Guest Skaha Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 I can remember jazz being referred to this way......but of course it'll count anywhere - all currencies accepted......but certain songs will have "It" that magical something - a groove, a sound, a sample an emotion, a blend of them all - and this will be the catalyst song that turns sound into spiritual nectar - of course these sounds are found all across the musical spectrum..............but do you think they are purely subjective - or are there some common, objective tones, notes, sounds that just fit perfectly with our physiology - brain, et al????? purely rhetorical babble - maybe been said before - but I hope those tunes that got "It" will keep coming and find a way to be heard amongst the sea of mediocrity...... ps/ now playing Nav Katze - Wild Horse (Global Communication remix) (chill, not trance) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ZaRAMaTU Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 Der Spyra - Seasons Der Spyra - Subterranean Gardens Dreamfish - Hymn Dreamfish - Aquarium Dreamfish - School of Fish Pete Namlook and Klaus Schulze - Three Pipers at the Gates of Dawn Part 2 Klaus Schulze - Crystal Lake Klaus Schulze - Schwanensee Part 1 Planet B.E.N. - Trippy Future Garden Part 1 Electric Universe - One Love Bors Blenn - Source of Emotion Shpongle - ...and the day turned to night Ozric Tentacles - Sultana Detrii Ozric Tentacles - Spiral Mind Nodens Ictus - Chickens In the Mist Nodens Ictus - Way of the Wind Jaïa - After the Rain Union Jack - Waterdrums Any of those tracks are IMO pure magic and a real mindtrip, in their own respective ways. You can't really compare them with each other, they are just magic in their own way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 Skaha - I was listening to some ambient tunes late last night in the dark and was reminded how a couple notes can carry a certain very general emotion. For instance, in the key of Gminor, going from C to D (four to five) sounds like "triumph" to me. Same with seven to eight. Whereas, for instance, going from one to two or six to seven sounds like "suspension" or "expectancy." I've experienced this many times with many different two- or maybe three-note variations in different keys. Anyway, last night I had a crazy, unrealistic, but still exciting idea to put together a sort of dictionary of musical emotions, listing all the keys and all their possible two-note changes and their respective emotions. Then I realized how colossal a task this would be. But even as a fantasy it was exciting. I don't know if that's kinda what you're getting at, but hell, thought I'd put it out there since it was fresh in my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AutoMath Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 this was one of the most exiting ideas I've heard of in years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Psylent Buddhi Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 Epic Automata, I strongly encourage you to proceed with that idea. Of course, covering all tonal shifts and transitions is practically impossible. With 12 notes in an octave there is 4100 different tonal conditions and if you count in the 7 different ways of playing them (whole note, half note, quarter note etc. ) that gives you a total of 28700 different conditions. The means 820 million theoretical transitions*... But covering the most frequent and popular transitions will be sufficient Epic Automata! *I took this example from a science magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ZaRAMaTU Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 I've had basically the same idea actually. I wonder if it would be possible to create synaesthetic reactions to music using the right combination of notes. But it might be hard to do it with synaesthesia, because very few synaesthets gets the same reaction to a certain stimuli. But I really wonder if it wouldn't be possible to create synaesthetic reactions for ALL people, triggered by music? I also believe that it's possible to trigger epilepsy (I once had my so far only epileptical seizure after listening to Shiva Chandra's "S.P.Q.R.") with certain sounds. But the hard thing with all this is that you get different reactions to a piece of music depending on what emotions you were in before you started to play the tune, and depending on what other stimuli you experience during and after listening to the music. At least that is my belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bahamut Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 a bit off topic but do you know Rachmaninov - 2nd Piano Concerto part 2? You'll have to listen to it completely and then at the end, that certain combination of beautiful chords ALWAYS gives me goosebumbs. It has this "dont worry, everything is gonna be allright" feeling to it. Yeah, classical music can be a trip too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AtomikElf Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 .......COSMOSIS: SYNERGY has got "it"..............one of the best psychedelic trance cd's on your planet :: cool vibes "PlaySpace" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skaha Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 Zaramatu - yeah I'm sure receptivity plays a big part in it - it isn't only that you hear these sounds - it's that the sound wave - the tone, note, emotion, etc. - is allowed to fully saturate the right brain centres - it also seems to work, as some people pointed to, as a synergistic thing - the cumulative effect of different notes, builds, changes, - anyway - I am going purely on personal experience and intuition - I am just interested or curious about what parts of the brain are being triggered or activated or catalyzed - I believe there are dormant parts of the brain that need to be coaxed into activation and music can contribute to this - but really the whole knowing of the nitty gritty details is purely secondary - the great thing is that it can happen! I should really look into it more - I know there have been lots of promising studies done with the sound waves emitted by dolphins having a positive impact on traumatized and mentally ill people - it is literally a sonic massage - sonic acupuncture - EA - go for it with the musical dictionary - I am referring more to sound that has some kind of tweaking effect on our brains and nervous systems rather than simply expressing emotions but of course there is a fine line with lots of crossover between these - it may not necessarily be a categorizeable emotion though - if they can map the human genome, I'm sure you could map a dictionary of musical emotions - actualy I know exactly what i'm talking about but can't really get it intoo words very well - I heard once that the Sanskrit language, in it's vowel and consonant pronunciation system, was designed so that proper pronunciation would stimulate and awaken chakras and such in your throat and head - mantras came from this - a lot of care and thought used to be put into these things...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 Simon Posford's got "it." admit it. -=- Matt/Strumpling -=- the guy's brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Otto Matta Posted April 28, 2002 Share Posted April 28, 2002 Hey Psylent Buddhi - I'm making progress on my dictionary. I've spent the entire weekend working on it. I'm up to a grand total of 12 out of 820 million transitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Psylent Buddhi Posted April 28, 2002 Share Posted April 28, 2002 Way to go Epic Automata! I guess you can almost spot the light at the end of the tunnel now!! Btw, are you describing each transition with a different word? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted April 28, 2002 Share Posted April 28, 2002 Hehe. No, I was just kidding. In my original post I said the idea was only a fantasy, since even before your friendly statistics I knew a dicitionary of this sort would be almost impossible to create. Meanwhile, I was just listening to a track and heard a three-note transition that sounded very much like "Humility" or "Embarrassment." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Psylent Buddhi Posted April 28, 2002 Share Posted April 28, 2002 Heh, yes, indeed the task is impossible! Btw EA, If you would be kind enough to share with us the music that gives birth to such feelings as you described, perhaps we could do a limited (pseudo)scientific investigation of the question Skaha asked? It would be interesting if I or anyone else interested in this matter (the matter of the existence of objective tones in music) would agree with those words you applied to the specific transitions. Anyway, just a thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barrington Posted April 28, 2002 Share Posted April 28, 2002 Actually.... I read somewhere that there ARE certain sounds that are somehow "hard wired" to sound appealing the human brain. The only I can remember off hand is one that sounds like a heavily time-stretched "dong". It's similar to the sound of a digeridoo in some respects, and has been researched to be one of the most appealing sounds to the human ear. I suppose more technically, it's a really really rapidly arpeggiated low-frequency square wave (?). maybe. I think it related to some tribal somethingorother.... Personally, when I think about all my favourite tracks, they all contain a variation of this particular sound. Notably: 1. Sven Vath - "Barbarella" Deep Dish remix. listen to the "dwooong" in the break. 2. Organik - "Musik" Chab Remix. another variation - the single note repeated every 8 bars. 3. New Order - "Someone Like You" Futureshock Vocal Remix - this time a two-note combination using the same sound. 4. Alien Project - "Magnetic" - uses a rolling bassline of this sound with very minimal attack. fantastic through the right speakers. 5. Absolum - "Goldfinger" - the sound that's repeated after 1m30s (depending on remix) every bar. You'll know it when you hear it! These are all very appealing songs to me, because of that sound. What do you think? anyone else know of any other sounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hogus Posted April 29, 2002 Share Posted April 29, 2002 The tracks that have it are usually those that have an underlying structure, or they are made by someone with a lot of experience that has developed a very finely tuned sub-conscious system to their musical production. Music played in a specific key can sound extremely different. Often our concept of how a key sounds is based on a rigid western method of playing, but once you add syncopation and groove to your note progression it changes the nature of the mathematical relationship between notes in a key. A small nudge, shortening or lengthening of a note can be the difference bewteen having a powerful funky groove or having static computerised playback. Because the possibilities are so vast it comes down to experience, building pattern recognising neural pathways that allow you to instinctively know what adjustments to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ZaRAMaTU Posted April 29, 2002 Share Posted April 29, 2002 Just a few links that might be useful for this subject: Yahoo - Music Cognition Musical Talent: Real or a Myth? Digital Daydreams - Music Tutorial Digital Daydreams - Glossary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ZaRAMaTU Posted April 29, 2002 Share Posted April 29, 2002 Even more articles Scientific American: Exploring the Musical Brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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