Guest peaceful warrior Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I was just wondering what you guys think of the house influences that seem to be creeping into some psy-trance releases? Is there room for some new sounds or not? What do you all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pranaspace Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 i think it is pretty groovy...leaves room for sounds to breath...more earthy in a perspective - keep it funky, keep it tight, most of all keep it psychedelic... ; " ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lÿsërgïç Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 most of the time i dont want psy to be funky. i want it to be confusing and driving. but of course sometimes ill be in the mood for funky housey sounds, like koxbox - crunchy moles has that sunny housey feeling. but ill only listen to this stuff when im in that mood. so yeah, id prefer things to stay like they were, afterall i fell in love with this music because it wasnt like house or anything else, so why would you want it to become like something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hels Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I love it! Maybe it's a stretch but the bouncy nice sound in Wizzy Noise's - Painful Memories seems housy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peaceful warrior Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Well I really love that whole Kox Box album and that is a great example of what I am talking about. But it is in alot of stuff: alot of progressive is using elements of that approach and some Israeli stuff is incorporating the house sound. In general I like it. I don't generally like most house music although its not that bad, but when a good psy-trance artist implements those sounds in a deep, psychedelic song it really works. That approach is just so silky smooth and it can really add something fresh for psy-trance listeners. Most house music is just not deep enough or creative enough. Its not that the sounds are bad but just that the execution or the composition is not good. For me psy-trance has always been synonymous with deep, creative, evolving music. I don't believe that it is about formulas. Since the begining psy-trance in its' evolution has taken in elements from other sources. This is part of its charm. I personally don't want something that is predictable. I understand some people do but that is what I find so un-exiting about most music: it goes no where and the same basic songs (song structure, instruments, sounds and theme) are rehashed over and over and over. Even for the psy-trance songs I love from way back, I wouldn't want every song that followed to be just like them. Personally I like variety. My mood isn't always the same and my circumstances arn't always the same so I don't want all the music I listen to to be the same. Psy-trance meets these requirements for me and that is why I love it so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mogwai Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I like the UK Housy Psy tunes but aint a big fan of the IsraeliHousey stuff like Spacecats newer stuff. Its just too boring whereas the UK stuff is dreamy and fluffy. Its good on a sunny day for outdoors when your not doing much but relaxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest opul Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 *SHIVER* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --==MileS==-- Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I prefer influences from other than the electronic scene, just check the latest Shpongle or Dark Soho to hear how Psy can still be enhanced...I don't find the mixtures with the techno and house scene thus far particulary interesting...and since it all starts to sound a lot like techno and house I don't think I will like it in the near future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Krelm Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I'm definitely digging it quite a bit. This is pretty much the sound I've been focusing on as a DJ for the last 6-8 months. I always had disliked house in the past because it just sounded too mindless, but a lot of the more house-influenced psy that has been coming out lately has the nice element of groove, along with a great element of depth. I find it to be excellent morning/daytime music for parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anon Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 yup.... its nice, its just another way to trip your mind with the grooveness and its more like joyfull than the stroboscopic trance we r used to.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Matta Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I'm certainly not a fan of house, but I enjoy a little bit of happiness mixed in to psytrance once in a while. Green House Effect's "Global Warming" was very refreshing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 // Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pranaspace Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 deep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest unit Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 I'm not really that into house or anything but I like most of the stuff I've heard from Dj Nukem and Chab etc! I think it's called tribal house or progressive house or something but I guess I need to get a closer look at this genre since it seems very promising, I don't usually like house but to me, this is something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ZEN_ic Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 The PUM!! PUM!! PUM!! is bad ==> House influences are bad More melodic and deep psychedelic songs . Psychedelic/Goa Trance is not House. In Spain only are House and Hardtechno, this is a @!#$. Spain music is a @!#$ for me. Peace and Goa for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peaceful warrior Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 Sorry to say this ZEN ic but it sounds like you don't know what house influences we are talking about. I suggest you listen to KoxBox's newest album 'The Great Unknown', Oforia's new album 'Let it Beat', Space Cat's new album, many progressive albums and compilations like Something for the Weekend, Order Odonata 6, Kiss the Future 2. I am sure many people here can give you many more recommendations. You don't have to like the sound but you should at least know what we are talking about. Anyway if its not to your taste what can you do about it, you'll just have to miss out. J.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest russ Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 like anything else, it can be great or terrible. i don't like the mark allen/hopefiend mainstream take on things, and the middle of the new manmademan album is an utterly unlistenable disaster. if the house influences are just there to make a track more accessible to the average attention-deficit, hearing-impaired weekend club hopper, then it can be awful. but for your artists who are looking for fresh sounds and inspiration, it can great. all the filur tracks are good, the new allegria album is great as is all of the plastic park/sunset stuff, the baluns otherwise comp is fantastic (i guess that is towards techno too, but it strikes me as having many housy moments too, and it's probably my favorite comp of last year). i guess in my mind i see two camps: artists honestly exploring house for grooves and ideas, like the digital structures/sunset crew, and labels just exploiting house for its mainstream appeal, like transient which has been putting out a load of rubbish for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 well stated, russ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Red Headed Stepchild Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 Great topic P.W. I think that as long as any group keeps that element of deep meaningfull creativity in their music; then it doesn't matter if they are influenced by other types of Electronic music. Which brings up a point. Why do some people make a big fuss about a group that uses House or Tekno sounds but are fine if a group uses sounds outside of the Electronic dance scene? I know alot of people here in the U.S. that hate all Electronic music. They think it is stupid to use any sounds that aren't in the main stream. These people are closed-minded. Why wouls anybody wish to be like that. Well enough of my ramblings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peaceful warrior Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 Hey Red Headed Stepchild, whats' up! Nice to see you on here. Anyway I think Russ made a good point: That it isn't automatically good or bad but depends on how the artist uses it and what his motivations are for using it. Some artists are so damn creative and they can use any sound and make it killer. Then there are some artists that aren't very creative and so they just borrow sounds so that they can grab the interests of casual listeners. Well anyway, I agree with your point too R.H.S, that it seems that many people in the psy-trance scene revolt against the idea of artists using elements from other styles of electronic music but are fine with them using not electronic sounds. Now to me this seems bias. For one thing how can you utterly hate other forms of electronica and love psy-trance when psy-trance is largely electronic music and thus already shares much with other forms of electronica. Its like looking at a beautiful woman and then saying that her cousin who looks alot like her is just completely ugly. It doesn't make sense. And also there are those who want psy-trance to be music with only electronic sounds (eg. synthesizer sounds) and think that it is disgusting to put natural sounds or acustic instruments into the mix. I think that most of us agree that the artist should be free to use any sound so long as he/she/they create something that moves us (literally and figuratively). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UBS Posted May 4, 2002 Share Posted May 4, 2002 The bottom line is it may be well produced, well intending, easy to get into but it derives so far from the main points of Psychedelic trance it really isnt Psychedelic trance. Im listening to Foot-Prints at the moment and can honestly say none of it is psychedelic trance , its all techno, house inspired grooves. The only group who release psychedelic yet are techno/house in sound are Refer Decree. Its way to subjective now for me to get into discussion, however progressive is stealing all the psytrance glory at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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