Guest Mike D Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I heard somebody post this a while ago and man is it a joke!! I think that full on is more the way of the future than minimal-techtrance. Full on manages to combine the sound quality and genius of modern technology and knowledge, yet keeps a lot of the weird squidgey feelings created by the original oldskool melodic artists from '95-'98. With albums like Mr Peculiar - Elements, Nomad - Hyuperactive, Space Cat - Power Up and Logic Bomb 's old and soon to come-out new album, I think Full On is more alive and well than any other style, and it will go down kicking and screaming if it goes at all. I hate to say that I see no real return to original goa, though hopefully a few attempts will be made, including an idea I have for when my studio gets really burning! But I think that the Full On styler from Oztralia, France and Israel is gonna be a future prophecy hehe! Just a thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lespagnol Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 nomad suxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lurk Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Thanks Mike, another very insightful comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wed Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Yea, Logics new EP really rocks. (Unlimited/Hund EP)... It's subtile full-on... not "in-your-face"-trance like some old israelian artists... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mindtwister Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I can just hope your thoughts will take place in the real world in a near future =) //Mindtwister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kristian Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 SQIUSH-BOOM-CRASH-RANDOMSTUFF-HIT-FLIP-FLAP-FLOP-SQEECH-BAM-BOM-BOOGIE-DING-A-LING-LANG-LONG-FJONG AND SO ON, AND SO ON, AND SO FORTH... How old are you guys? Is Mr Peculiar, Nomad, Logic bomb, Space cat what you describe as full on trance? I call it unintelligent, boring RANDOMIZED stuff... The last true full on trance I experienced was Pleiadians - Family of light. I guess you have a different definition of full on if you're younger and haven't experienced thoose "old" albums of which I define true full on. Full on for me is a trance track with perhaps sometimes an mysterious intro, with somewhat randomized sounds, heading towards a "goal", a "finish" of more complex and intense structured sound patterns, more melodic then what people describe in the Mr Pecular - Elements album "after 3 mins in the first track some melodies appears". One - three randomized notes sure isn't melodic in my eyes... Let's hope MFG, Pleiadians and the rest of the best can bring back the for me true full on sound again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stamper Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 NP - Electric Universe - Transmission (Unify) Good track !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --==MileS==-- Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 The whole UNIFY album is a blast...Very recommended for disappointed old skoolers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 blah blah blah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eCactus Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Of course it is dead! The difference between Full On and Tech Trance/Progressive Trance is very similar to the difference between Poison and Nirvana, to use a rock analogy. We are here to evolve, experiment, and invent new things and while it's nice to remember the old days, Full On sounds funny these days, it's 2002, guys, open your minds! Peace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Syre Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 I've heard bits of the new logic album. They've done a good job, but not really my style! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hoffy Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 Kristian... sounds like you've got yourself a really specific protocol for what "Full On" should be... mabye if you listened to music with a bit more of an open mind, you may have found some more full on music since Family of Light..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mehujo Wuho Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 SQIUSH-BOOM-CRASH-RANDOMSTUFF-HIT-FLIP-FLAP-FLOP-SQEECH-BAM-BOM-BOOGIE-DING-A-LING-LANG-LONG-FJONG AND SO ON, AND SO ON, AND SO FORTH... How old are you guys? Is Mr Peculiar, Nomad, Logic bomb, Space cat what you describe as full on trance? I call it unintelligent, boring RANDOMIZED stuff... The last true full on trance I experienced was Pleiadians - Family of light. I guess you have a different definition of full on if you're younger and haven't experienced thoose "old" albums of which I define true full on. Full on for me is a trance track with perhaps sometimes an mysterious intro, with somewhat randomized sounds, heading towards a "goal", a "finish" of more complex and intense structured sound patterns, more melodic then what people describe in the Mr Pecular - Elements album "after 3 mins in the first track some melodies appears". One - three randomized notes sure isn't melodic in my eyes... Let's hope MFG, Pleiadians and the rest of the best can bring back the for me true full on sound again. *ahem* Kristian, I will call my music whatever I want to cal it ok?? Secondly, I have been going to 'raves' since '95 when I was 15 years of age, so I am not a kid of the scene, I hhave have had 7 years of partying and buying experience! Get over it alrady. cheerz big eerz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bugbread Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 "SQIUSH-BOOM-CRASH-RANDOMSTUFF-HIT-FLIP-FLAP-FLOP-SQEECH-BAM-BOM-BOOGIE-DING-A-LING-LANG-LONG-FJONG" Awesome...If only most full-on was really this bizarre and complex. That's why I like the Finns. Besides which, Kristian, isn't the stuff you're saying is "real" full-on really called "melodic"? I thought "full-on" and "melodic" were different. Kinda like me saying: "You guys call Shpongle psy-ambient? Real psy-ambient is Brian Eno or Windham Hills records!"...Uh, no, real ambient is Brian Eno, real PSY-ambient is Shpongle. NP: Squaremeat - H 130 S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kristian Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 Bugbread: "isn't the stuff you're saying is "real" full-on really called "melodic"?" The best full on album for me must be Pleiadians - IFO, this one is both intense in the true matter of full on and melodic at the same time. Ofcourse the definition of full on has has changed over the past two-three years. What I wanted to say is that younger people perhaps never get the chance to experience the elder "full on" and therefor miss the opportunity to experience the good old sound of for example Pleiadians which in my opionion should rule above all at feasts even today if it got it chance by younger listeners. For me my religion trance which I lived by everyday has let me down one time to many. And I still cannot understand how anything can be more appreciated then the ruling albums of for example Pleiadians. Give me one album that has more then IFO... The new full on style is for me much overrated and the old style abbandoned much to early. Fortunately I can still go back to my roots of synthmusic and get good old chills from new artists popping up in that scene: Assemblage 23 (www.synthetic.org/a23), Icon of coil (http://www.iconofcoil.com), Hocico (http://www.hocico.net), Echo Image (http://www.echoimage.com) just to mention a few of them. All of them are today taking influences from the trance scene and put FEELINGS into their stuff! BLURP-CRASH-BOOM-signing off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest woutski Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 "We are here to evolve, experiment, and invent new things and while it's nice to remember the old days, Full On sounds funny these days, it's 2002, guys, open your minds! Peace!" this is exactly the arrogante attitude I'd expect from a progressive snob. those peeps think they're so special and groundbreaking, slagging off the oldschool Goa sound (how cool!) and thinking they are in the frontlines of some new musical phenomenon with their clubby/techy influences. You wake up and open your mind (and ears). There's absolutely NOTHING experimental and evolving about progressive psy anymore. I used to love the new techy influences for a while (I still dig some bands) when some artists such as Metal spark/sibilant, Cwithe and later Atmos, Noma, XV Kilist etc, started experimenting with it. But about 2 years later I came to the conclusion that it's nothing more than a trend and will go down by the same thing that killed the original Goa sound: Inbreed. Minimal progressive stuff is just a formula/sound, made by a scene of people who clearly only listen to 135-bpm offbeat, dark, plodding Minimal psytech (look at the top 10's - I see the same groups over and over again) very openminded.... If they would be truly 'progressive' they shouldn't listen to copies of copies of copies, but look for the source and learn from artists such as Underworld, Orbital, System 7, Eat Static, Speedy J etc....but I guess they will have something 'snobby' to say about that as well. Bring it on! 8) Sorry, I'm a bit grumpy today 8) Piece! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest noisis Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 I dont think that full-on means just melodic. Ok for the melodies, but it's not only that. There are feelings, power, spirituality,ecstasy, psychedelia and other thing that mostly dont appear in mimimal stuff. I'm a full-on lover, but i listen to minimal too. There's nothing bad at minimal, but you cant say that minimal is better than full-on! If full-on didn't existed, minimal wont exist! Also melodic can be cheesy, but full-on can't be. Full-on is not dead! The progression from full-on to minimal is just a trip to deeper, darker, noisier and early forms of music, only sounds and rythms, less melodies. By the early primitive (i dont mean it in a bad way) envolved, and we had musical instruments and melodies like flutes and arps, not only woods and toms. It will be these same in psytrance. We'll envolve. Music based from minimal tech-style will envolve into something bigger, better and deeper. The first homo-sapiens made sounds of their life: birds, animals, storms and natural elements. We do the same: we use computer sounds, noises from our everyday-life, tech-sounds etc. But the psychedelia will be back for sure, someday wi'll start to dream again. Dream of things we need, want, just to create another reality, better than the one we live. That will be the spirit and the form of the future psychedelic trance. Resurection! We started, we'll finish and then back again. That happens for everything, it's in the circle of life. Like Psychedelic Goa Trance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fosku Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 aromipesä. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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