seraph Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 So, I was thinking these days, months, what to hell happend to all this guys INVENTING the genre these days ? Something nasty happend when they are all DOOMED to make what the audience EXPECTS. They don't have their identity anymore and most of them are BOUND to make stuff for wide audience. So, I know that most of you guys agree about this REGRESSION that occur in the scene, no matter how many people pretend that it's progressing somewhere. I understand progression, but I leave that to the new commers that should make different music. But I do mind how come practically ALL of pioneers faded, started doing something else, GOT IN RELIGION, move onto other things, started MAKING HOUSE music...and all the differences that happend these years. I understand that people change and move in their life, but I don't get most of the artists MAKING the same thing everyone else makes pretending they are cool as everyone else, but completely lost their true identity, there are many artists that started doing this thing : Psychaos, Electric Universe, Shakta, Astral Projection, Man With No Name, Cosmosis, Talamasca and many more that CHANGED their style ' for better good ' or maybe for BETTER sale ? Like they needed better sale, Astral Projection especially... But nevermind the 'desperate' ranting, I made this topic about those brilliant masters that invented the genre and set the nowadays standards : UK Simon Posford - Started making trance music very young, played various instruments in life, computer geek mixed all of his atributes and became one of the most prominent guys in trance scene. Released various stuff under different project but his most popular projects were Hallucinogen, Shpongle, Celtic Cross, Anubis... FULL RESPECT ! Martin Freeland - After Simon Posford certainly most prominent british producer. He also set the standards of modern trance making, doing incredible stuff back then, when most of them were still peeing in their dipers, plus he is one of the best remixers in the world. Huge respect ! Dave Young - He started a bit later but left huge mark on the scene, making many good albums and releasing lots of classic singles. His project he did with Mike is called Chi - A.D. and I find it as one of the best projects in UK. And, beside all that, he still remained very modest and in the shadow. Also, huge respect for his contribution. Bill Halsey - He is one half of Cosmosis and with that group he achieved a lot, making different kinds of trance states, released also numerous singles and with his buddy Jeremy made 2 very psychedelic groups, Laughing Buddha being the second one. Very good artist ! Dino Psaras - Crazy, twisted guy, producing mostly deviant, twisted stuff is very respectable british producer and dj, founder of diabolic Cydonia project, but these days release stuff under his name...pretty respected persona in the british scene. Joti Sidhu - England born indian is still among my favourite music makers in UK. His oriental melodies and sounds set Goa standards back in 94-5-6-7. He continued onto more darker stuff, making it more and more deviant until he reached some funky moment and made pretty funky last album, a bit of regression but nevermind, he is still Joti ! Ben Watkins - One of the founders of the legendary Juno Reactor project. This group is among the first one in UK that started playing with psychedelic sounds and producing one of the first psy trance albums in history of trance. Constantly changing but staying true to himself he really made a myth out of this mythical group. Merv Pepler - Here is one of the aliens as well, this guy is also here since beginning, making different kinds of music during this long period, constantly changing his music, progressing, going back, regressing, playing with whatever he wants, very interesting mind. Sebastian Taylor - Guy behind Shakta, Somaton, Digitalis is also very professional. He started making near beginning and left heaps of quality albums behind. His 'natural' psychedelic really makies him original cause no one else makes this kind of trance music. FRANCE Serge Souque - He is one of the true masters of melody here. His perfect trance melodies are still in so many heads around the globe. This guy gathered another 3 good friends and made Total Eclipse project, one of the earlier ones in France. He also had The Antidote project which is not in the same style as Total Eclipse but pretty trippy. Frederick Holyszewski - Originally polish, this amazing mind started playing with psy sounds with his friend Christophe Drouillet back then, in the beginning and brought us so many happy moments with their Transwave project. All 3 albums are still among most melodic and psy albums of all time. His other projects Deedrah, Synthetic, GBU are also very good, but not that melodic though. Christophe Drouillet - This is one very creative guy as well, making ultimate trance in beginning with Frederick, continuing to his more wild, twisted project Absolum and amazing Elixir. He did get a bit minimal and too monotonic these days but he still remains as very good dj and prodcuer in the scene. DJ Lestat - This guy is also there, almost from beginning but has been active and very productive during the years that he also loose himself a little bit in full on, but still he is such an amazing dj and pretty funny producer that he is with big reason here, on the list. Gabriel Masurel - He is one of the gentlest ones, very sophisticated producer. With his friend Christophe Le Bras he made one of the best projects ever - Blue Planet Corporation. I don't need to say anything here, PERFECTION... Yannis Kammarinos - This greek guy living in France is also one of the pioneers in french scene. He left pretty good mark on Goa scene there with his highly melodic and lyrical arrangements as Jaia project. GERMANY Oliver Lieb - Even though he is not in psy trance scene, this guy deserves the biggest respect in German scene cause of his influence and basic set of the standards. He has MANY MANY projects, producing almost every single genre he could do. His most famous project is LSG, very trancey, freestyle music made for chilling and some clubs. With that one, he made ambient project Spicelab, which is pure bliss. He had huge influence on so many people cause he is there even from the eighties, experimenting, making such beautiful music. He is The King. Boris Blenn - He is the ultimate psy producer from Germany. He is the specialist for melodic psy music with incredible space melodies, being with Oliver Lieb most SPACEY artist in Germany. His project Electric Universe is amazing project, made 8 albums as Electric Universe, he also had Jupiter 8000 psy project and one ambient, Galaxy. He also decided to make 'modern' music but his version of full on is not so obvious, but still he lost his old touch. Tim Schuldt - Here is anpother one very prominent and one of true masters of psy genre in Germany. His darker, hypnotic music is very driving and he knows how to hypnotise you. He has project as Tim Schuldt, but also as Four Carry Nuts, Talking Souls, Ushuaya, all very good and psychedelic... Jan Muller & Marcus Maichel - These two as famous X-Dream really brought a lot to the trance scene, experimenting and breaking boundaries in trance structures. They both have side projects that are also very good - Delta and Children Of Paradise. They set the standards and now they are breaking them. Fair enough... Ben Wierzoh - He is also there from very beginning, doing his Planet BEN project where he took the genre and made it more minimal and pictoresque. Shame he is producing full on music as well these days, completely forgetting his old minimalistic style. ISRAEL Avi Nissim & Lior Perlmutter - There is no need discussing these two...Astral Projection ! Avi Algranati - He is one of the pioneers as well, being there since 1994, starting in incredible Indoor and Inscape projects with Ofer Dikovsky and Marko Goren. After they split he started with his solo project Space Cat. He is expert in creating very liquid mechanic sounds, great works. Ofer Dikovsky - Starting with Avi and Marko Indoor project, he continued to Tandu where they made great album, and continued to his solo project Oforia, very driving, psychedelic madness. During that time he made another project Pigs In Space, metallic, psy mayhem, perfect ! Guy Zukrel - One of the founders of MFG, with Aharon Segal, making lots of albums and singles and simpy doing one of the msot spiritual works in Israel. He moved onto Passenger project, very melodic and energetic project. This guy deserves huge respect. Har El Pruskky - This guy is also there since the end of eighties, producing trance music since then, doing very good work with hypnotising your brain as well. His project California Sunshine with Miko was his most popular project. He also has Adrenalin Drum project, less hypnotising and more minimal. Itzik Levy - This israeli guy was one of the first one in Israel dealing with trance. Before his Green House Effect project he was making music as Sandman, made few albums and lots of singles and is considered as one of the most brave ones from Israel changing the known israeli genre to something more precise and different. Erez Aizen & Amit Duvdevani - This crazy duo made one of the most popular trance acts of all time - Infected Mushroom. Their project was perfect until the moment when they actually didn't know what to do next. They completely regressed from the very psychedelic collage to something rather childish and immature. Pretty dissapointing nowadays act but still they are there cause they INVENT new sounds. Rami Shapira - The guy that stands behind Chakra project was also from the very beginning, doing his first, golden album The Promised Land with Edi Mis. He was making before and after that project music and is a very good DJ. Shame he is NOT producing music anymore, at least not with the same excitement. SWEDEN Miranda Silvergreen - Formerly known as Miranda is one of the first female psy trance producers. She makes perfect blend of melodic and hard psy trance. She also had other projects as Athena, Encens and she contributed a lot to the scene by being great producer and wild dj. David Tingsgard & Magnus Bladh - Altogether with Johan Rosen and Martin Kvisler they formed one of the darkest, most intense goa bands ever - Battle Of The Future Buddhas. With such strong name they completely made their own style and label, releasing only quality music. Bunch of very creative guys. Tomasz Balicki - Progressive icon with his project Atmos gained huge respect in the scene by inventing the genre now known as progressive trance. His liquid structures are for cozy trance states and he is not playing with your brain like the rest. Dennis Tapper - Another swedish psy master, named as Hux Flux contributed a lot to darker edge of psy at its best years. He hasn't made so much albums but had lots of singles experiments a lot. Robert Elster & Ricard Berglof - They are known for their Vibrasphere project. Before they were making progressive trance they were goa psy group called Subcouds with few goa singles released. I feel so sorry cause they haven't released any album as Subcouds, it would be great. Sebastian Mullaert & Marcus Henrickson - This duo known as Son Kite developed progressive genre and set the standards for that, making new kind of structures, smoothly changing the style and progressing it on the higher level. DENMARK Ian Ion & Frank'E - Two guys doing all sorts of stuff from even before their most famous project Kox Box. This group brought entirely fresh way of looking at psychedelia. Their morphing psychedelic visions are so delicious, so they have to make another group Psychopod. After enormous success they continued onto Saiko Pod project as well. Also released heaps of albums, quality ones. Jean Borelli - He used to make pretty good goa trance as Orion. He continued making psychedelic trance where he moved these days onto full on genre. He is still active and has many albums behind him, but is also lost in doing the same thing as everyone else these days. Can I mention Kristian Andersen ? - He was there since beginning making nice fusion between ethno and trance, for which he is completely original so that is why I counted him here too. He made several albums, progressed his genre, doing different things and is still active which gives him extra credit. But I don't want to talk about him cause he is here and might as well argue with me talking about him... ITALY Group Pleiadians with members Carlo Patterno, Maurizio Begotti, Andrea Rizzo and Max Lanfranconi is the only italian group that is so strong and monumental in the scene cause of incredible ammount of material they released and very innovative music they made. They have various projects ; Etnica, Pleiadians and Crop Circles. With all 3 projects they broke all the boundaries and brought trance on entirely different level. They released numerous albums and singles and are for me true masters of the genre. I would put more of the countries and artists but this topic is already so huge and I don't have so much time right now, you add if you didn't see someone mentioned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted July 3, 2005 Author Share Posted July 3, 2005 What ? No one is interested to talk about people that are behind all this ? I was sure I will find someone to talk with about this thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritual om Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 ENGLAND tristan cooke:his project tristan is great.audiodrome is so deep and intelligent and he deserves respect.he is also a great dj. doof nick barber is a great musician and only for his debut we should praise him. green nuns of the revolution their music was great.they really brought a revolution with their rocking and playful compositions.a project that will be remembered. ISRAEL xerox and freeman Moshe Keinan / Doron Kosovski is a great duo and their pre-millenium contibution was fabulous.they have this groovy touch in their tracks(a love it or hate it thing) which was something new the older days! last but not least chakra they offered us multiple killers that are still roaring! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .::E.P Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 It's fine to talk about me btw my name is probably better known as Kristian Thinning but it's all fine I like to mention a few Scandinavian not listed names: Sweden: Robert Leiner aka The Source Experince. Robert has if any put Sweden on the trance map with his amazing releases on Belgian R&S Records. A true pioneer. I seriously doubt names like Son Kite and Atmos would have existed without Roberts amazing releases. Denmark: Orichalum The most deep psychedelic and quite progressive of the time band that have seen the light in Denmark. The true masters of flowing deep trippy tracks. Norway: Biosphere Amazing mysterious and dark ambient music created far north in Norway where the radars are found side by side with The Northern Light. To me it's the best ever ambient coming out of Scandinavia. Btw Kox Box was originally Frank E and Peter Candy. Later Ian joined and after a while Peter left Kox Box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 I would like to add some extra names: Logic Bomb, they had set the standard of modern melodic goa trance for years And then you forgot some GIGANTIC pioneers imo Tusyoshi Suzuki! He was years ahead of his time... Xenomorph: made great albums and he is probably the most important influence for the dark scene Ollie Olsen/Andrew Till and all @ psy harmonics, the first ultra weird/psychedelic/experimental music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaman of sound Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 very interesting but our EP is Kristain Thinning? if im not mistaken Huns christian Anderson war an author.... i think all the Israeli Artists you have mentioned deserves credit and respect! But as mentiond. i think you forgot Chakra & Eddie Mis. these two guys rtought us one of the most beautiful album ever- The Promissed Land! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritual om Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 very interesting but our EP is Kristain Thinning? if im not mistaken Huns christian Anderson war an author.... i think all the Israeli Artists you have mentioned deserves credit and respect! But as mentiond. i think you forgot Chakra & Eddie Mis. these two guys rtought us one of the most beautiful album ever- The Promissed Land! 290147[/snapback] read:P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seraph Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 It's fine to talk about me btw my name is probably better known as Kristian Thinning but it's all fine I like to mention a few Scandinavian not listed names: Sweden: Robert Leiner aka The Source Experince. Robert has if any put Sweden on the trance map with his amazing releases on Belgian R&S Records. A true pioneer. I seriously doubt names like Son Kite and Atmos would have existed without Roberts amazing releases. Denmark: Orichalum The most deep psychedelic and quite progressive of the time band that have seen the light in Denmark. The true masters of flowing deep trippy tracks. Norway: Biosphere Amazing mysterious and dark ambient music created far north in Norway where the radars are found side by side with The Northern Light. To me it's the best ever ambient coming out of Scandinavia. Btw Kox Box was originally Frank E and Peter Candy. Later Ian joined and after a while Peter left Kox Box. 290121[/snapback] You are absolutely right about Leiner and Biosphere. I forgot about Orichalcum but they made one album only and few singles, right ? Can you tell me what happend to them back then and why they stopped making more music all of a sudden ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr papa Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 UK I think RAJA RAM deserves some credit too... He has certainly influenced the scene on different occasions, especially in the ambient end of the spectrum (Twelve, Infinity Project, Mystery of the Yeti, Eclipse, etc..). And TIP has brought us a remarkable number of classic trance-compilations on behalf of Raja over the years, including the Color- and -Nations-series, Stash Bag, Crystal Skulls and many more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Journey Man Project Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 The Overlords SFX/Astral Projection The Infinity Project Total Eclipse Transwave Electrice Universe Space Tribe Hallucinogen Sandman Oforia/Tandu/Pigs In Space X-Dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Logic Bomb, they had set the standard of modern melodic goa trance for years 290125[/snapback] Mediocre. And I can't recall any standards they have set. I don't have any suggestions other than those mentioned already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .::E.P Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 You are absolutely right about Leiner and Biosphere. I forgot about Orichalcum but they made one album only and few singles, right ? Can you tell me what happend to them back then and why they stopped making more music all of a sudden ? 290170[/snapback] Yes but what an Album I dont know much about what happened to them. I think they just went in each of their own direction and split up. Maybe DP know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .::E.P Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 very interesting but our EP is Kristain Thinning? if im not mistaken Huns christian Anderson war an author.... i think all the Israeli Artists you have mentioned deserves credit and respect! But as mentiond. i think you forgot Chakra & Eddie Mis. these two guys rtought us one of the most beautiful album ever- The Promissed Land! 290147[/snapback] Seraph was quite right to use Andersen. My full name is Kristian Thinning Andersen but at that time i mostly used Thinning even though I did release quite a lot of side projects under various names such as C. Anderson/K.Andersen etc. btw. It's Hans Christian Andersen or H.C.Andersen and not Huns Yes Chakra & Edi MIs made some unforgettable floor hits and classics. What's going on with Rami today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathPosture Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Yes but what an Album 290241[/snapback] Don't forget about the live-album which is still rocking... ;o) I dont know much about what happened to them. I think they just went in each of their own direction and split up. Maybe DP know? 290241[/snapback] Well, there was the Alienated CD released back in 2001... After that I don't really know what happened... Well, Michael Fernault Byzught is still active... Now under the Parvati Records wing: http://www.parvati-records.com/byzught.html Dunno what the rest of the guys are up to...? /DP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .::E.P Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Don't forget about the live-album which is still rocking... ;o) Well, there was the Alienated CD released back in 2001... After that I don't really know what happened... I never heard that live album...hmmm But I have seen them live a few times while playing with them and they sure rocked the floor. The Alienated CD was nice but IMO never really reached the same level of quality as orichalum did. All I need to say is Wicked Mille Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benf52 Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 cinos u r absolutely clueless.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 cinos u r absolutely clueless.... 290253[/snapback] Nope, Logic Bomb are just generic psy artists. Never made anything special... almost like Astrix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benf52 Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 omg... by saying that u show that u have no appreciation for good music... logic bomb has made some great tunes.. maybe it's not ur style, but u can't say its mediocre or generic... they have their own style and definitely brought smthg to this scene... maybe u should start making music, then u'll see what i am talking about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 omg... by saying that u show that u have no appreciation for good music... logic bomb has made some great tunes.. maybe it's not ur style, but u can't say its mediocre or generic... they have their own style and definitely brought smthg to this scene... maybe u should start making music, then u'll see what i am talking about... 290283[/snapback] They have nothing to distingusish themselves from the grey mass. Of course, maybe it's just your style, but you can't say they are something really special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alek Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Nope, Logic Bomb are just generic psy artists. Never made anything special... almost like Astrix. 290265[/snapback] Haha... i assume you try to provoke rather than think? There's difference in taste and then there's bullshit... I wouldn't know who else to mention. Apart from perhaps Texas Faggott who've been representing the Finnish spugadelia for a long time... and can still boogie down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Haha... i assume you try to provoke rather than think? There's difference in taste and then there's bullshit... 290288[/snapback] I AM trying to provoke ('tis why I present my arguments so aggreesively), but it's also my opinion. Logic Bomb are mediocre, and until you prove they have done something special I will keep that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .::E.P Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 omg... by saying that u show that u have no appreciation for good music... logic bomb has made some great tunes.. maybe it's not ur style, but u can't say its mediocre or generic... they have their own style and definitely brought smthg to this scene... maybe u should start making music, then u'll see what i am talking about... 290283[/snapback] Why is it so hard for you to accept that people have different taste? Now I dont agree with Cinos 100% but he have a right to think what he think just as you have a right to think what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Trap Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 I AM trying to provoke ('tis why I present my arguments so aggreesively), but it's also my opinion. Logic Bomb are mediocre, and until you prove they have done something special I will keep that. 290296[/snapback] Noone.y can prove that som1 has done something special because music and art are subjective and depend on taste significantly. Personally i havent listened a lot of Logic Bomb, but i wasnt really excited about the tracks i've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty Space Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Funny, Canada or the USA for that matter won't get mentioned... because there IS NO psy scene here! Just makes me laugh..... we're not a country of ground-breaking musicians, except for the odd one or two (Skinny Puppy, Frontline Assembly, Ritchie Hawtin, Rush, The Who, Voivoid, Neil Young, Leonard Cohen some of our more prominent artful musicians) And Kristian a psytrance producer?! Who'd've thought? You know what's kind of funny? I've never heard any of your tracks, Kris.... I just knew you made some classic psy albums, but I haven't gotten around to giving them a listen... It's not that I think bad of you or anything, I dunno I guess I ought to go listen to some of your stuff eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yantra Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 UK I think RAJA RAM deserves some credit too... He has certainly influenced the scene on different occasions, especially in the ambient end of the spectrum (Twelve, Infinity Project, Mystery of the Yeti, Eclipse, etc..). And TIP has brought us a remarkable number of classic trance-compilations on behalf of Raja over the years, including the Color- and -Nations-series, Stash Bag, Crystal Skulls and many more. 290174[/snapback] I don´t have any doubt that Raja Ram deserves some credit, but has a nowaday dj.... i really don´t know!! If anyone have seen his dj set, knows what im talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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