn't even be put in the same genre as other psy-trance artists, because they are in a class of their own. The lyrics of the songs are simple and effective. Their is nothing wrong with them. Just because the lyrics are catchy and accessable that makes it cheesy? I could name 1,000 artists who have equally "cheesy" lyrics that are considered historical legends in the music world. Most people don't look at lyrics too deeply. They tend to take it for face value. They don't look at why they are there, what they do for the song, how they accompany the instruments and musical flow...there's so much to lyrics and vocals that most people just don't care and look at that. The sound fx in this album are so crisp and clean that they shine in ways other fx don't, they really take center stage. Infected has always had a high production value to their songs and all the elements within them. This album is clean, smooth, and innovational with all the sounds it has. One other thing that Infected really shines upon is their AMAZING and SUPERB percussion and basslines. They by far have some of the cleanest and professional sounding kicks, and some of the thickest and grooviest basslines out there. They don't always stick with the 4x4 beat like everyone and their mother does today...they overlap with drums, claps and plenty of other percussive elements that makes their percussion just as important as their melodies. And the melodies are 10x's better than those in any psy-act today, because they are unique, powerful and have great musical structure to them.

 

#4 IM has sold out by trying to appeal to the masses...

 

Infected has always done what they want to do and never do what is wanted of them. They have been very strong minded since their ever so humble beginnings. Duvdev was very into rock music and that whole scene before he was ever a psy-trance producer. Erez was always a fan of classical music and anything melodic and accessable. They both had major appreciation for artists within the word such as Madonna and other internationally known stars. From the VERY beginning of their careers they have expressed their desires to some day make tracks for Madonna, and other "mainstream" acts. They also had, especially Erez, a big dream of some day scoring a sound track to a major motion picture. They have dreams of being stars and making great music that hopefully people would love with them. They started with The Gathering and bloomed as artists in so many different directions ALWAYS trying to be ahead of the curve and not being repetitive. It's NO surprise that they would soon introduce lyrics into their music. Duvdev came from a rock background, of course he appreciates lyrics, and Erez has appreciation for vocal stars as well. Now they have even expressed to fans that for their 6th album they want to finally expand and try something more rock oriented and step away from the psy-trance light to follow other dreams that they had as young and new musicians. They have earned the right to expand and try what they want. Selling out is doing things for the masses, and they simply have grown to this point over the past 8 years. It's not like they are saying screw psy-trance lets do rock and make 1,000,000's of dollars! They opened up a studio in Israel this year for all people to come and use. They are pioneers in music and they have more respect for what they do than any big-headed rock/pop/rap stars. Selling out is something that Infected hasn't even come near.

 

 

**IN CONCLUSION**

 

Music is my life and it means everything to me. I am an intense fan of music in general and if I could have been a musician I would have, but those just weren't in the cards for me. I love almost every style of music out there...Metal, all forms of EDM, Industrial, Pop, 80's, Disco, Rap, R&B, Rock, Blues, Jazz, Classical. The only type of music I can't relate to is Country. A motto I live by is "everyone is entitled to their own opinion and not everyone is going to like what you like so get over it." Some people may read that motto and think "well then why the hell are you bitching, just let it fly" and my main reason being is that I am defending great music that is getting slaughtered by people. It's only been people who are so wrapped up within the psy-world ONLY that have seemingly been disgusted with this album. It seems that a lot of you don't have appreciation for music in general. No one here has explained IN DEPTH why they feel so distested towards IM that would make believe is a sane and rational thought and opinion. Theres opinions and then there is just plain banter that shouldn't be counted as anything meaningful. The ONLY psy-trance act that I have been able to get people interested in who aren't fans of EDM at all (and I mean AT ALL) has been Infected Mushroom. I have die hard metal, classical, country, pop, rap fans bowing down to IM's music because they have noticed how amazing and unique it is. People I would have never thought would even give IM the light of day has embraced them AT LEAST to simply appreciate their musical talent. IM's music is a breakthrough for psy-trance because it breaks barriers with every year and it still remains the most accessable music to fans of psy-trance and non fans of EDM period. They have created a space between genres since their beginning that no one else is in. Their music is so complex and thoughtout that it defines orginality and what an experimental mindset is. It's ONLY those people that don't try to understand music that fail to realize how great it is. It happens all the time and will always happen. Most people go for what appeals to them right away, they take things for face value and go with it because it's not challanging to grasp. IM's music has always been challanging to grasp as much as it's been accessable. Once you "get" their music only then do you go "wow, that's some intelligent stuff."

 

 

There is no real point for this...I won't change anyones opinions and that wasn't my intention in the first place. I could honestly care less if people hate IM at this point. It just aggrivates me to see people who just discard things so quickly. It seems like no one takes the time to look farther into things and find that "zen" moment in EACH style of music to finally go "I understand why this is appreciated by people" ... they don't have to like it or even become a fan, they just have to acknowledge the qualities that are imbeded within music.

 

Learn to understand rather than be stubbornly critical.

 

*PLUR*

[Insejn]

As all of you know this discussion is pointless, but still quite fun

 

How do you know how many times I listened to the album? I've listened atleast 10 times. Which seems to be your now-you-know-if-an-album-is-good-barrier. And I still think its pure crap. I very much respect their talent, you can clearly hear that in the album at some parts. But the way they present it is just awful. Let me not even get started on the lyrics. Actually, there is only one group that has caught my attentention with lyrics, and that is Queen. Anyway...I don't agree with much you said. Plastic is not good, nor is cheesy and "fluffy" either And about they being nice and give autographs doesn't really do it for me. I would rather have them be inpolite and releasing awesome music than having them sign CV and Supervisor discs

Sometimes I wish they had stopped making music after Classical so I didn't need to get dissapointed every time they release an album, which I have sadly have. I think its time for them to stop making psytrance (or whatever you call it) and release an ambient/chillout album (plz no freestyle either .

Anyway...It's about tastes. Now I'll go listen to any of the Timecode Records releases. That is good music! :-)

Solong!

[Towelie]

whats the point of someone writing his name on piece of paper or whatever ? and what does that has to do with music `?

[delars]

everything is relative

even in our little psycommunity

you see

for the 'mainstream' people who know all sorts of music from rock to rap to whatevveeeeeeer IM is far from mainstream, it's a new thing, so they still have to make up for themselves if they like it or not

and for the 'psy'-people, who, mostly, know nothing no more but psy/goatrance, IM IS getting commercial, simply because they are so used to psy that EVEN IM makes them think of mainstream music, witch is like ummm completely not true..

 

conclusion: people who think IM is getting mainstream are just plain spoiled, and should pose a question to themselves : 'what is mainstream'?

 

P.S.: I don't like the album as well, but i do know (or i think that i know) in what kind of world we live in

[Quark]

Really nice topic, with lots of arguments for Infected Mushroom, and Iam with you Psychosis, really nice topic, Iam touched.

[Naiman]

conclusion: people who think IM is getting mainstream are just plain spoiled, and should pose a question to themselves : 'what is mainstream'?

 

196450[/snapback]

 

True. But also people who still think IM is somehow very psy or underground should ask one question also for themselves: What is psychedelic?

 

As you said everything is subjective, so in an MTV world IM would not be commercial or cheesy, but this scene has it's roots in psychedelic and uncommercial attitude, so taking subjectivity into account IM is getting cheesy and sellout.

[Psychosis]

As you said everything is subjective, so in an MTV world IM would not be commercial or cheesy, but this scene has it's roots in psychedelic and uncommercial attitude, so taking subjectivity into account IM is getting cheesy and sellout.

196466[/snapback]

They aren't selling out. Selling out is when an artist makes a decision based purely on getting money. Infected hasn't done that. They have always had apiratiosn to move in the direction they have. They have always expressed in interviews their dreams and their ideas in music that they have wanted to try, and so they should be condemd (sp?) for stratching that itch??? They aren't selling out, they are merely developing as musicians...You just simply growing out of them instead of growing with them. When you hold onto vices and refuse not to budge and step away from the beaten path you become a prisoner of your own style. Infected has merely tried to keep growing and taking their music places they have always wanted and are ambitious enough to make these bold steps and stand proud of the music they release. That is not selling out.

 

Might I also add that mainstream music does also includes:

 

The Beatles

Jimmy Hendrix

Elvis

Aerosmith

Madonna

 

+ many more...

 

And so since they are "mainstream" that automatically makes their music crap because people embraced it and pushed it into the international realm? So how come mainstream has become a dirty word that is connoted with worthless. Yes there are tons of mainstream artists that are crap, but there are a handful of them who are geniouses...

[benf52]

well psychosis i'll have to disagree with u...

listen to that interview posted by filteria in the topic "what happened to inf.mushroom"... they clearly say that if they make a track and the crowd doesn't like it, they go back in the studio and change it or even not release it at all... that is called selling out in my book... selling out is when u release stuffs that people will like, compromising what u really like personnaly...it's not just about making money...

and about ur mainstream argument... well there is enough mainstream music outhere allready... and many people who listen psytrane don't like mainstream music.. that's why they get upset when groups that they used to like are desperetely trying to become mainstream, thereby compromising the quality of their music... granted, they always try to innovate and indeed they are geniouses, that is maybe why people get upset cause they have so much talent and imo they don't fully put it to use cause of their dream of MTV and fame...

and to finish i would say get over it when u read people complain about them... if u don't like it go check the infected mushroom website u will like it better for sure...

[Tatsu]

well psychosis i'll have to disagree with u...

listen to that interview posted by filteria in the topic "what happened to inf.mushroom"... they clearly say that if they make a track and the crowd doesn't like it, they go back in the studio and change it or even not release it at all... that is called selling out in my book... selling out is when u release stuffs that people will like, compromising what u really like personnaly...it's not just about making money...

and about ur mainstream argument... well there is enough mainstream music outhere allready... and many people who listen psytrane don't like mainstream music.. that's why they get upset when groups that they used to like are desperetely trying to become mainstream, thereby compromising the quality of their music... granted, they always try to innovate and indeed they are geniouses, that is maybe why people get upset cause they have so much talent and imo they don't fully put it to use cause of their dream of MTV and fame...

and to finish i would say get over it when u read people complain about them... if u don't like it go check the infected mushroom website u will like it better for sure...

196495[/snapback]

Well, the whole discussion is about taste, so people will never agree. But what the fuck is commercial about changing a track if peopel don't like it?! I mean IM play at psyparties, so it is clear if people don't like their sound, they know something have to change. And because IM listen to their audience they are commercial?! Is there any artist (the genre doesn't matter) outthere who doesn't listen to his/her audience? I mean people make music to give something to the people and if the people don't react, maybe they did something wrong. I mean if you are in a studio an listen to the same track you wrote yourself again and again, it is very hard (if not impossible) to stay absolutely objectiv. So it's clear a musician needs listeners to tell him what they like or dislike and to get new opinions. Just because the musican decides to change a track, does not mean he just does if for the money. But maybe het got new inputs and better ideas on a track. What's so bad about that one?

 

And about underground people beeing againt commercialism. Well, I do understand that, but just because something is so unknown and so underground and all doesn't mean it is automatically better. I mean psy isn't that undergournd anymore anyway. Here there are commercial trance/techno parties that have a psy-floor. So it is accesable for anyone. Maybe some people should accept the fact, that they are not so special just because they listen to that funky-cool underground psy-stuff nobody else knows.

[RTP]

I mean psy isn't that undergournd anymore anyway. Here there are commercial trance/techno parties that have a psy-floor. So it is accesable for anyone.

 

True words - unfortunately!

 

Soon we will have psytrance played on mega-events like Gatecrasher or Trance Energy or however those cocksucking moron trance events are called and all those shitheads will discover this divine sound. And not long after that even more Astrix clones will arise and conquer the market and the psy world will slowly drown in their sound...

 

For fucks sake, keep this stuff underground!

[Naiman]

I don't understand how someone can't have a problem if this music is getting mainstream or somekind of breakthrough so it will play in radios all over the world etc.. it can't do any good, only destroy.

 

True is that if IM would get big it wouldn't necessiraly mean they are selling out, everytime artists can't do anything about it and also some artists haven't even tried to appeal to masses.. but i still think IM these days don't do much of psy stuff, i don't know if they try still to hang on in psy or does the psy-scene still try to have them here. Maybe this was the last wannabee-psy album they did?

 

95% of fullon isn't even psy, It can work good in parties and and it has lot's of energy, but at home i don't find any elements to put me into trance. I don't automatically "hate" Fullon, there are many tracks i like, but i don't like that all the artists that used to have their unique and emotional tracks are all now jumping to the same boat. That's sell out imo. I can't find anyones soul in that reflecting to the music, only this badass beat with very good sound quality and different noises that don't stimulate me in any way.

[Psynoia]

Naiman I must agree with u.

 

Recently its been hard for me to find that kind of feeling in music. Few are the tracks that I found recently that can take me "up there". Some times I realize that artists just can´t insert that ambient, that feeling, that "thing" witch made me think " dam this shit is good" , and my brain started jumping inside my skull. But there is more and more dificult to find IMO. And relating what I just said to the new IM album, I can say that The gathering, Classical Mushroom amd b.p. Empire, had what CV and the supervisor dont have. On their first albuns tracks didnt needed any vocal samples to speack to my brain they just did it naturaly, after CV that stoped to happen and for me the vocal samples are pure crap. But one thing is for shure IM are genious, and have awesome quallity on their work but they lost that real Infected side we used to know and love.

 

I disagree with the ones that say the Supervisor album is evolution. All 4 previous albuns where completely diferent, yes there was an evolution. But if u pay any attention u see that may off the tracks prenset on Im the Supervisor album use lots of samples from the classical and Cv albuns. And I just hate when artists do that. So if IM are evolving why tha fuck they use some old samples. Inovate. Please dont become like the crapy shit Alien Project as turned in to in the past few years.

[Dez]

Psychadelic trance is by NO means mainstream imo, and just about anyone I talk to has not the slightest idea of what it is. How is Infected mushroom selling out when they have sold how many records? I heard something like 50000, which may be more or less, but it is still jack shit compared to 'mainstream' muisc. How are they, as quoted by a member, "lying on their heaps of money"? Now, has anyone else ever listened to any other groups/artists that have been together for a long time? Everyone seems to be shocked that their lovable IM after some years of loyal regular sound, they might want to, god forbid, CHANGE their style a bit? They can't do that!!! Seriously guys, I have NEVER seen someone artists in the music industry change their style of music, NEVER. Infected Mushroom are the first group ever!

[Sour Milk]

Hello everyone, this is my frist post since the forum changed recently, I must say I like the fact that psynews is like everything, adapting to the current times.

 

And that analogy is true for long running artists, Its all about exploring, you cannot bound talent to just one genre cause it will burnout, I believe thats what happening with IM, they have been the top psy act for awhile now, and I dont blame them for trying to be different, ironic as it sounds lets take AP, I dont understand the psy evangelists who also complain about why AP is still doing old school, seems like the old timers are having a tough time accepting change....

[Gnome]

Is this a psytrance forum?Do US people know shit about psytrance?Is there a God?

US people know about "The Gathering" release?

[Guest .::E.P]

Is this a psytrance forum?Do US people know shit about psytrance?Is there a God?

US people know about "The Gathering" release?

196738[/snapback]

Some of us have been into psy and goa before you even had hair on certain parts

 

And still IM do, did and will never appeal to me. It's simply nothing but music for Candy ravers !

[Gnome]

Alright this is the most ancient line: "i have been blah~blah before you blah~blah and your mom blah~blah" the next one will say "i saw a troll once"

[Guest .::E.P]

Alright this is the most ancient line: "i have been blah~blah before you blah~blah and your mom blah~blah" the next one will say "i saw a troll once"

196780[/snapback]

You shure know how to debate (NOT).

[Gnome]

[atul]

hi there people...

well firstly we all agree that IM is no crap or no stranger to the psy world or roots.

 

we all have danced n heard there magic in da past.

And as we all know a MUSICIAN is not who follows others... but who stand out in da crowd.

And i guess IM is tryin dat only.. so they r experimentin with there sounds.. big deal.

if u want them to be just other artist they can be but may be dats wht IM doesnt want.....

well nowadays every other tracks is sounding same.. no offense though.. but if u all r gonaa listen to same stuff over n over again dan der is no fun...in dat i m sure we all agree to dat...

so we have people like IM thinking in future... that one day or the other people will experiment with the sounds so why not we start first...

 

please people dont be so rude to the pioneers of psy trance....as a fan i also dont want them to go down in drain....but i suggest not humiliate them pay them some respect i BELIVE THEY HAVE EARNED IT......

 

bottomline is experimenting is a risk... might work it or not.....

[Guest .::E.P]

please people dont be so rude to the pioneers of psy trance....

197318[/snapback]

awww give me a break now.. they are far from being the pioneers... many great bands and artists came way before them.... even more unique ones... But I guess the many many newcommers, or should I say the MTV'ers?, in this scene dont know the first thing about what went on before IM infected the scene with their candy music !!

[Quark]

awww give me a break now.. they are far from being the pioneers... many great bands and artists came way before them.... even more unique ones... But I guess the many many newcommers, or should I say the MTV'ers?,  in this scene dont know the first thing about what went on before IM infected the scene with their candy music !!

197319[/snapback]

Iam with you Kristian, I donot think that Infected are pioneers, but I do think, that they are chancing styles on every album, and that is great IMO. The first two albums they produced (The Gathering and Classical Mushroom) arenot that good IMO, but B.P. Empire and Converting Vegetarians are great IMO, and I must say that they have evolved.

 

 

As you can see, this is an opinion question, but that is fine, I think

 

 

Take care now, bye bye then!

[ouroboros]

imma have to agree with e.p. on this one.

 

i have never liked im. i wont debate thier skill with the equipment, but im sorry...they know virtualy nothing about song structure or progression. i have seen them 4 or five times and try as i might...i could never dance to a single song of thiers for more than 30 seconds.

 

they just change it up too often and too abruptly. not very trance inducing at all if you ask me.

 

but hey...to each his own, and lots of people love them....hell...i dont like astral projection at all either so.....

[Nokturnal]

Hmm....I totally agreed that this is a subjective thing to be discussing. Infected played a show here in Calgary, alberta, Canada for the first time ever last January and they did an incredible job of ripping it up. I opened for them and I must admit that I myself like very little of their music (their single WIDER I am a huge fan of though!), but I respect them as musicians and after sharing dinner with them I also respect them as people. Duvdev and Erez are doing what they love, and that is the most important part about what Infected Mushroom is to me.

 

They will be back this way to release their new album in October, and I am very curious how this show will go over. All I know is that after I am done playing I am going to really give their tunes a listen and see what I think of them at that time. I am ok with not liking everything, I take pleasure and comfort in knowing that there is so much diversity in what we call the human experience.

[unikos]

i found this link in a similar topic in isratrance : http://www.rosh1.co.il/pirsum/rosh1_live.html

 

the actual topic in isratrance is funny as hell to read through.. IM are playing on some extra-commercial festival OBVIOUSLY for the money involved, i am not criticising that-its their business-, but all the experts on musical ethics believe that its OK for a psytrance band to play together with Mtv ''musicians''.. in a while they wont even make their own music, someone else will write it for them and they will just go for the show... its the way the industry works, right? its OK to do so...

 

i mean juno reactor is appealing to a wider audience, son kite, atmos, etc but they do not play together with pop-acts... so why is this IM thing not selling out??

 

anyway... just wanted all you guys to see that poster! IMO infected should have a side project to be the money maker...