Basilisk Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Here's the question I have... there are plenty of great old school Goa songs that suffer from poor mastering. Is there any way to do something about this in the here and now, to make an improvement? Does anyone dabbling in mastering with an appreciation of old school want to give it a shot? or has anyone already? On the other side, have any of the new "remastered" editions of old classics (such as the ones on Avatar and Inpsyde) sounded different to your ears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 That would be the great idea Basilisk. But, somehow I don't mind not so good mastering cause a lot of old school releases sound right being slightly poor mastered cause of spiritual feel. I mean, it would definately sound great if you for example take brilliant Hallucinogen - Spike song from RTTS. That song is abolutely marvelous but the mastering is so poor you can barely hear melody. Same stands for Etnica's first album Juggeling Alchemist, great music, bad mastering and that album would sound great with liquid sounds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukiro Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 You'd need to re-do the mixing rather than the final mastering... Which is impossible since noone has the separate channels for all those tracks any more. The mastering can't separate sounds or treat individual sounds, since mastering is applied to the final mix. You can EQ certain frequencies to do things like cut out bass below 30Hz or lift the high frequencies a bit, but just about all sounds (except pure sine waves) have overtones and undertones that blend into those of the other sounds. I've been planning to try to mix a deeper kickdrum into Transwave's "Zero Density" for a long long time, so I might give that a shot quite soon - I'll let you know how it turns out =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmithabaBuddha Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 You'd need to re-do the mixing rather than the final mastering... Which is impossible since noone has the separate channels for all those tracks any more. The mastering can't separate sounds or treat individual sounds, since mastering is applied to the final mix. You can EQ certain frequencies to do things like cut out bass below 30Hz or lift the high frequencies a bit, but just about all sounds (except pure sine waves) have overtones and undertones that blend into those of the other sounds. I've been planning to try to mix a deeper kickdrum into Transwave's "Zero Density" for a long long time, so I might give that a shot quite soon - I'll let you know how it turns out =) 209526[/snapback] true , zero density lacks a lot the low freq! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redeemer Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 But isn't Zero Density supposed to sound 'light', hence the name: Zero Density? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukiro Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 But isn't Zero Density supposed to sound 'light', hence the name: Zero Density? 209572[/snapback] Yeah but if I try to play it in my sets people come up to me telling me the bass speakers died... It really happens every time. Those enormous melodies deserve better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuff Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 True, the kick is really pitched a couple of octaves too high. (I think the guys regrets it today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalDyk Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 You could do it but it definitely would not do what you would hope for it. Like said earlier, you would have to be able to have access to each individual track to really make a big impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negrosex Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Or duplicate each track on your own synths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryion Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Or duplicate each track on your own synths. 209711[/snapback] good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmithabaBuddha Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 True, the kick is really pitched a couple of octaves too high. (I think the guys regrets it today 209657[/snapback] not really , they just cut the low freq of the bass/kickdrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuff Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 not really , they just cut the low freq of the bass/kickdrum. 209932[/snapback] that also happens when pitching it higher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmithabaBuddha Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 that also happens when pitching it higher 209953[/snapback] not really. ive produced pitched kicks (kinda nitzhonot ) if the kick lacks the sine wave tail you wont notest a low freq on it , or they simply cut the low freq on the kick /bassline , but better ask Dado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N,N-dimethyl tryptamine Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 EQing poorly mastered songs leads to distortion and blown speakers, an equalizer will have the best effect on a well mastered song Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tone Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Goa is timeless New Psytrance sucks, same god damn bass used in every song and boring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
age of panic Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Mastering surely won't offer a thing .. all those tracks need a new (better) mix... it'd be great if some of them still exist in some hard drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djnemo Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 The problem probably with PsyTrance classics is, that in the 90s everyone used DAT's to record their final master on. So it was recorded in Stereo, and not as individual tracks on a harddrive or on an ADAT. Therefor, even if you get your hands on the master, it will be a stereo track, and that wont help you that much, im affraid. The harddrives werent that big back then, so artists could do BIG harddrive recordings to just store them on. Once a mastering was done. DELETE and lets make a new track. I think that if they would have used ADAT's or other multitrack recorders, then there would have been a good chance of re mastering. I think that all the artists have their arrangements, but I doubt that they even still have the soundbanks for the sounds that they used. Its a shame, because there are many many tracks out there that could need a bit of redo, and then they would be very fresh and new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Various®Artist© Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Another option is to perfectly enjoy the unperfect thing... sounds possible??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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